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From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: Maneck's AOL slander of me, trb, Juan Cole, etc....
More than a year ago I asked Susan Maneck for a copy of her article
"Wisdom and Dissimulation: The Use and Meaning of Hikmat in the
Bahá'í Writings and History" after hearing of it on the mailing
list
talisman.
She immediately emailed me a copy, with kind words, which led to
some
fruitful discussion on talisman about Bahai "hikmat" or
dissembling and
deceiving non-Bahais when it's convenient to do so....
As a result of her sharing it with me, her then having been so
cordial,
most scholars wishing their work to receive wider circulation, it never
occurred to me that she would have been opposed to my putting it on
my web site, on the soc.religion.bahai censorship page, especially
since I knew it was posted for all the world to read on Juan Cole's
web site at
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bhscholr.htm
I will replace the article with the above link to it. It will be
interesting
to
see whether the article, which reveals the extent of the calculation
with which Bahais have deceived others, will soon "disappear"
from
there too....
Let me say for the non-Bahai, especially the news.groupie, that
Susan Maneck herself has proven quite adept at employing "hikmat"
in attacking talk.religion.bahai and personally me. I believe the
present efforts by her and others is damage control in advance
should her call for a NO vote prove effective. I ask you to consider
carefully the observations of K. Paul Johnson in a message currently
on alt.religion.bahai:
>It seems to me that part of what Fred calls "the Baha'i
>technique" is in fact far broader. It's the technique of
all
>defenders of some religious orthodoxy or another in response to
>criticism of their beliefs or organization. And you're engaging
>in it here. Some principles by which it can be discerned:
>
>1. Show scornful contempt for all criticisms, and the individuals
>making them. This has the advantage of furthering
>group solidarity and encouraging believers to regard criticism as
>contemptible. It also tells them "This will happen to you,
too,
>if you step out of line." Unfortunately, it has the
>disadvantage of saying to observers, "We true believers are a
>bunch of hostile, sarcastic nasties who don't care at all what
>people in the outside world think of us, since we're too busy
>bashing critics to worry about the impression our tone or
>attitude makes." (See the Eckists or Scientologists or
>fundamentalist Christians on Usenet for real virtuosity in
>this regard.)
>
>2. Personalize, personalize, personalize. If you can
>relentlessly focus attention on the individual(s) raising
>difficult issues, you just might keep yourself and others
>from facing the issues themselves. Not facing the crucial issues
>is of utmost priority.
>
>3. Polarize at all possible opportunities. Never give an inch.
>Don't acknowledge even a single point that an "enemy" makes,
or
>modify your vigilant tone for an instant. Prove that you're a
>"spiritual warrior" for the "true faith."
Kindness is weakness,
>forbearance is never appropriate when God's on your side.
Compare Mr. Johnson's observations with those of Dr. Juan Cole
regarding Susan Maneck's "misrepresentations" and "bites on
my back," attacks some of which she made on the AOL Message
Boards, during early October of 1998, in a manner very similar to
her present attacks:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/Cole20.htm
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/Cole19.htm
Let me urge those who wish to understand the complexity
of the issues at stake over talk.religion.bahai to read the observations
from several different people, which I will post in a revised version
in a moment, called "Demagoguery - The Baha'i Technique." Her
referring to my opinions and ideas as "garbage" and
"slander" should
be weighed carefully, especially the tone with which she's doing it....
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
On alt.religion.bahai and AOL, Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Smaneck wrote in message
<19990102213647.00849.00006194@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>>Since Maneck's slander and misrepresentations have
>>proven so difficult for some people to keep track of, I've
>>created a web page dedicated to helping others understand
>>what I believe are her misrepresentations
>
>. . . A web page which includes none of the statements I made giving
specific
>instances of Fred's slander. But most of those have been posted here
>previously. However, let me give you a fresh example of one he
recently
posted
>on AOL. Fred wrote:
>
>"Since I've been on AOL since mid-August, I've heard numerous
excuses
already
>why nothing can be done, all of them quite false.... First, it was
Mark
Foster
>was oh so busy with the return to his fall teaching schedule, then
suddenly,
>two months later, during discussion for talk.religion.bahai, the
excuse
became
>he was ill and needed an operation..... The reality is his absence
provides
an
>excuse for leaving the status quo right where it is . . . "
>
>Since Mark Foster's chronic illness is documentable and has effected
his
>ability to manage *all* of his numerous lists, this statement of
Fred's
which
>categorically says this is not true, is clearly slander for
which he could
be
>held liable in court.
