The Baha'i Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

This file contains extensive documentation of bahai censorship on AOL. Related material may also be found at Maneck

Subject: Re: URLs
Date: 12/1/2001 9:22 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011201102255.14937.00000202@mb-fr.aol.com>

>The question has arisen as to the use of URLs. It is perfectly okay to post a
>URL to a website on this board so long as the material on that website is in
>keeping with the Board purpose, along with TOS and community standards. If
>not, such a post may be removed.
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles
>

And as a bahai fundamentalist you define and decide what is in keeping with
the purpose of the board.... That's the problem in my opinion and that of many
other people now for years..... Under such a specious interpretation of AOL
TOS rules and the bahai writings, you may spam YOUR URL all over these bahai
message boards?

Is Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan, a real university
unlike the one you tutor at, going to have his website suppressed while yours
is allowed? AOL TOSGeneral and others should note Prof. Cole has widely
published on bahai censorship on and off the Internet, including a book with
Columbia University Press.

Further examples of Ms. Maneck's unfairness on AOL, with only her
fundamentalist website allowed:

>and as such should be investigated and
studied by scientists. (31 December
>1937, to an individual)
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>"My heart goes out to the Baha'is of Iran.
They have suffered
>>more at the hands of their countrymen than that cult in Waco."
>>
>>--Dan Quayle
>
>Rule,
>
>Did Quayle really say that?
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist.
I'd be very careful.
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
> >Terrorist cells around
>>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad.
>
>I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11.
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Community Leader concealing evidence of her abusing TOS rules
Date: 11/30/2001 6:38 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011130073827.09100.00000004@mb-mv.aol.com>

Shahid, Ms. Maneck, is removing messages of hers in which she spams her URL
all over AOL bahai messages boards while suppressing and TOSing fellow bahais
like myself who do not share her fundamentalist views.

I ask the TOSGeneral to please ask her to desist or replace her who someone
who can be a fair and impartial community leader.
Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Open Letter to TOSGeneral
Date: 11/30/2001 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011130084420.09100.00000016@mb-mv.aol.com>

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?
Date: 11/30/2001 8:16 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011130091605.09100.00000022@mb-mv.aol.com>

TOSGeneral:

Please find below yet another example of Ms. Maneck, Shahid, the bahai message
boards community leader, posting her own URL while TOSing anyone who posts
URLs to more liberal bahai sites.

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

>Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?
>Date: 9/9/2001 9:03 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Smaneck
>Message-id: <20010909220324.18255.00001516@mb-md.aol.com>
>
>
>>The apparent intention is indeed to suppress the Israeli newspaper report of
>>the uhj receiving "irregular tax breaks."
>>
>
>What those 'irregular tax breaks' are all about is the fact that Baha'is get
>a rebate of value added taxes as a religious organization.
>Big deal! I guess there are some members of the religious right who probably
>object to anyone but Orthodox Jews getting those. But if Fred can make it
>look like a case of corruption, you can be sure he will.
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Disagreements with TOS and/or community guidelines
Date: 12/1/2001 9:26 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011201102602.14937.00000203@mb-fr.aol.com>

>Subject: Disagreements with TOS and/or community guidelines
>Date: 12/1/2001 4:12 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: LDRS LFST Shahid
>Message-id: <20011201041245.02572.00000303@mb-dh.aol.com>
>
>
>
>Hey everyone :) I know that strong opinions abound, but please remember
>that the message boards are not the place to carry on personal arguments nor
>disagreements of TOS and/or community guidelines.
>
>The best sources of information for questions or disagreements with actions
>taken are LDRS LFST Mgr, TOSGeneral, or Keyword TOSQuestions.
>
>Thank you for understanding everyone :)
>
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles
>

You're making an utterly false appeareance here of fairness and
reasonableness. Anyone remotely familiar with your history of censorship and
coercion of conscience on AOL will not fail to recognize what you're really
doing here.

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress my posts re talk.religion.bahai?
Date: 12/1/2001 9:38 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011201103847.14937.00000205@mb-fr.aol.com>

Your suggestion here is completely bogus. I have not posted the same message.
Your distorting and misrepresenting my posts in order to suit your
fundamentalist motives and justify your wish to fraudulently TOS me. You're
obviously playing to the choir, the TOSGeneral in this case.

The repeated posting of your URL is okay, though, of course....

>Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress my posts re talk.religion.bahai?
>Date: 11/30/2001 1:08 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: LDRS LFST Shahid
>Message-id: <20011130010806.12953.00000033@mb-ch.aol.com>
>
>
>Dear friends,
>
>I would like to remind everyone that a given post should only be made once on
>this board within any thirty day period. Otherwise it constitutes spam and as
>such will be considered disruptive.
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles
>
>
>
>
>
>

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

The community leader regularly slanders me and allows others to as well. As a
bahai for over 25 years, my bahai ID card may be found on my website at The
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship

This is merely one more example of her not fairly fulfilling her AOL duties.

Frederick Glaysher

bahai message boards> Questions to Community Leaders> Proselytizing

>ubject: Re: Proselytizing
>Date: 12/12/2001 11:46 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Smaneck
>Message-id: <20011212114659.22386.00003182@mb-md.aol.com>
>
>
>>
>>When you, as a person who is not a Baha'i, come here and try to persuade
>>Baha'is to abandon their beliefs and join your religion you are
>>proselytizing.
>
>Dear Sunni,
>
>I don't think Fred can be said to have a religion. He has not promoted
>*anything* of a positive nature about his beliefs, he has only trashed the
>Baha'i Faith. Were he even to present an alternative Baha'i Faith here, we
>would have to accept that. After all, even Covenant breaking posts are
>permitted in this forum.
>
>What is confusing here, is that Fred continues to call himself a Baha'i
>although he is not a part of the Baha'i community or any alternative. Nor is
>he presenting any alternative vision which he calls Baha'i. And he would be
>free to do that here.
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

The Baha'i Technique

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During the last several years a number of observers have noted common
methods many fundamentalist Bahais use to avoid various issues or discredit
people who hold opinions other than their own:
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Dermod Ryder, September 19, 2001:
"And then Eureka! I realised why Fred gets the treatment he does . . .
for Fred has painstakingly not only assembled the evidence of the canker
within but he constantly publicises it to the extent that he really gets up
noses and AO noses at that! . . . I basically agree with him that the AO
terrorises people - terror is more than bombs or kamikaze aircraft. A
whispered aside in the right circumstances can instil terror (like a threat
to be made a CB) - most ethnic cleansing is carried out by a piece of
"good" advice to the effect that one would be better off NOT living in this
neighbourhood, from a gentleman who is known or assumed to have the
"right connections" to ensure the advice is heeded. Twenty years ago the
AO tried that particular threatening tactic on with me and were told where
they could stick it! Others can also testify to that including Dennis Rogers
whose experiences were posted on TRB recently. And you guys hate
Fred for this, for his continued exposing of the sewer that the AO has
become. Of course you all hate Juan, Alison, Michael, Nima etc as well
and for the same reason and give them the same treatment but somewhat
reduced for they don't post as much as Fred who is just a real pain in the
butt for doing what he does so well! Fred is an avid counter terrorist and
he's good at it as the whimpering from the BIGS proves!"

Mr Mahdi, November 14, 2000:
"The extremism of those who are trying to get Fred Glaysher off the Internet
is beyond any rational justification, for the simple fact that Fred does not
use any lewd or obscene language nor does he post irrelevant topics that are
not worthy of discussion. Bahais seem to be so obsessed at maintaining their
superficial "progressive" image that anything that exposes the . . .
hypocrisy of the bahai faith are suppressed and attacked, in order for the
bahais to keep deceiving people into thinking that these are unwarranted and
baseless attacks and accusations which hold no weight in reality."

Professor Juan Cole, University of Michigan, June 12, 1998:
"Let me ask you why in the world you think that I would risk my professional
reputation by publicly stating falsehoods? ...The very technique of the more
glaze-eyed among these people is to unbearably bully a Baha'i whom they
don't like, use unjustified threats of declaring him or her a CB [Covenant
Breaker (heretic)] to silence the individual, and if the person will not be
silenced, then to depend upon the gullibility of the Baha'is in refusing to
listen to any victim's story because, of course, the Baha'i institutions are
infallible and divinely guided and could never do anything wrong. It is a
perfect racket."
"Of course, this technique of making liberals go away has been enormously
successful, and ex-Baha'i liberals have no credibility with the remaining
Baha'is nor do most of them have any energy to continue to make a case,
either to the Baha'is or the outside world, for the incredible abuses that
go on inside this organization ostensibly committed to tolerance!"