>
>The "status quo" on AOL, incidently, is that posts are
put up and stay up
with
>no moderation whatsoever, even to the extent of insuring they abide by
TOS
>rules. The libraries and websites are frozen with a large portion of
the
>material and sites being those of
>Covenant-breaking groups. But Glaysher would have us believe this
situation
>exists for purposes of censorship on behalf of Baha'i Institutions!
>
>I would also like to bring it to Mr. Glaysher's attention that the
article
of
>mine on hikmat which he has posted on his website is copywrited.
Placing it
on
>his website constitutes a violation of federal law. But we wouldn't
want
>anything to get in the way of "free speech"!
>
>warmest,
>
>Susan
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From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 9:13 AM
Subject: AOL Survey - 3 Issues - Folders
Many of you may have also received this survey from AOL.
I'd like to suggest it could be used to improve the service
from AOL in the Bahai Forums. Please consider writing or
taking the survey and expressing along with what your individual
concerns might be the desire, as paying customers of AOL,
to see the 3 Issues and Folders rectified:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai added to Newsgroups
under Keyword search Bahai.
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored in any way by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
The Folders able to be changed as posters choose.
A new Forum Leader to replace Mark Foster, one open to
freedom of expression and belief, unlike Susan Maneck who
has thoroughly tainted herself during the discussion period
for talk.religion.bahai, which has now passed. You might
also request that when the newly formed talk.religion.bahai
is properly formed it be available on AOL (it already is but
technically as a bogus newsgroup).
You might also "cc" your response to SteveCase@aol.com
and ShawnnaT@aol.com to be sure someone at AOL receives
as well as the outside surveying company.
Thanks for your cooperation in improving the Bahai Forums
on AOL. And thanks to all of you who voted YES for
talk.religion.bahai!
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
On alt.religion.bahai and AOL, Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
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From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 9:25 AM
To: SteveCase@aol.com
Cc: ShawnnaT@aol.com
Subject: Fw: AOL Survey - 3 Issues - Folders
-----Original Message-----
From: Frederick Glaysher <fglaysher@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 8:13 AM
Subject: AOL Survey - 3 Issues - Folders
>Many of you may have also received this survey from AOL.
>I'd like to suggest it could be used to improve the service
>from AOL in the Bahai Forums. Please consider writing or
>taking the survey and expressing along with what your individual
>concerns might be the desire, as paying customers of AOL,
>to see the 3 Issues and Folders rectified:
>
>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai added to Newsgroups
>under Keyword search Bahai.
>
>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>uncensored in any way by Bahais.
>
>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
>
>The Folders able to be changed as posters choose.
>
>A new Forum Leader to replace Mark Foster, one open to
>freedom of expression and belief, unlike Susan Maneck who
>has thoroughly tainted herself during the discussion period
>for talk.religion.bahai, which has now passed. You might
>also request that when the newly formed talk.religion.bahai
>is properly formed it be available on AOL (it already is but
>technically as a bogus newsgroup).
>
>You might also "cc" your response to SteveCase@aol.com
>and ShawnnaT@aol.com to be sure someone at AOL receives
>as well as the outside surveying company.
>
>Thanks for your cooperation in improving the Bahai Forums
>on AOL. And thanks to all of you who voted YES for
>talk.religion.bahai!
>
>Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
>On alt.religion.bahai and AOL, Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>
>
>----------
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>Date: 1/12/1999 1:43:25 AM Eastern Standard Time
>From: aol@esurvey.com
>To: fglaysher@aol.com
>
>Dear AOL Member:
> We are always exploring
ways to understand your needs and to
>improve our services. Your name has been selected from a list of
>members who recently contacted AOL customer service, and we would
really
>appreciate about 5 minutes of your time to let us know how we are
>doing. You can help us by responding to a survey by clicking on
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>Internet address below:
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>
>If you have any questions regarding your AOL service, please go to
>keyword: HELP. Please DO NOT include any confidential
account or
>financial data in your survey responses.
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>by Decisive Technology Corporation. For more information, please
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From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 7:17 PM
To: K. Paul Johnson
Subject: Maneck on AOL about YOU!
Subject: Re: WHAT IS GOING ON????
Date: 1/13/1999 6:03 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Smaneck
Message-id: <19990113180318.09879.00000482@ng-fi1.aol.com>
Dear Adam:
Thank you for posting the Gnosis article. It's author, K. Paul
Johnson, is
a former Baha'i who has floated from one New Religious Movement to
another,
apparently finding each one too authoritarian for his tastes.
Currently I
believe he has found a home among the followers of Edgar Cayce.
This article stated:
>In October 1994 the electronic mail list Talisman was created by
Indiana
>University professor John Walbridge for scholarly discussion of Baha'i
>history, doctrines, and current affairs.
The discussion of history and doctrine, generally was scholarly.
The
discussion of "current affairs" more resembled the National
Enquirer.
Rumors impinging on the integrity of members of the senior Institutions
were
presented as true based on the flimsiest of evidence, or no evidence at
all.
>even mild dissent is regarded as treasonous.
Were this true they would have gotten rid of me a long time ago!
Mr. Johnson suggests that they were unfairly accused of being in
opposition
to the Covenant. While the participants of Talisman were not a
monolithic
group some of them take the position which True has argued here, namely
that
Cause became "mutilated" due to the absence of a living Guardian
and hence
the provisions of the Covenant do not really pertain. At least one
individual tried to persuade me that the Covenant effectively ceased to
function
after 1921 because the Universal House of Justice and the Guardian never
coexisted. Hence divine guidance cannot be assured for the entire
period of
the Guardianship and the Universal House of Justice. For most
Baha'is such
a position definitely has Covenantal implications.
Keep in mind that I am not suggesting that the Walbridge's themselves
took
this position, only that they came to be associated with those who did.
>David Langness had his rights to voting and attendance at major
functions
>removed by the American National Spiritual Assembly, which never
specified
>the charges against him
I have seen the documentation here and the charges were quite
specific. (I
can provide you with this if you like, PL.) Mr. Langness' voting
rights
were removed for "slander" after he stated on Talisman that the
Secretary-general of the National Spiritual Assembly had removed David's
rights to pilgrimage a number of years earlier on his own initiative
without
authorization. Mr. Langness had a letter in his possession at the
time
which stated quite
explicitly that this action had been taken with the knowledge and consent
of
the Universal House of Justice.
>Defending its actions, the Universal House of Justice wrote to a
family
>member of one of the accused; the letter later appeared on the front
page
of
>the journal "The American Baha'i." It argues that
Talisman was the
>continuation of a conspiracy born in the mid-1980s involving a liberal
Baha'i
>journal, "Dialogue," which closed after Baha'i authorities
accused it of
>being subversive.
The word "conspiracy" does not appear in that letter.
Rather their
activities are compared to the kind of partisan pressure politics common
in
Western democracies. I have posted this letter in the Universal
House of
Justice folder. You can access it here:
House on Criticism
The activities of the 1980s which this article refers to are the same
one's
which resulted in the removal of David Langness' right to
pilgrimage. This
occurred as a result of an article written by David Langness which
critiqued
current Baha'i administrative practices. I believe Mr. Glaysher
posted that
article here some time ago. It was entitled "A Modest
Proposal" named after
grimly ironic essay by the same name, written by Jonathan Swift which
suggests that
Ireland's
overpopulation and dire economic
conditions could be alleviated if the babies of poor Irish parents were
sold
as edible delicacies to be eaten by the rich. I have posted the
explanation
given by the Universal House of Justice for the actions of the
Institutions
in 1989 in the aforementioned folder which you may access here.
Letter on
the Dialogue Affair
warmest,
Susan Maneck
----------
From: K. Paul Johnson[SMTP:pjohnson@vsla.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 4:07 PM
To: Frederick Glaysher
Cc: pjohnson@vsla.edu
Subject: Re: Maneck on AOL about YOU!
Dear Fred,
Please forward this reply for me:
Susan Maneck wrote:
> From: Smaneck
> Message-id: <19990113180318.09879.00000482@ng-fi1.aol.com>
>
> Dear Adam:
>
> Thank you for posting the Gnosis article. It's author,
Its
K. Paul Johnson, is
> a former Baha'i who has floated from one New Religious Movement to
another,
who has only belonged to two new religious movements since
leaving the Baha'i Faith at age 20 in 1974, after five years of
membership: the Cayce-founded Association for Research
and Enlightenment and the Theosophical movement, with both of which he
*affiliated over twenty years ago* and with which he has been
connected ever since, with varying levels of involvement but
continuous interest,
> apparently finding each one too authoritarian for his
tastes.
finding no problems with authoritarianism in either movement
until publishing academic studies which certain Theosophical
leaders found so unsettling as to bring out a kind of dogmatic
condemnation no other author had received in this century.
This has done nothing to reduce his activity in the Theosophical
movement, where he continues to be a regular speaker to the
Theosophical Society in Maryland, as he has been for many years,
and to the Charlotte NC Study Center.