Professor Juan Cole, February 23, 1999:
"There is nothing to be puzzled by. Right wing Baha'is only like to hear the
sound of their own voices (which are the only voices they will admit to
being "Baha'i" at all)."
"Obviously, the world is so constructed that they cannot in fact only hear
their own voices. They are forced to hear other voices that differ from
theirs. This most disturbs them when the voices come from enrolled Baha'isor
when the voices speak of the Baha'i faith."
"The way they sometimes deal with the enrolled Baha'is is to summon them to
a heresy inquiry and threaten them with being shunned if they do not fall
silent."
"With non-Baha'is or with ex-Baha'is, they deal with their speech about the
faith by backbiting, slandering and libelling the speaker. You will note
that since I've been on this list I have been accused of long-term heresy,
of "claiming authority," of out and out lying (though that was retracted,
twice), of misrepresentation, of 'playing fast and loose with the facts,'
and even of being 'delusional.' I have been accused of all these falsehoods
by *Baha'is*, by prominent Baha'is. I have been backbitten by them."
"This shows that all the talk about the danger a sharp tongue can do, all
the talk about the need for harmony, for returning poison with honey, for a
sin-covering eye, is just *talk* among right wing Baha'is. No one fights
dirtier than they when they discover a voice they cannot silence and cannot
refute."
"Paul Johnson has seen all these things, as well, for the past five years.
He can explain it to you."

Frederick Glaysher, May 12, 1992:
"The Baha'i Faith has become very oppressive and manipulative of the
individual. That to me is merely a statement of fact, as I have experienced
it, for nearly sixteen years now [since 1976]. The usual stratagem in
dealing with anyone who would express his conscience in good faith is to
pretend the Cause is above any kind of criticism whatsoever while intimating
that anyone who would speak honestly must have something wrong with him,
i.e., his spiritual life isn't what it should be, he doesn't understand the
nature of unity, or he's accused of trying to obtain power for himself,
which at times seems merely a calculated way of discrediting the person, and
so on. Another common strategy used to acquire control over the individual
is to humor the person by letting him pour himself out, etc., and then
self-righteously giving him the Truth."

Ron House, November 14, 1997:
"I know what you mean. I've found over the years that there is a technique
used by traditional Baha'is and others to squash dissension: harry the
dissenter so much he says something intemperate, then point out how 'loving'
and 'compassionate' they are and how nasty the dissenter is. The trouble is
that this technique works, so I've been making a conscious effort not to
fall for it. Also, when they get the dissenter discouraged and miserable
enough, he invariably makes a slip-up sooner or later that they can REALLY
let loose the venom over. IMHO, they did this to you when you misread
Sharon's intentions. At any other time, they would overlook faults, as
Baha'u'llah says, but when they're in this mode they go for the jugular.Very
sad."

Fran Baker, May 1998:
"Just have to say that in my experience this is a common technique of
manipulative people in general; it is especially effective with thoughtful
people who are willing to see both sides of things, i.e., their own fault. I
consider this brow-beating technique to be a form of abuse. The only way to
deal with it is to call them on it every time and to refuse to let yourself
be beat up, i.e., not to do your part of the "tango." This can be very hard
to do, but it works.You can break this pattern in a personal relationship. I
don't know whether it's possible when a groupacts this way. Very scary."

Frederick Glaysher, June 1998:
"Some of the most striking methods demonstrated repeatedly by many Bahais
during the last year and a half of discussion about an unmoderated newsgroup
is their refusal to listen and respond to the criticisms of those who are in
favor of talk.religion.bahai, ignoring their concerns, never responding
analytically to their messages and reasoning and logic and evidence,
attacking them through character assassination and ad hominem, ganging up on
individuals, and "circling the wagons" around every action of the srb
moderators or others who are opposed to talk.religion.bahai."

K. Paul Johnson, September 15, 1998:
"If that principle [people are innocent until proven guilty] were followed
by Baha'i administration and individuals in their condemnations of their
fellow believers, I would have very little to complain about regarding
Baha'i affairs. But character assassination by innuendo is the preferred way
of dealing with anything remotely resembling dissidence. Seems like that's
exactly what you're doing to Juan Cole in your message. Saying I don't want
to know what you've "got" on him, thus attacking me but insinuating you have
some awful proof of unspecified guilt on his part. If that's not character
assassination by innuendo, what is?"

Gibro28W, October 12, 1998:"In summary, the biggest problem, as I see it, is
that most Baha'is don't take criticism seriously--they tune it out as
"negative" or "harmful to spiritual growth." This selfish attitude is very
stupid. First of all, Baha'is entice people to join them. When they do, they
indoctrinate them until they think like the group. But as soon as a red
flare of doubt goes up in the convert's mind, they're cordoned off by the
group and reminded of their "spiritual" obligations in the name of
Baha'u'llah or the "Covenant." If left unresolved and doubt gives vent to
prolonged criticism, the convert is sent packing or is kicked out. What we
have here is a broken family that had failed to truly listen to the needs of
its members in the first
place.

David Langness, 31 Mar 1997:
"I would advise you to be careful about any meetings, calls or
correspondence
with Hoda Mahmoudi, who used to be an ABM here in Southern California. She
is quite conservative, and sees herself -- as do many of the appointed
branch, sadly -- as a staunch defender of the Faith and the faithful, able
and more than willing to marginalize people like you and I to discredit our
ideas. This cultlike practice of shunning and casting out any dissidents
has unfortunately become the chief tactic of those fundamentalist Baha'is
bent on maintaining the current leadership. My worry is that the more
progressive Baha'is like Juan Cole and Steve Scholl and yourself will all
leave the Faith and thereby increase the power of the conservatives."

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Cf. K. Paul Johnson's general reflections on coercive techniques

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The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck
Date: 12/19/2001 1:57 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: Smaneck
Message-id: <20011219015744.26000.00001315@mb-md.aol.com>

Well, well, Freddy, I see you've made an interesting bed-fellow with "Death
to Baha'is" Muslim militant, Mr. Madhi.

And you've been trying to persuade people your crusade is against
fundamentalism.

Try and keep the white powder off the board though, would you?
warmest, Susan

http://www.susanmaneck.com

Subj: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i
Date: 12/23/2001 3:30:51 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: LDRS LFST Shahid
To: Glaysh112001
CC: LDRS LFST Mgr, LDRS LFST Jerry

Dear Member,

Regarding your messages posted at: Baha'i Message Boards

To avoid further disruption to the message board, your posts have been
removed. Please review Keyword: Message Board Product Guidelines and Keyword:
Spirituality Message Board Standards for more information on what is
appropriate in our community.

Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted
to AOL's Community Action Team for further review.

Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot respond
to replies. Please address any questions or comments to LDRS LFST Mgr.

Regards,

LDRS LFST Shahid
Volunteer Message Board Host
AOL Lifestyles

Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL
Date: 12/19/2001 7:56 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011219085618.01592.00000009@mb-ch.aol.com>

Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, Ask the Staff goes around Maneck as well.

I urge everyone to realize it's difficult to get AOL's attention but it can be
done!!! Persist!

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
Subject: How to Report Maneck to AOL
Date: 12/10/2001 6:45 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011210074556.11242.00002825@mb-fi.aol.com>

Those tired of Maneck posting her URL should see the relevant thread at
Question to Community Leaders. Or call and complain at 800-827-6364.

Also Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, and then Ask the Staff, works well
too. It goes over Maneck's head, as I was told on the phone.

Incidentally, when you email the TOSGeneral it goes directly to Maneck, nobody
else, which is again why you have to go around her now if you're tired of her
manipulating TOS rules and employing her double standards on many fronts.

As a bahai for over 25 years, I'm very tired of her dishonest manipulation of
AOL and wish AOL would replace her with an honest person who fairly allows all
views to be heard.

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: When is it o.k. not to forgive some one.according to the
writings?
Date: 12/13/2001 6:04 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011213070458.26004.00000008@mb-md.aol.com>

>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Spam....