Currently I
> believe he has found a home among the followers of Edgar Cayce.
>
He was born into a family with connections to Cayce, participated
in ARE Study Groups in the seventies, eighties and nineties, and
never, even when a teenage Baha'i, lost interest in Cayce, about
whom he has just published the first university press study,
Edgar Cayce in Context: The Readings, Truth and Fiction.
Fortunately, the Cayce family and the ARE leadership are
much more hospitable to scholarly inquiry than the Theosophists
were.
>
> The discussion of history and doctrine, generally was
scholarly. The
> discussion of "current affairs" more resembled the National
Enquirer.
What does your religion teach about backbiting, Susan?
I suggest that your reliability as a commentator on me is already
pretty clear from the above corrections. I interviewed all the
principals in the Talisman I crises except Stephen Birkland *who
refused my request for an interview.* If you think the results
are slanted in favor of the "out" faction, blame him. I
reported
what I observed and what I was told by the sources who would talk
to me.
When you say "warmest," Susan, it doesn't mean anything
pleasant,
does it?
Paul
PS-- All the ins and outs of the Talisman situation should be
discussed on talk.religion.bahai, where some of the principals
are likely to be. I'm copying this to Juan Cole so he will know
of your personal attack, and may comment himself.
----------
From: K. Paul Johnson[SMTP:pjohnson@vsla.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 7:14 PM
To: Frederick Glaysher
Cc: crollins@webtv.com
Subject: Re: Maneck on AOL about YOU!
Dear Fred,
I've been thinking about the surprising message you forwarded.
Although replying by correcting Susan's calumnies might have been
satisfying to me, it probably didn't clearly enough address her
misunderstandings for readers. The best metaphor I can come up with
is that she has misperceived me as an oft-married, unstable serial
monogamist in the spiritual realm. In fact, I've been a very stable
polygamist.
As stated, I knew of Cayce and was fascinated by him well before
encountering Baha'i. The ARE HQ is something of a spiritual axis
mundi for alternative spirituality in Tidewater Virginia, and its
library had the largest collections of Baha'i, Theosophical,
Radhasoami, Spiritualist, etc. etc. books in the region and
perhaps the state. As soon as I left Baha'i I reverted to
interest in the constellation of ideas and practices that soon
came to be known as "New Age." Joined ARE in late 1977 and
became enamored of Theosophical books in their library, which led
to joining the Theosophical Society in early 1978. Ever since
then my continually-evolving belief system has incorporated
elements from both sources, and my network of spiritual
associations has included members of both organizations. I let
my ARE membership expire after a year, but most Cayce disciples
aren't ARE members. Think I'm the only one in my study group of
8 participants who belongs! Founded a Theosophical branch in
Tidewater in 1980 which survived until I left the area in 1990
(and a bit beyond that) but there were always more ARE members
participating than Theosophists. The frame of reference for any
alternative spiritual group in that metro area has to include
Cayce to some extent, and the Virginia Beach Baha'is were
certainly enthusiastic about visiting ARE back when I was among
them. I remember a fireside where a Baha'i gave a straight Caycean
lecture on diet and health!
The year that I was most productive in the research and writing
that led to my 3 books on Mme. Blavatsky, I was active in an ARE
Study Group. It's always been an intertwined dharma. After
exhausting my interests in Theosophical research, I proceeded on
to Cayce, but he'd always been there as a major element in my
worldview. Not until 1995 did I renew ARE membership and find a
local study group here to join, and then start writing about
Cayce. That must be why Susan came up with the idea that I was
some kind of unstable dharma-hopper "bouncing." In fact,
I've
been about as stable as a person could be in terms of spiritual
affiliations since leaving Baha'i, staying focused on the same
two movements my entire adult life. Since each of those
movements is eclectic and encourages exploration, this did not
prevent me from taking side trips into Satchidananda satsangs,
Fourth Way exercises, Radhasoami meditation techniques, etc.
In fact, my spiritual identity has remained strongly rooted/centered
for more than 20 years in the same movements and interests, but
has expanded rather steadily with the addition of new learnings
from a wide variety of sources. I think this must be rather hard
for Baha'is to understand, since their identification with a
single organization and body of literature is vastly stronger than
mine has ever been with any since 1974, and their tolerance for multiple
affiliations and explorations far, far less.
Something I can't help noticing, and wondering about, is the
consistent role of personal attacks in Baha'i discourse.
Not only was Susan's characterization of me entirely inaccurate, it
was also irrelevant. The article could and should have been
evaluated without introduction of such considerations, IMO.