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL
Date: 12/13/2001 6:06 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011213070646.26004.00000011@mb-md.aol.com>

>Gee, that's news to me.
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

That's what I was told by AOL.

Still spamming your URL.....

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Sharing Knowledge
Date: 12/15/2001 7:02 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011215080235.12941.00000208@mb-cu.aol.com>

>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

NOT fair....

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL
Date: 12/19/2001 7:56 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011219085618.01592.00000009@mb-ch.aol.com>

Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, Ask the Staff goes around Maneck as well.

I urge everyone to realize it's difficult to get AOL's attention but it can be
done!!! Persist!

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL
Date: 12/19/2001 3:07 PM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011219160728.06255.00000146@mb-mq.aol.com>

We can also snail mail AOL with a complaint about Maneck's fundamentalist
double standard or whatever. Here's the address:

AOL Customer Service
PO Box 10810
Herdon, VA 20170

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Sticks and stones...a few lizard tails...some gizzards...and
dinner is ready!
Date: 12/10/2001 7:12 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011210081226.11242.00002830@mb-fi.aol.com>

>Gee, where can I get that clock?
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Please stop spamming your URL to AOL.

Those tired of Maneck's double standard in this regard should see my note at
Announcements.

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Sticks and stones...
Date: 12/10/2001 7:13 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011210081359.11242.00002831@mb-fi.aol.com>

>And even then, they must be doing this knowingly. As you know from your
>participation on TRB, there are at least
>three individuals lately that were engaging in the kind of activity I
>mentioned. But they were not declared Covenant breakers, rather they were
>removed from the rolls. Why? Because the Universal House of Justice
>determined they did not really meet the criteria of membership and hence were
>not wholly obligated to the provisions of the Covenant.
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com

Now here's a sample of the way in which Maneck SLANDERS people on AOL....

Note too her double standard URL.....

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Why brainwashed Baha'is don't trust Prof. Juan Cole anymore
Date: 12/11/2001 6:46 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011211074644.12731.00001739@mb-cu.aol.com>

>The truth.
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

The truth is you are violating TOS rules regularly by posting your
fundamentalist website URL while TOSing liberal-minded bahais like myself who
attempt to present the other side of various issues.

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Ahh---the Pain - the Pain
Date: 12/14/2001 11:30 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011214123002.29393.00000366@mb-ch.aol.com>

>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Double standard.

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: My URL
Date: 12/14/2001 11:35 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011214123526.29393.00000367@mb-ch.aol.com>

Anyone else tired of Shahid/Maneck's double standard?

The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

Call AOL and complain or use Keyword Notify AOL,
Message Boards, Ask the Staff.

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: My URL
Date: 12/15/2001 6:42 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011215074232.12941.00000199@mb-cu.aol.com>

>He does it so his post will be removed and then he can complain that he is
>being censored -- denied his freedom of speech. He will also claim the
>Baha'is are doing it to him -- he will not admit that he violated AOL TOS.
>

False. It's obvious to any honest person that Maneck is SPAMMING the message
boards with her URL while TOSing me and others.

She is in violation of the TOS rules which anyone may corroborate by calling
800-827-6364 or Notify AOL, Message Boards, Ask the Stafff.

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: My URL
Date: 12/15/2001 6:43 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011215074331.12941.00000200@mb-cu.aol.com>

>http://www.susanmaneck.com

There's nothing cute about shameless violation of the TOS rules.

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Sticks and stones...
Date: 12/15/2001 7:01 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011215080123.12941.00000207@mb-cu.aol.com>

>ttention from her. ;-}
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

TOS violation # 3,452....

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
Subject: Re: Sticks and stones...
Date: 12/15/2001 7:01 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011215080123.12941.00000207@mb-cu.aol.com>

>ttention from her. ;-}
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

TOS violation # 3,452....

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Posting URLs
Date: 12/20/2001 7:12 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011220081221.01511.00000315@mb-ch.aol.com>

>I would like to ask if it is considered spam if a hyperlink for a url is part
>of a signature line?
>

Not if it's her URL. Otherwise, it's definitely spam....

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Posting URLs
Date: 12/20/2001 7:14 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011220081456.01511.00000316@mb-ch.aol.com>

You're not citing AOL's policy on URLs. Attempting to justify spamming your
own?

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Posting URLs
Date: 12/21/2001 7:07 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011221080725.20183.00000391@mb-ba.aol.com>

>"We encourage members to provide hyperlinks in their posts where applicable,
>but please keep in mind that those websites must not violate AOL's Community
>Guidelines.

Post a link to that quotation. THAT is not what more than one AOL
representative told me on the phone. Further, your fundamentalist
interpretation of what is "appropriate" is not the same as AOL's but reveals
your manipulation of the TOS rules in service of your fanatical views.

You've been violating the TOS rules with impunity for years....

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Posting URLs
Date: 12/21/2001 7:07 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011221080725.20183.00000391@mb-ba.aol.com>

>"We encourage members to provide hyperlinks in their posts where applicable,
>but please keep in mind that those websites must not violate AOL's Community
>Guidelines.

Post a link to that quotation. THAT is not what more than one AOL
representative told me on the phone. Further, your fundamentalist
interpretation of what is "appropriate" is not the same as AOL's but reveals
your manipulation of the TOS rules in service of your fanatical views.

You've been violating the TOS rules with impunity for years....

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Proselytizing
Date: 12/13/2001 6:01 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011213070118.26004.00000007@mb-md.aol.com>

>that here.
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Right. Still double-standard spamming your URL, I see....

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: URLs
Date: 12/16/2001 9:22 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011216102219.12878.00000468@mb-cu.aol.com>

Deleting my message doesn't conceal the fact that you continue to suppress
URLs of a liberal disposition versus your fanatical opinions....

The "community leader" knows very well she is violating the TOS rules to her
advantage while suppressing URLs to any more liberal-minded bahai sites such
as mine. All I ask for is fairness from AOL and she is not capable of
providing it and has not now for years. I'm tired of it and ask that she be
treated accordingly or removed and replaced with someone who can be fair.

I've used Notify AOL, Message Boards, Ask the Staff many times to no avail.
The community leader in question, Shahid/Susan Maneck knows she can rely on
AOL not caring enough about an obscure religion board to do anything about
it. Please prove her wrong....

Thank you for your help.

Frederick Glaysher

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck
Date: 12/17/2001 6:16 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011217071635.05612.00000905@mb-fo.aol.com>

For insight into what is the result of the incessant censorship imposed on the
bahai message boards by Shahid/Maneck, see below:

---

>It may be Maneck and the fundamentalist bahais
>have a mole, in a sense, inside AOL who is protecting her/them, all the
>more reason to go around her....

That is one of the reasons why I have yet to call AOL and report to them what
goes on in the bahai message boards. I see calling them an exercise in
futility and unfortunately that made me skeptical into thinking calling will
do
any change.

It is also unfortunate that AOL does not have a system where members of AOL
can
vote for people whom they want to see moderate their message boards and other
forums. You, me, and many people for the past several years have been
harrassed by the coward bahai extremists. Recently, one of my messages was
removed by the fanatic Maneck using the anonymous handle "Shahid." "Shahid,"
aka Maneck refuses to use her real name when moderating posts, something that
the busta Mark Foster wouldn't even do (he as you know made it clear he was
the
moderator).

May you Fred or someone else here can find a way to convince AOL to have a
third party or a fair-minded person on AOL to investigate the matter and see
the double-standard and outright hypocrisy of the bahai extremist domination
of
bahai forums on AOL. Because with taking this course, complaining to AOL will
become something done in vain, unfortunately.

Mahdi Muhammad

---

Please do something to STOP the continual suppression of discussion here on
AOL by Susan Maneck.

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck
Date: 12/19/2001 7:47 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011219084739.01592.00000004@mb-ch.aol.com>

3rd message from Mahdi on what Maneck is doing on AOL:

>Forgive me for sound a bit pessimistic, but the I went through

"Forgive me for sounding a bit pessimistic, but the experience I went
through..." (I got a bad habit of not proofreading my posts!)

At any rate, I would like to add that I know that the fanatical behavior of
the
"forum leaders" on AOL bahai message boards has led to not only people
leaving,
but having suspended and cancelled accounts over messages that do not contain
profanity, slander, threats, spamming and so on. I have talked to people in
chat rooms on AOL about members have their accounts terminated over posts that
do not contain the above-mentioned things. Many of them thought I was lying
or
at least exaggerating because they thought it was too crazy to be true.

Thanks to the bahai extremist domination on AOL bahai message boards, even the
unbelievable has become a reality!

Mahdi Muhammad

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck
Date: 12/19/2001 7:47 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011219084700.01592.00000003@mb-ch.aol.com>

Another message reposted regarding Maneck's abuse of AOL:

>BASICALLY, hikmat as interpreted by Maneck means she may lie and deceive all
>she wants in "service" of the faith..... It's her modus operandi....

Yes, her fanatical interpretation of "hikmat" has made her into a wolf in
sheep's clothing. I that believe as a result, her and Mark Foster's bullying
on the bahai message boards has led to people to leave the message boards in
utter disgust of the double-standards and "good-ole' boy" system they got
going
on there where certain people have carte blanche while others (like me and
you)
do not.

You Fred have documented on your site instances of outright double-standards
employed by Foster and Maneck. I would like to ask you kindly to post in a
new
message to newsgroups and elsewhere the quotes of AOL members as well as
others
who complained and documented the double-standard and hypocrisy of Foster and
Maneck and their extremist supporters.

Forgive me for sound a bit pessimistic, but the I went through on the AOL
bahai
message boards have made me feel hopeless into thinking that fighting for
rights on AOL will do any good. Maybe if we constantly remind AOL staff by
either calling them or sending them emails about what goes on, then perhaps
there will be a chance that justice will prevail.

Hopefully something will be done and AOL will be heedful of our complaints and
warnings.

Mahdi Muhammad
Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck
Date: 12/19/2001 2:57 PM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011219155747.06255.00000143@mb-mq.aol.com>

Maneck and you are the ones spewing out hatred, slander, and distortions. Both
honest people among my fellow Bahais and non-Bahais of discernment
increasingly realize that fact.

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck
Date: 12/20/2001 7:02 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011220080242.01511.00000311@mb-ch.aol.com>

More smear and misrepresentations do not constitute addressing the issues of
YOUR spamming your URL here on AOL and elsewhere for that matter....

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck
Date: 12/20/2001 7:10 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011220081007.01511.00000314@mb-ch.aol.com>

>Mark Foster

Foster was almost as bad of a "leader" here as Maneck. AOL representatives
should look at my website under AOL Censorship for extensive documentation of
that fact....

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
From: "Brent Madison Reed" <brentmreed@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Susan, I found your long lost relatives/Maneck sends virus to
Baha'iAngst
Date: Thursday, December 27, 2001 1:54 PM

Miss Maneck:

It is difficult for me to believe what you have just stated. Except
for your private inquiries to me back in 1997 (to another email
address) we have had no direct contact. Why would you put my hotmail
email address in your address book? You have no reason to contact
someone that you have publicly referred to as a spiritual contagion.
Please give us a better excuse. This one isn't good enough.

It interesting too, that I received the virus immediately after
reporting you to AOL for a matter involving your censorship of one of
my postings. At that time you were very angry.

smaneck@aol.com (Susan Maneck ) wrote in message
news:<20011227053359.18585.00001902@mb-bk.aol.com>...
> >
> >
> >Maneck sends Baha'i Angst a virus:
> >
> >http://www.geocities.com/baahith/BackAgain.html
> >
> >
>
> Cute, Nima.
>
> While I did catch a virus (badtrans) which was then sent out to everyone in
my
> address book, I don't think it could possibly have infected your websites.
> Websites aren't in my address book.
> Susan Maneck
> Associate Professor of History
> Jackson State University
>
> "And we were gathered in one place, a generation lost in space, with no time
> left to start again . . "
> Don McLean's American Pie
> http://bahaistudies.net/susanmaneck/ From: "Mr Mahdi" <mrmahdi@aol.com>
Subject: Extremist Maneck violates AOL's TOS with impunity
Date: Friday, December 28, 2001 7:04 AM

Susan Maneck, the extremist bahai fanatic who is "in charge" of the bahai
message boards on AOL, continues to violate AOL's TOS by posting her URLs and
attacking other members such as me and friend with slanderous allegations and
snide remarks. Extremist Maneck has TOSed posts from me, Fred and others that
did not violate AOL's TOS rules. She is becoming a fascist dictator with her
"forum leader" title, suppressing those who do not toe her line of fanatical
viewpoints and agenda.

Maneck is just another example of what me, Fred Glaysher and others are
warning
about: extremist elements in the bahai faith that have been successful in
manipulating, deceiving ISPs such as AOL, acting with outright double-
standards
and harrassing non extremists and open-minded individuals on forums such as
message boards and chat rooms.

Please visit Fred's site to find extensive proof of Maneck's double-standards
and violation of TOS rules with absolute impunity.

Mahdi Muhammad Subject: Re: Mr. Mahdi's fibs won't be rewarded by Santa this
year.
Date: 12/29/2001 4:31 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: Mr Mahdi
Message-id: <20011229043107.07120.00001207@mb-dd.aol.com>

Greetings Fred,

>While I have no knowledge of whethering Mr. Mahdi ever said such a thing, I
>know I can not trust any claim made by the fundamentalists among my fellow
>bahais who regularly misrepresent and outright LIE about people in order to
>discredit them....

Of course, I never said what I have been accused of saying. I would like to
reiterate that the subject was about Islam's view of punishing apostates.
Later on, what I said was twisted and distorted as a smear campaign against
me. This continues to be the case to this very day.

The Quran says produce evidence if you are truthful. It is very interesting
to note that none of the allegations made against me is corroborated with
evidence. Susan has till this very day brought forth any evidence to support
her allegations.

I detest the slander against me, Fred and others who are being harrassed and
bullied here.

Mahdi Muhammad

From: Glayshf@aol.com[SMTP:Glayshf@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 6:18 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: fglaysher@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Board Posting at Baha'i Message Board

<<Message: Board Posting at Baha'i Message Board>>
AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among our fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

The bahai community leader is harassing me trying to suppress all knowledge
and discussion about the major lawsuit against the bahai faith recently filed
in New Mexico. Please ask him to desist.

This volunteer leader regularly abuses his position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom he and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to
fundamentalist sites and events....

A clear example of the way AOL is manipulated and freedom of speech and
conscience are regularly DAMAGED by AOL's indulgence.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/bahai/

----------
From: Glayshf@aol.com[SMTP:Glayshf@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 6:18 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: fglaysher@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Board Posting at Baha'i Message Board

<<Message: Board Posting at Baha'i Message Board>>
AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among our fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

The bahai community leader is harassing me trying to suppress all knowledge
and discussion about the major lawsuit against the bahai faith recently filed
in New Mexico. Please ask him to desist.

This volunteer leader regularly abuses his position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom he and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to
fundamentalist sites and events....

A clear example of the way AOL is manipulated and freedom of speech and
conscience are regularly DAMAGED by AOL's indulgence.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/bahai/

----------
From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:27 PM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com; TOSGen1@aol.com; fglaysher@home.com
Subject: Re: Violence as an instrument

<HTML>> >Terrorist cells around
>>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad.
>
>I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11.
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else
who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not
share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship

</HTML>
<HTML>Frederick Glaysher 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

----------
From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:46 PM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com; fglaysher@home.com
Subject: Re: Former Vice President speaks out

<HTML>>>"My heart goes out to the Baha'is of Iran.
They have suffered
>>more at the hands of their countrymen than that cult in Waco."
>>
>>--Dan Quayle
>
>Rule,
>
>Did Quayle really say that?
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else
who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not
share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship
</HTML>
<HTML>Frederick Glaysher 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

----------
From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:48 PM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com; fglaysher@home.com
Subject: Re: Former Vice President speaks out

<HTML>>His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist.
I'd be very careful.
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else
who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not
share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why she
is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship </HTML>
<HTML>Frederick Glaysher 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

----------
From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:52 PM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com; fglaysher@home.com
Subject: Re: Cloning Around

<HTML>>and as such should be investigated and studied
by scientists. (31 December
>1937, to an individual)
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else
who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not
share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why she
is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship
</HTML>
<HTML>Frederick Glaysher 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

----------
From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:01 PM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com; fglaysher@home.com
Subject: Re: Are you going to allow slander?