Richard Schaut delivered 4 or 5 personal attacks (I lost count)
against me on arb/trm *in a single day* yesterday. He could just
as easily have tried to dissect my line of argument without ever
once going off into diatribes about "Mr. Johnson." Oddly,
Richard was
subjected, on the very same day, to about as many personal
attacks from Tim Mulligan, yet didn't make *any* such attacks *on
his attacker*. Instead, I, who try to be scrupulously focused on
the ideas and attitudes expressed rather than personalities, got
bashed repeatedly. Scapegoating? Who knows? (Richard and
Susan
both managed to push me over my preferred limits into responding to their
personally focused remarks on their level, which tells me I
really need to work on ways to transcend rather than
reciprocate their negative emotions-- "resist not evil" etc.)
Well, feel free to use this however you wish. Hope it clarifies
things a bit for you and whomever reads it.
Cheers,
Paul
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 9:13 PM
To: K. Paul Johnson
Subject: Fw: Maneck on AOL about YOU!
It appears you cc-ed this to "crollins" not Juan Cole.
I've posted both to AOL.
News.groups is turning into a farce. I'm saying
nothing until trb is up and running....
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: K. Paul Johnson <pjohnson@vsla.edu>
To: Frederick Glaysher <fglaysher@hotmail.com>
Cc: crollins@webtv.com <crollins@webtv.com>
Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: Maneck on AOL about YOU!
>Dear Fred,
>
>I've been thinking about the surprising message you forwarded.
>Although replying by correcting Susan's calumnies might have been
>satisfying to me, it probably didn't clearly enough address her
>misunderstandings for readers. The best metaphor I can come up
with
>is that she has misperceived me as an oft-married, unstable serial
>monogamist in the spiritual realm. In fact, I've been a very
stable
>polygamist.
>
>As stated, I knew of Cayce and was fascinated by him well before
>encountering Baha'i. The ARE HQ is something of a spiritual axis
>mundi for alternative spirituality in Tidewater Virginia, and its
>library had the largest collections of Baha'i, Theosophical,
>Radhasoami, Spiritualist, etc. etc. books in the region and
>perhaps the state. As soon as I left Baha'i I reverted to
>interest in the constellation of ideas and practices that soon
>came to be known as "New Age." Joined ARE in late 1977
and
>became enamored of Theosophical books in their library, which led
>to joining the Theosophical Society in early 1978. Ever since
>then my continually-evolving belief system has incorporated
>elements from both sources, and my network of spiritual
>associations has included members of both organizations. I let
>my ARE membership expire after a year, but most Cayce disciples
>aren't ARE members. Think I'm the only one in my study group of
>8 participants who belongs! Founded a Theosophical branch in
>Tidewater in 1980 which survived until I left the area in 1990
>(and a bit beyond that) but there were always more ARE members
>participating than Theosophists. The frame of reference for any
>alternative spiritual group in that metro area has to include
>Cayce to some extent, and the Virginia Beach Baha'is were
>certainly enthusiastic about visiting ARE back when I was among
>them. I remember a fireside where a Baha'i gave a straight
Caycean
>lecture on diet and health!
>
>The year that I was most productive in the research and writing
>that led to my 3 books on Mme. Blavatsky, I was active in an ARE
>Study Group. It's always been an intertwined dharma. After
>exhausting my interests in Theosophical research, I proceeded on
>to Cayce, but he'd always been there as a major element in my
>worldview. Not until 1995 did I renew ARE membership and find a
>local study group here to join, and then start writing about
>Cayce. That must be why Susan came up with the idea that I was
>some kind of unstable dharma-hopper "bouncing." In
fact, I've
>been about as stable as a person could be in terms of spiritual
>affiliations since leaving Baha'i, staying focused on the same
>two movements my entire adult life. Since each of those
>movements is eclectic and encourages exploration, this did not
>prevent me from taking side trips into Satchidananda satsangs,
>Fourth Way exercises, Radhasoami meditation techniques, etc.
>
>In fact, my spiritual identity has remained strongly rooted/centered
>for more than 20 years in the same movements and interests, but
>has expanded rather steadily with the addition of new learnings
>from a wide variety of sources. I think this must be rather hard
>for Baha'is to understand, since their identification with a
>single organization and body of literature is vastly stronger than
>mine has ever been with any since 1974, and their tolerance for
multiple
>affiliations and explorations far, far less.
>
>Something I can't help noticing, and wondering about, is the
>consistent role of personal attacks in Baha'i discourse.