<HTML>>Subject: Re: Are you going to allow slander?
>Date: 9/6/2001 11:18 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: WScott1995
>Message-id: <20010907001831.20750.00000610@mb-fo.aol.com>
>
>
>Shahid,
>
>I don't need a document. Anyone who spends as much time as Fred does trying
>to make the Baha'i Faith and its members look bad can't be a Baha'i. It's
>really very simple, isn't it?
>
>Love and peace, Wendy ~~~{~{@
>R
>"There's only one race. The human race. You're either in or you're out."
>Lou Mattoni (Scott Bakula), Mean Streak
>

The community leader, Shahid, Ms. Maneck, is selectively permitting slander on
the bahai message boards.

</HTML>
<HTML>Frederick Glaysher 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

----------
From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:36 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: fglaysher@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Please remove posts.

<<Message: Re: Please remove posts.>>
AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm
It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

----------
From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:37 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: fglaysher@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Are you going to suppress my posts re talk.religion.bahai?

<<Message: Re: Are you going to suppress my pos...>>
AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm
It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

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From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:40 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: LDRSLFSTJerry@aol.com; fglaysher@home.com
Subject: Re: Board Posting at Baha'i

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

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From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:41 AM
To: fglaysher@home.com
Subject: Fwd: Please remove posts.

<<Message: Re: Please remove posts.>>
phone #

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From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:16 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com; fglaysher@home.com
Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?

<HTML>TOSGeneral:

Please find below yet another example of Ms. Maneck, Shahid, the bahai message
boards community leader, posting her own URL while TOSing anyone who posts
URLs to more liberal bahai sites.

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

>Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?
>Date: 9/9/2001 9:03 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Smaneck
>Message-id: <20010909220324.18255.00001516@mb-md.aol.com>
>
>
>>The apparent intention is indeed to suppress the Israeli newspaper report of
>>the uhj receiving "irregular tax breaks."
>>
>
>What those 'irregular tax breaks' are all about is the fact that Baha'is get
>a rebate of value added taxes as a religious organization.
>Big deal! I guess there are some members of the religious right who probably
>object to anyone but Orthodox Jews getting those. But if Fred can make it
>look like a case of corruption, you can be sure he will.
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

</HTML>
<HTML>Frederick Glaysher 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

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From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:26 AM
To: BenKucharski@aol.com
Cc: fglaysher@home.com
Subject: Bahai message boards, URL posted by community leader

Ben,

Nice talking with you and thank you for your help. Please find the message I
mentioned to you at the end, along several excerpts from messages that appear
all over the bahai message boards.

As I mentioned, I and others believe this volunteer leader regularly abuses
her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?
Date: 9/9/2001 9:03 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Smaneck
Message-id: <20010909220324.18255.00001516@mb-md.aol.com>

>The apparent intention is indeed to suppress the Israeli newspaper report of
>the uhj receiving "irregular tax breaks."
>

What those 'irregular tax breaks' are all about is the fact that Baha'is get
a rebate of value added taxes as a religious organization.
Big deal! I guess there are some members of the religious right who probably
object to anyone but Orthodox Jews getting those. But if Fred can make it
look like a case of corruption, you can be sure he will.
warmest, Susan

http://www.susanmaneck.com

--------------------
Further examples of Shahid or Ms. Maneck's unfairness on AOL scattered all
over the bahai message boards:

<HTML>>and as such should be investigated and
studied by scientists. (31 December
>1937, to an individual)
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
<A
HREF="http://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship">http://members.fortuneci
ty.com/bahaicensorship</A>

</HTML>
<HTML>Frederick Glaysher 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>
<HTML>>>"My heart goes out to the Baha'is of Iran.
They have suffered
>>more at the hands of their countrymen than that cult in Waco."
>>
>>--Dan Quayle
>
>Rule,
>
>Did Quayle really say that?
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
<A
HREF="http://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship">http://members.fortuneci
ty.com/bahaicensorship</A>
</HTML>
<HTML>Frederick Glaysher 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>
<HTML>>His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist.
I'd be very careful.
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
<A
HREF="http://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship">http://members.fortuneci
ty.com/bahaicensorship</A> </HTML>
<HTML>Frederick Glaysher 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>
<HTML>> >Terrorist cells around
>>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad.
>
>I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11.
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
<A
HREF="http://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship">http://members.fortuneci
ty.com/bahaicensorship</A>

</HTML>
<HTML>Frederick Glaysher 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

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From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 10:23 AM
To: BenKucharski@aol.com
Cc: fglaysher@hotmail.com
Subject: Fwd: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i

<<Message: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i>>
Subj: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i
Date: 12/1/2001 4:52:13 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:LDRS LFST Shahid">LDRS LFST Shahid</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:Glaysh112001">Glaysh112001</A>
CC: <A HREF="mailto:LDRS LFST Mgr">LDRS LFST Mgr</A>, <A HREF="mailto:LDRS
LFST Jerry">LDRS LFST Jerry</A>

Dear Member:

Regarding your messages posted at: Baha'i Message Boards>Question to the
Community Leader.

To avoid further disruption to the message board, your posts have been
removed. Please review Keyword: <A
HREF="aol://1722:messageboardproductguidelines/">Message Board Product
Guidelines</A> and Keyword:
<A HREF="aol://4344:619.Spirbord.3771563.658020749/">Spirituality Message
Board Standards</A> for more information on what is
appropriate in our community.

Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted
to AOL's Community Action Team for further review.

Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot respond
to replies. Please address any questions or comments to LDRS LFST Mgr.

Regards,

LDRS LFST Shahid
Volunteer Message Board Host
AOL Lifestyles

Subject: Re: URLs
Date: 12/1/2001 9:22 AM Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:Glaysh112001/">Glaysh112001</A>
Message-id: <20011201102255.14937.00000202@mb-fr.aol.com>

>The question has arisen as to the use of URLs. It is perfectly okay to post a
>URL to a website on this board so long as the material on that website is in
>keeping with the Board purpose, along with TOS and community standards. If
>not, such a post may be removed.
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles
>

And as a bahai fundamentalist you define and decide what is in keeping with
the purpose of the board.... That's the problem in my opinion and that of
many other people now for years..... Under such a specious interpretation of
AOL TOS rules and the bahai writings, you may spam YOUR URL all over these
bahai message boards?

Is Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan, a real university
unlike the one you tutor at, going to have his website suppressed while yours
is allowed? AOL TOSGeneral and others should note Prof. Cole has widely
published on bahai censorship on and off the Internet, including a book with
Columbia University Press.

Further examples of Ms. Maneck's unfairness on AOL, with only her
fundamentalist website allowed:

>and as such should be investigated and
studied by scientists. (31 December
>1937, to an individual)
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
><A HREF="http://www.susanmaneck.com/">http://www.susanmaneck.com</A>
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>"My heart goes out to the Baha'is of Iran.
They have suffered
>>more at the hands of their countrymen than that cult in Waco."
>>
>>--Dan Quayle
>
>Rule,
>
>Did Quayle really say that?
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
><A HREF="http://www.susanmaneck.com/">http://www.susanmaneck.com</A>
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist.
I'd be very careful.
>warmest, Susan
>
><A HREF="http://www.susanmaneck.com/">http://www.susanmaneck.com</A>
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
> >Terrorist cells around
>>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad.
>
>I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11.
>
>warmest, Susan
>
><A HREF="http://www.susanmaneck.com/">http://www.susanmaneck.com</A>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Community Leader concealing evidence of her abusing TOS rules
Date: 11/30/2001 6:38 AM Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:Glaysh112001/">Glaysh112001</A>
Message-id: <20011130073827.09100.00000004@mb-mv.aol.com>

Shahid, Ms. Maneck, is removing messages of hers in which she spams her URL
all over AOL bahai messages boards while suppressing and TOSing fellow bahais
like myself who do not share her fundamentalist views.

I ask the TOSGeneral to please ask her to desist or replace her who someone
who can be a fair and impartial community leader.
Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Open Letter to TOSGeneral
Date: 11/30/2001 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:Glaysh112001/">Glaysh112001</A>
Message-id: <20011130084420.09100.00000016@mb-mv.aol.com>

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
<A HREF="http://www-
personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm">http://www-
personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm</A>

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?
Date: 11/30/2001 8:16 AM Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:Glaysh112001/">Glaysh112001</A>
Message-id: <20011130091605.09100.00000022@mb-mv.aol.com>

TOSGeneral:

Please find below yet another example of Ms. Maneck, Shahid, the bahai
message boards community leader, posting her own URL while TOSing anyone who
posts URLs to more liberal bahai sites.

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
<A HREF="http://www-
personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm">http://www-
personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm</A>

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

>Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?
>Date: 9/9/2001 9:03 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Smaneck
>Message-id: <20010909220324.18255.00001516@mb-md.aol.com>
>
>
>>The apparent intention is indeed to suppress the Israeli newspaper report of
>>the uhj receiving "irregular tax breaks."
>>
>
>What those 'irregular tax breaks' are all about is the fact that Baha'is get
>a rebate of value added taxes as a religious organization.
>Big deal! I guess there are some members of the religious right who probably
>object to anyone but Orthodox Jews getting those. But if Fred can make it
>look like a case of corruption, you can be sure he will.
>warmest, Susan
>
><A HREF="http://www.susanmaneck.com/">http://www.susanmaneck.com</A>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Disagreements with TOS and/or community guidelines
Date: 12/1/2001 9:26 AM Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:Glaysh112001/">Glaysh112001</A>
Message-id: <20011201102602.14937.00000203@mb-fr.aol.com>

>Subject: Disagreements with TOS and/or community guidelines
>Date: 12/1/2001 4:12 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: LDRS LFST Shahid
>Message-id: <20011201041245.02572.00000303@mb-dh.aol.com>
>
>
>
>Hey everyone :) I know that strong opinions abound, but please remember
>that the message boards are not the place to carry on personal arguments nor
>disagreements of TOS and/or community guidelines.
>
>The best sources of information for questions or disagreements with actions
>taken are LDRS LFST Mgr, TOSGeneral, or Keyword TOSQuestions.
>
>Thank you for understanding everyone :)
>
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles
>

You're making an utterly false appeareance here of fairness and
reasonableness. Anyone remotely familiar with your history of censorship and
coercion of conscience on AOL will not fail to recognize what you're really
doing here.

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress my posts re talk.religion.bahai?
Date: 12/1/2001 9:38 AM Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:Glaysh112001/">Glaysh112001</A>
Message-id: <20011201103847.14937.00000205@mb-fr.aol.com>

Your suggestion here is completely bogus. I have not posted the same message.
Your distorting and misrepresenting my posts in order to suit your
fundamentalist motives and justify your wish to fraudulently TOS me. You're
obviously playing to the choir, the TOSGeneral in this case.

The repeated posting of your URL is okay, though, of course....

>Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress my posts re talk.religion.bahai?
>Date: 11/30/2001 1:08 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: LDRS LFST Shahid
>Message-id: <20011130010806.12953.00000033@mb-ch.aol.com>
>
>
>Dear friends,
>
>I would like to remind everyone that a given post should only be made once on
>this board within any thirty day period. Otherwise it constitutes spam and as
>such will be considered disruptive.
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles
>
>
>
>
>
>

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

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From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 10:26 AM
To: fglaysher@hotmail.com
Subject: Fwd: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i

<<Message: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i>>
not the message I had posted; I had deleted URLs to my website

----------
From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 10:48 AM
To: benkucharski@aol.com; fglaysher@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: The hypocrisy of Shahid's censorship

<HTML>Rule,

As a bahai for more than 25 years, I couldn't agree more with your analysis of
the way things stand in the bahai faith and here on AOL. Thanks for your
courage and persistence under severe conditions....

Fred

>Subject: The hypocrisy of Shahid's censorship
>Date: 12/2/2001 12:36 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Ruletherod
>Message-id: <20011202003621.16383.00000295@mb-ma.aol.com>
>
>
>Subject: Hate Speech
>Date: 12/1/2001 4:57 PM
>From: LDRS LFST Shahid
>
>
>
>Dear Members,
>
>Please keep in mind that this board is dedicated to discussion of the Baha'i
>Faith. We should avoid making derogatory comments about other religions here.
>Also, keep in mind that postings which contain hate speech and urge violence
>are not acceptable in any area of the service.
>
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles
>
>
> This is just plain old-fashioned censorship; you're overreacting
>again. You're trying to impose a sugarcoated world here in the name of
>the Baha'i Faith. Everything has to be politically correct!
>
> I think all of the derogatory talk about "covenant-breakers" being a
>"spiritual-illness" and the like is hate speech...but Baha'is have their
>double-standards about all this.
>
> The Taliban and the tyrants in Iran have one thing in common
>with Baha'is: censorship -- the suppression of free speech. As long
>as this happens, the world will reject the Baha'i Faith the way it has
>Fascism.
>
> What have you learned from the past, Shahid?
>You certainly know nothing about McCarthyism.
>
>--Rule
>
</HTML>
<HTML>Frederick Glaysher 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

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From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 5:16 PM
To: fglaysher@home.com
Cc: LDRSLFSTMgr@aol.com; LDRSLFSTJerry@aol.com
Subject: Re: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i

I believe LDRS LFST Shahid the community leader of the bahai message boards
is either TOSing me a second for the very same message or has changed the
second message I posted under Questions to Community Leaders in which I had
deleted the link to my website. Please consult my original posts to determine
whether she has added my links back in and then passed it off to you as my
message in order to re-TOS me.

Thank you.

Fred Glaysher

Subj: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i
Date: 12/1/2001 5:24:30 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: LDRS LFST Shahid
To: Glaysh112001
CC: LDRS LFST Mgr, LDRS LFST Jerry

Dear Member:

Regarding your messages posted at: Baha'i Message Boards>General Discussion

To avoid further disruption to the message board, your posts have been
removed. Please review Keyword: Message Board Product Guidelines and Keyword:
Spirituality Message Board Standards for more information on what is
appropriate in our community.

Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted
to AOL's Community Action Team for further review.

Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot respond
to replies. Please address any questions or comments to LDRS LFST Mgr.

Regards,

LDRS LFST Shahid
Volunteer Message Board Host
AOL Lifestyles

Subject: Re: NM Lawsuit - Summary of Hearing to Dismiss
Date: 11/28/2001 11:23 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011128122319.22507.00003580@mb-cg.aol.com>

>>New Mexico LAWSUIT against bahai institutions for FRAUD & LIBEL
>
>Oh, you mean that case that got thrown out of court!
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do
not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship

Subject: Re: Violence as an instrument
Date: 11/28/2001 11:27 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011128122703.22507.00003583@mb-cg.aol.com>

> >Terrorist cells around
>>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad.
>
>I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11.
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do
not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship

Subject: Re: Former Vice President speaks out
Date: 11/28/2001 11:46 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011128124622.13024.00002523@mb-mg.aol.com>

>>"My heart goes out to the Baha'is of Iran. They have suffered
>>more at the hands of their countrymen than that cult in Waco."
>>
>>--Dan Quayle
>
>Rule,
>
>Did Quayle really say that?
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do
not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Former Vice President speaks out
Date: 11/28/2001 11:48 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011128124832.13024.00002526@mb-mg.aol.com>

>His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist. I'd be very careful.
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do
not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why she
is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship
Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

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From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 8:35 AM
To: Cat@aol.com; BenKucharski@aol.com
Cc: fglaysher@hotmail.com
Subject: Community Leader on Bahai message boards posts her URL

bahai message boards>Question to the Community Leaders

>Subject: URLs
>Date: 12/1/2001 4:15 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: LDRS LFST Shahid
>Message-id: <20011201041527.02572.00000304@mb-dh.aol.com>
>
>
>Dear Members,
>
>The question has arisen as to the use of t URLs. Iis perfectly okay to post a
>URL to a website on this board so long as the material on that website is in
>keeping with the Board purpose, along with TOS and community standards. If
>not, such a post may be removed.
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles

I'm emailing Ben Kucharski and the Community Action Team because it's proving
impossible to get the attention of anyone at AOL other than your form
responses from the TOSGeneral that refer me back to the community leader, WHO
IS THE PROBLEM and IS UNFAIRLY MANIPULATING TOS RULES!!!

The community leader of the bahai message boards, Shahid or Susan Maneck, is
regularly TOSing more liberal-minded people for posting URLs while posting
dozens of copies of her URL to her own fundamentalist website.