>Not only was Susan's characterization of me entirely inaccurate, it
>was also irrelevant. The article could and should have been
>evaluated without introduction of such considerations, IMO.
>Richard Schaut delivered 4 or 5 personal attacks (I lost count)
>against me on arb/trm *in a single day* yesterday. He could just
>as easily have tried to dissect my line of argument without ever
>once going off into diatribes about "Mr. Johnson."
Oddly, Richard was
>subjected, on the very same day, to about as many personal
>attacks from Tim Mulligan, yet didn't make *any* such attacks *on
>his attacker*. Instead, I, who try to be scrupulously focused on
>the ideas and attitudes expressed rather than personalities, got
>bashed repeatedly. Scapegoating? Who knows? (Richard
and Susan
>both managed to push me over my preferred limits into responding to
their
>personally focused remarks on their level, which tells me I
>really need to work on ways to transcend rather than
>reciprocate their negative emotions-- "resist not evil"
etc.)
>
>Well, feel free to use this however you wish. Hope it clarifies
>things a bit for you and whomever reads it.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Paul
>
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 10:57 AM
To: Frederick Glaysher
Subject: 3 Issues
3 Issues remain here on the Bahai Forum:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai added to Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
----------
From: Fglaysher@aol.com[SMTP:Fglaysher@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 7:00 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: fglaysher@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Terms of Service
Dear Jennifer:
Please explain in detail how my posting to the Bahai Message Boards
is a TOS. I fail to see how it could possibly be construed as such and
can't imagine many people would.
I must inform you that many Bahai fundamentalists vehemently hate
me for being instrumental in supporting and passing the recently
created unmoderated talk.religion.bahai on Usenet. You might want
to take that into consideration regarding whoever has alleged the
TOS against me. Also, for the more than decade long struggle that
has been occurring in the Bahai Faith over freedom of conscience
and speech, please see my web site The Bahai Faith & Religious
Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
Please remove any TOS against my account and inform me in writing
when you have done so.
Thank you.
Frederick Glaysher
Fglaysher@aol.com
Subj: Terms of Service
Date: 2/1/1999 6:34:29 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:TOSBoards3">TOSBoards3</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:Fglaysher">Fglaysher</A>
Dear Member,
I need to let you know that America Online was notified of a post to
one of
our message boards which violates the Terms of Service. Here is the
information I have placed on the account regarding this incident:
On Mon, Feb 1, 1999 07:17 EST the Fglaysher screen name posted a
message in
Keyword Baha'i/Message Boards/For Non-Baha'is >> Subject: Call for
Manuscripts
- - New . The following is an excerpt from the post:
" Call
for Manuscripts - - New Publisher , a new
publishing company, seeks primarily manuscripts of poetry, fiction, and
literary and social criticism.....All submissions must include a Self
Addressed Stamped Envelope (SASE) or they will not be returned
"
Our Terms of Service agreement, which was presented during the sign up
process, allows America Online to be informative, entertaining and, above
all,
fun for all of our Members. You can review that agreement by using
keyword
<A HREF="aol://1391:41-4688">TOS</A>. This
area also has information and
tools you can use to help protect your account. Also, you may want
to take a
look at our <A HREF="aol://1722:parentalcontrols">PARENTAL
CONTROLS</A>. This
will allow you, among other things, to limit and/or block specific
screen
names from various online activities.
Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note,
this screen name
cannot accept replies. Therefore, if you have any comments or questions
please
send mail to <A HREF="mailto:
TOSGeneral">TOSGeneral</A>.
Regards,
Jennifer
Community Action Team
America Online, Inc.
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 6:52 AM
To: Frederick Glaysher
Subject: TOS3 against
Subj: Terms of Service
Date: 2/1/1999 6:34:29 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: TOSBoards3
To: Fglaysher
Dear Member,
I need to let you know that America Online was notified of a post to
one of
our message boards which violates the Terms of Service. Here is the
information I have placed on the account regarding this incident:
On Mon, Feb 1, 1999 07:17 EST the Fglaysher screen name posted a
message in
Keyword Baha'i/Message Boards/For Non-Baha'is >> Subject: Call for
Manuscripts - - New . The following is an excerpt
from the
post: " Call for Manuscripts - - New Publisher
, a new publishing company, seeks primarily manuscripts of poetry,
fiction, and literary and social criticism.....All submissions must
include
a Self Addressed Stamped Envelope (SASE) or they will not be
returned "
Our Terms of Service agreement, which was presented during the sign up
process, allows America Online to be informative, entertaining and, above
all, fun for all of our Members. You can review that agreement by
using
keyword TOS. This area also has information and tools you can use to
help
protect your account. Also, you may want to take a look at our
PARENTAL
CONTROLS. This will allow you, among other things, to limit and/or
block
specific screen names from various online activities.
Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note,
this screen
name cannot accept replies. Therefore, if you have any comments or
questions
please send mail to TOSGeneral.
Regards,
Jennifer
Community Action Team
America Online, Inc.
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 8:34 AM
Subject: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai censorship
Mark Foster, the Forum Leader, after nearly a full year of absence,
has surfaced suddenly on AOL, ignoring my resquests that he
resign, and appears to be ready to reimpose Bahai control
and manipulation of the various Bahai Forums on AOL.
Subject: Why RBCF Mark Foster should resign
Date: 2/4/1999 7:25 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: Fglaysher
Message-id: <19990204072511.13073.00000518@ng38.aol.com>
Since early August 1998, I have repeatedly asked
the Forum Leader Mark Foster to improve 3 issues:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai added to Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
The long record of appeals can be found on Questions for
the Forum Leader, Announcements, and For Non-Bahais.
During this entire time, and apparently for months even
prior to August, he has abandoned his duties and
responsibilities as Forum Leader. That is why I emailed him
personally on at least two occasions months ago and have
repeatedly asked for his resignation in public on the Bahai
Forums.
I once again ask Mark Foster to RESIGN and allow
someone else become the Forum Leader. I do not believe
that Mark Foster, nor Susan Maneck, should be trusted
with the position. Mr. Foster has thoroughly proven his
inability and incompetence during the last year. Ms. Maneck
has equally demonstrated her dishonesty and lack of respect
for the principles that undergird AOL--freedom of speech and
conscience by referring on these Message Boards and
elsewhere to people's "garbage" opinions and ideas. Her
demagogic NO vote campaign against talk.religion.bahai
speaks poorly of her commitment to the principles that a
Forum Leader should adhere to not to mention those that
anyone truly worthy of being consider a scholar ought to
uphold.
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/Maneck1.htm
Bahais such as Foster and Maneck have abused the
positions of authority when given them. They have and
would run the AOL Forums in the same dictatorial way
that soc.religion.bahai has and is run. I do not care to
pay $21.95 per month for more Bahai censorship of the
3 Issues. People need to understand that the frozen
status quo is better than nothing to Bahai like Foster and
Maneck.
I request all those people who agree to speak up and say
something and support the Petition I have posted in the
past and will repost now.
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: Fglaysher@aol.com[SMTP:Fglaysher@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 4:57 PM
To: RBCFMark@aol.com
Cc: fglaysher@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: TOS violation
Please explain in detail how my two messages are
TOS violations.
----------
From: Fglaysher@aol.com[SMTP:Fglaysher@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 5:27 PM
To: SteveCase@aol.com
Cc: fglaysher@hotmail.com; ShawnnaT@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: TOS violation
<<Message: TOS violation>>
Dear Mr. Case,
I'm forwarding you the message below from the Bahai Forum Leader
who just showed back up yesterday after being gone at least since
early August, 1998, and apparently even for months prior to that.
He's suddenly alleging TOSs against me and apparently threatening
others with him. I've been asking for months for him to RESIGN and
believe the best thing for AOL members is for him to do so. He's a
highly dictatorial personality as I have experienced him on a mailing
list, Bahai-Studies, and should not even be allowed to run AOL's
Bahai Forums, which are definitely manipulated by fundamentalist
Bahais intent on silencing and suppressing others who do not toe
the party line....
Please, please do something NOW to help improve the Bahai Forums
and prevent them from further abuse by Bahais. I suggest you search
the Questions to Forum Leader and Annoucement Folders back to
August to corroborate that I have repeatedly attempted to improve the
manipulation of these Forums by Bahais.
Further, as a paying member, I ask you to fully investigate the
motivations
for placing these bogus TOSs on my account and remove them.
Subj: TOS violation
Date: 2/4/1999 12:51:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:RBCF Mark">RBCF Mark</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:Fglaysher">Fglaysher</A>
Another TOS violation. Both of these have been reported to AOL.
Mark Foster
Baha'i Forum Manager
Subject: Why RBCF Mark Foster should resign
Date: 2/4/99 06:25 Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:Fglaysher">Fglaysher</A>
Message-id: <19990204072511.13073.00000518@ng38.aol.com>
Since early August 1998, I have repeatedly asked
the Forum Leader Mark Foster to improve 3 issues:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai added to Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
The long record of appeals can be found on Questions for
the Forum Leader, Announcements, and For Non-Bahais.