As I mentioned, I and other liberal-minded bahais believe this volunteer
leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence and attack people
with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow Bahais
disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

I'm only asking for fairness! IF we shouldn't post URLs, neither should she!
She has now turned it into a "policy" permitting her to judge what is in
"keeping with the Board purpose" while suppressing anyone who disagrees with
her. See all of the examples below, scattered all over the bahai message
boards.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?
Date: 9/9/2001 9:03 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Smaneck
Message-id: <20010909220324.18255.00001516@mb-md.aol.com>

>The apparent intention is indeed to suppress the Israeli newspaper report of
>the uhj receiving "irregular tax breaks."
>

What those 'irregular tax breaks' are all about is the fact that Baha'is get
a rebate of value added taxes as a religious organization.
Big deal! I guess there are some members of the religious right who probably
object to anyone but Orthodox Jews getting those. But if Fred can make it
look like a case of corruption, you can be sure he will.
warmest, Susan

http://www.susanmaneck.com

--------------------
Further examples of Shahid or Ms. Maneck's unfairness on AOL scattered all
over the bahai message boards:

<HTML>>and as such should be investigated and
studied by scientists. (31 December
>1937, to an individual)
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
<A
HREF="http://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship">http://members.fortuneci
ty.com/bahaicensorship</A>

</HTML>
<HTML>Frederick Glaysher 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>
<HTML>>>"My heart goes out to the Baha'is of Iran.
They have suffered
>>more at the hands of their countrymen than that cult in Waco."
>>
>>--Dan Quayle
>
>Rule,
>
>Did Quayle really say that?
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
<A
HREF="http://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship">http://members.fortuneci
ty.com/bahaicensorship</A>
</HTML>
<HTML>Frederick Glaysher 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>
<HTML>>His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist.
I'd be very careful.
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
<A
HREF="http://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship">http://members.fortuneci
ty.com/bahaicensorship</A> </HTML>
<HTML>Frederick Glaysher 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>
<HTML>> >Terrorist cells around
>>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad.
>
>I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11.
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com

Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her
position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone
else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who
do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
<A
HREF="http://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship">http://members.fortuneci
ty.com/bahaicensorship</A>

</HTML>
<HTML>Frederick Glaysher 
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

----------
From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:32 AM
To: fglaysher@hotmail.com; CAT@aol.com; benkucharski@aol.com
Subject: Re: URLs

<HTML>>Subject: URLs
>Date: 12/1/2001 4:15 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: LDRS LFST Shahid
>Message-id: <20011201041527.02572.00000304@mb-dh.aol.com>
>
>
>Dear Members,
>
>The question has arisen as to the use of URLs. It is perfectly okay to post a
>URL to a website on this board so long as the material on that website is in
>keeping with the Board purpose, along with TOS and community standards. If
>not, such a post may be removed.
>LDRS LFST Shahid
>AOL Lifestyles

THAT'S not what AOL's TOS rules state, which prohibit, apparently, ALL URLs.
There's no codicil on yours, i.e., Susan Maneck.

Most normal people would call this a double standards. See below. Many other
examples exist all over the bahai message boards.

-------

like a case of corruption, you can be sure he will.
warmest, Susan

http://www.susanmaneck.com

--------------------

>1937, to an individual)
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com

>Did Quayle really say that?
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>
I'd be very careful.
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>
11.
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
</HTML>
<HTML>Frederick Glaysher 
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

----------
From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 7:11 AM
To: fglaysher@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Proselytizing

<HTML>Your usual slander, clear and simply....

>ubject: Re: Proselytizing
>Date: 12/12/2001 11:46 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: Smaneck
>Message-id: <20011212114659.22386.00003182@mb-md.aol.com>
>
>
>>
>>When you, as a person who is not a Baha'i, come here and try to persuade
>>Baha'is to abandon their beliefs and join your religion you are
>>proselytizing.
>
>Dear Sunni,
>
>I don't think Fred can be said to have a religion. He has not promoted
>*anything* of a positive nature about his beliefs, he has only trashed the
>Baha'i Faith. Were he even to present an alternative Baha'i Faith here, we
>would have to accept that. After all, even Covenant breaking posts are
>permitted in this forum.
>
>What is confusing here, is that Fred continues to call himself a Baha'i
>although he is not a part of the Baha'i community or any alternative. Nor is
>he presenting any alternative vision which he calls Baha'i. And he would be
>free to do that here.
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

</HTML>
<HTML>Frederick Glaysher 
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience</HTML>

----------
From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 8:12 AM
To: BenKucharski@aol.com
Cc: fglaysher@hotmail.com
Subject: (no subject)

Ben,

Contacting AOL like sending an email into the blankness of the universe.

So here goes again:

Please look at the 9 message thread at bahai message boards > General
Discussion > My URL

The "community leader" knows very well she is violating the TOS rules to her
advantage while suppressing URLs to any more liberal-minded bahai sites such
as mine. All I ask for is fairness from AOL and she is not capable of
providing it and has not now for years. I'm tired of it and ask that she be
treated accordingly or removed and replaced with someone who can be fair.

I've used Notify AOL, Message Boards, Ask the Staff many times to no avail.
The community leader in question, Shahid/Susan Maneck knows she can rely on
AOL not caring enough about an obscure religion board to do anything about
it. Please prove her wrong....

Thank you for your help.

Frederick Glaysher
glaysh112001

----------
From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 9:39 AM
To: SteveCase@aol.com
Cc: Glaysh112001@aol.com; fglaysher@home.com
Subject: Bahai Message Board Community Leade

The Baha'i Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

This file contains extensive documentation of bahai censorship on AOL. Related material may also be found at Maneck

Subject: Re: URLs Date: 12/1/2001 9:22 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011201102255.14937.00000202@mb-fr.aol.com>

Further examples of Ms. Maneck's unfairness on AOL, with only her fundamentalist website allowed:

>and as such should be investigated and studied by scientists. (31 December >1937, to an individual) > > >warmest, Susan > >http://www.susanmaneck.com >

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Frederick Glaysher Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist. I'd be very careful. >warmest, Susan > >http://www.susanmaneck.com >

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Thank you.

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.

Thank you.

Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Frederick Glaysher Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Community Leader concealing evidence of her abusing TOS rules Date: 11/30/2001 6:38 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011130073827.09100.00000004@mb-mv.aol.com>

Shahid, Ms. Maneck, is removing messages of hers in which she spams her URL all over AOL bahai messages boards while suppressing and TOSing fellow bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist views.

I ask the TOSGeneral to please ask her to desist or replace her who someone who can be a fair and impartial community leader. Frederick Glaysher Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Open Letter to TOSGeneral Date: 11/30/2001 7:44 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011130084420.09100.00000016@mb-mv.aol.com>

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself, and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan, discusses related issues in his journal article "The Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997": http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to fundamentalist sites and events....

Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Frederick Glaysher Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"? Date: 11/30/2001 8:16 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011130091605.09100.00000022@mb-mv.aol.com>

TOSGeneral:

Please find below yet another example of Ms. Maneck, Shahid, the bahai message boards community leader, posting her own URL while TOSing anyone who posts URLs to more liberal bahai sites.

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself, and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan, discusses related issues in his journal article "The Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997": http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to fundamentalist sites and events....

Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Frederick Glaysher Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Frederick Glaysher Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Disagreements with TOS and/or community guidelines Date: 12/1/2001 9:26 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011201102602.14937.00000203@mb-fr.aol.com>

You're making an utterly false appeareance here of fairness and reasonableness. Anyone remotely familiar with your history of censorship and coercion of conscience on AOL will not fail to recognize what you're really doing here.

Frederick Glaysher Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress my posts re talk.religion.bahai? Date: 12/1/2001 9:38 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011201103847.14937.00000205@mb-fr.aol.com>

Your suggestion here is completely bogus. I have not posted the same message. Your distorting and misrepresenting my posts in order to suit your fundamentalist motives and justify your wish to fraudulently TOS me. You're obviously playing to the choir, the TOSGeneral in this case.

The repeated posting of your URL is okay, though, of course....

Frederick Glaysher Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

The community leader regularly slanders me and allows others to as well. As a bahai for over 25 years, my bahai ID card may be found on my website at The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience http://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship

This is merely one more example of her not fairly fulfilling her AOL duties.

Frederick Glaysher

bahai message boards> Questions to Community Leaders> Proselytizing

The Baha'i Technique

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Cf. K. Paul Johnson's general reflections on coercive techniques

-------------------------------------------------------------------- This document at

-- The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck Date: 12/19/2001 1:57 AM Eastern Standard Time From: Smaneck Message-id: <20011219015744.26000.00001315@mb-md.aol.com>

Well, well, Freddy, I see you've made an interesting bed-fellow with "Death to Baha'is" Muslim militant, Mr. Madhi.

And you've been trying to persuade people your crusade is against fundamentalism.

Try and keep the white powder off the board though, would you? warmest, Susan

http://www.susanmaneck.com

Subj: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i Date: 12/23/2001 3:30:51 AM Eastern Standard Time From: LDRS LFST Shahid To: Glaysh112001 CC: LDRS LFST Mgr, LDRS LFST Jerry

Dear Member,

Regarding your messages posted at: Baha'i Message Boards

To avoid further disruption to the message board, your posts have been removed. Please review Keyword: Message Board Product Guidelines and Keyword: Spirituality Message Board Standards for more information on what is appropriate in our community.

Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review.

Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot respond to replies. Please address any questions or comments to LDRS LFST Mgr.

Regards,

LDRS LFST Shahid Volunteer Message Board Host AOL Lifestyles

Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL Date: 12/19/2001 7:56 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011219085618.01592.00000009@mb-ch.aol.com>

Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, Ask the Staff goes around Maneck as well.

I urge everyone to realize it's difficult to get AOL's attention but it can be done!!! Persist!

Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: How to Report Maneck to AOL Date: 12/10/2001 6:45 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011210074556.11242.00002825@mb-fi.aol.com>

Those tired of Maneck posting her URL should see the relevant thread at Question to Community Leaders. Or call and complain at 800-827-6364.

Also Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, and then Ask the Staff, works well too. It goes over Maneck's head, as I was told on the phone.

Incidentally, when you email the TOSGeneral it goes directly to Maneck, nobody else, which is again why you have to go around her now if you're tired of her manipulating TOS rules and employing her double standards on many fronts.

As a bahai for over 25 years, I'm very tired of her dishonest manipulation of AOL and wish AOL would replace her with an honest person who fairly allows all views to be heard.

Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: When is it o.k. not to forgive some one.according to the writings? Date: 12/13/2001 6:04 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011213070458.26004.00000008@mb-md.aol.com>

>warmest, Susan > >http://www.susanmaneck.com >

Subject: Re: URLs
Date: 12/1/2001 9:22 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011201102255.14937.00000202@mb-fr.aol.com>

Further examples of Ms. Maneck's unfairness on AOL, with only her
fundamentalist website allowed:

>and as such should be investigated and
studied by scientists. (31 December
>1937, to an individual)
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist.
I'd be very careful.
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example.
Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why
she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not.

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Community Leader concealing evidence of her abusing TOS rules
Date: 11/30/2001 6:38 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011130073827.09100.00000004@mb-mv.aol.com>

Shahid, Ms. Maneck, is removing messages of hers in which she spams her URL
all over AOL bahai messages boards while suppressing and TOSing fellow bahais
like myself who do not share her fundamentalist views.

I ask the TOSGeneral to please ask her to desist or replace her who someone
who can be a fair and impartial community leader.
Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Open Letter to TOSGeneral
Date: 11/30/2001 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011130084420.09100.00000016@mb-mv.aol.com>

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"?
Date: 11/30/2001 8:16 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011130091605.09100.00000022@mb-mv.aol.com>

Please find below yet another example of Ms. Maneck, Shahid, the bahai message
boards community leader, posting her own URL while TOSing anyone who posts
URLs to more liberal bahai sites.

This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence
and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my
fellow Bahais disagree.

AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to
run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING....

Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic
constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself,
and non-Bahais on AOL....

Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan,
discusses related issues in his journal article "The
Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997":
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm

It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved
with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from
people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links
to fundamentalist sites and events....

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Disagreements with TOS and/or community guidelines
Date: 12/1/2001 9:26 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011201102602.14937.00000203@mb-fr.aol.com>

You're making an utterly false appeareance here of fairness and
reasonableness. Anyone remotely familiar with your history of censorship and
coercion of conscience on AOL will not fail to recognize what you're really
doing here.

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress my posts re talk.religion.bahai?
Date: 12/1/2001 9:38 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011201103847.14937.00000205@mb-fr.aol.com>

Your suggestion here is completely bogus. I have not posted the same message.
Your distorting and misrepresenting my posts in order to suit your
fundamentalist motives and justify your wish to fraudulently TOS me. You're
obviously playing to the choir, the TOSGeneral in this case.

Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

The community leader regularly slanders me and allows others to as well. As a
bahai for over 25 years, my bahai ID card may be found on my website at The
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship

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Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck
Date: 12/19/2001 1:57 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: Smaneck
Message-id: <20011219015744.26000.00001315@mb-md.aol.com>

Well, well, Freddy, I see you've made an interesting bed-fellow with "Death
to Baha'is" Muslim militant, Mr. Madhi.

And you've been trying to persuade people your crusade is against
fundamentalism.

Try and keep the white powder off the board though, would you?
warmest, Susan

Subj: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i
Date: 12/23/2001 3:30:51 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: LDRS LFST Shahid
To: Glaysh112001
CC: LDRS LFST Mgr, LDRS LFST Jerry

To avoid further disruption to the message board, your posts have been
removed. Please review Keyword: Message Board Product Guidelines and Keyword:
Spirituality Message Board Standards for more information on what is
appropriate in our community.

Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted
to AOL's Community Action Team for further review.

Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot respond
to replies. Please address any questions or comments to LDRS LFST Mgr.

LDRS LFST Shahid
Volunteer Message Board Host
AOL Lifestyles

Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL
Date: 12/19/2001 7:56 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011219085618.01592.00000009@mb-ch.aol.com>

I urge everyone to realize it's difficult to get AOL's attention but it can be
done!!! Persist!

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
Subject: How to Report Maneck to AOL
Date: 12/10/2001 6:45 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011210074556.11242.00002825@mb-fi.aol.com>

Those tired of Maneck posting her URL should see the relevant thread at
Question to Community Leaders. Or call and complain at 800-827-6364.

Also Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, and then Ask the Staff, works well
too. It goes over Maneck's head, as I was told on the phone.

Incidentally, when you email the TOSGeneral it goes directly to Maneck, nobody
else, which is again why you have to go around her now if you're tired of her
manipulating TOS rules and employing her double standards on many fronts.

As a bahai for over 25 years, I'm very tired of her dishonest manipulation of
AOL and wish AOL would replace her with an honest person who fairly allows all
views to be heard.

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: When is it o.k. not to forgive some one.according to the
writings?
Date: 12/13/2001 6:04 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011213070458.26004.00000008@mb-md.aol.com>

>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL
Date: 12/13/2001 6:06 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011213070646.26004.00000011@mb-md.aol.com>

>Gee, that's news to me.
>
>
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Sharing Knowledge
Date: 12/15/2001 7:02 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011215080235.12941.00000208@mb-cu.aol.com>

>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL
Date: 12/19/2001 7:56 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011219085618.01592.00000009@mb-ch.aol.com>

I urge everyone to realize it's difficult to get AOL's attention but it can be
done!!! Persist!

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL
Date: 12/19/2001 3:07 PM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011219160728.06255.00000146@mb-mq.aol.com>

We can also snail mail AOL with a complaint about Maneck's fundamentalist
double standard or whatever. Here's the address:

AOL Customer Service
PO Box 10810
Herdon, VA 20170

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Sticks and stones...a few lizard tails...some gizzards...and
dinner is ready!
Date: 12/10/2001 7:12 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011210081226.11242.00002830@mb-fi.aol.com>

>Gee, where can I get that clock?
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>

Those tired of Maneck's double standard in this regard should see my note at
Announcements.

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Sticks and stones...
Date: 12/10/2001 7:13 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011210081359.11242.00002831@mb-fi.aol.com>

Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience

Subject: Re: Why brainwashed Baha'is don't trust Prof. Juan Cole anymore
Date: 12/11/2001 6:46 AM Central Standard Time
From: Glaysh112001
Message-id: <20011211074644.12731.00001739@mb-cu.aol.com>

>The truth.
>warmest, Susan
>
>http://www.susanmaneck.com
>