During this entire time, and apparently for months even
prior to August, he has abandoned his duties and
responsibilities as Forum Leader. That is why I emailed him
personally on at least two occasions months ago and have
repeatedly asked for his resignation in public on the Bahai
Forums.
I once again ask Mark Foster to RESIGN and allow
someone else become the Forum Leader. I do not believe
that Mark Foster, nor Susan Maneck, should be trusted
with the position. Mr. Foster has thoroughly proven his
inability and incompetence during the last year. Ms. Maneck
has equally demonstrated her dishonesty and lack of respect
for the principles that undergird AOL--freedom of speech and
conscience by referring on these Message Boards and
elsewhere to people's "garbage" opinions and ideas. Her
demagogic NO vote campaign against talk.religion.bahai
speaks poorly of her commitment to the principles that a
Forum Leader should adhere to not to mention those that
anyone truly worthy of being consider a scholar ought to
uphold.
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/Maneck1.htm
Bahais such as Foster and Maneck have abused the
positions of authority when given them. They have and
would run the AOL Forums in the same dictatorial way
that soc.religion.bahai has and is run. I do not care to
pay $21.95 per month for more Bahai censorship of the
3 Issues. People need to understand that the frozen
status quo is better than nothing to Bahai like Foster and
Maneck.
I request all those people who agree to speak up and say
something and support the Petition I have posted in the
past and will repost now.
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: Fglaysher@aol.com[SMTP:Fglaysher@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 4:03 PM
To: RBCFMark@aol.com
Cc: fglaysher@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: TOS violation
Are you advising Maneck who has accused me of
slander and referred to my ideas as "garbage" of
your new policies?
----------
From: Fglaysher@aol.com[SMTP:Fglaysher@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 4:18 PM
To: RBCFMark@aol.com
Cc: fglaysher@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: (no subject)
You might want to notice the dates of the messages
you're forwarding as instances of a TOS.
You're not a fair player, and you know it....
Please answer my Questions to Forum Leader
in that folder.
----------
From: Fglaysher@aol.com[SMTP:Fglaysher@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:46 AM
To: ShawnnaT@aol.com
Cc: fglaysher@hotmail.com; HostMgr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Receipt for Fwd: TOS violation
I would like to state that this alleged TOS violation is
completely bogus. The Bahai Forum Leader has failed
to perform his duties in any way whatsoever for more
than EIGHT months. My request that he resign was
emailed to him more than two months ago, and I have
repeatedly asked him to resign. My reason for doing
so is he and other FUNDAMENALTIST BAHAIS on
AOL are manipulating and using the Bahai Forums to
suppress what information is available to AOL members.
I also believe this TOS is an act of revenge against me
for recently creating talk.religion.bahai on Usenet, which
fundamentalist Bahais have opposed for more than two
years and may be corroborated by looking at my website
which documents their opposition, including their fanaticism
on AOL.
Please read especially "The Baha'i Technique" and AOL:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/technique.htm
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/AOL.htm
What is taking place on the AOL Bahai Forums is exceedingly
complex and will require serious efforts on the part of AOL
personnel if you are to understand and make the right decisions.
I'm concerned primarily with 3 ISSUES:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
I am forwarding this message to the HostMGR in the hope that
he can assist in removing Mark Foster as Bahai Forum Leader.
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:08 AM
To: talisman
Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai
censorship)
Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
Forum Leader
Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
absence.
I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
I have little confidence in you.
Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:08 AM
Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai
censorship)
Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
Forum Leader
Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
absence.
I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
I have little confidence in you.
Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:30 AM
To: CRust60001@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>fyi
>
>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Frederick Glaysher <fglaysher@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>Forum Leader
>>
>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>
>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>absence.
>>
>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>
>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>
>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>
>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
>>
>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>>I have little confidence in you.
>>
>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>
>>Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:31 AM
To: HANI72@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
fyi
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:30 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
>Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members
& Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>fyi
>>
>>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Frederick Glaysher <fglaysher@hotmail.com>
>>Newsgroups:
alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members
& Bahai
>>censorship)
>>
>>
>>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>>Forum Leader
>>>
>>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>>
>>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>>absence.
>>>
>>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>>
>>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>>
>>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>>
>>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience
>>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
>>>
>>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing
list,
>>>I have little confidence in you.
>>>
>>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>>
>>>Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom
of Conscience:
>>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:32 AM
To: Jimo3@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>fyi
>
>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Frederick Glaysher <fglaysher@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>Forum Leader
>>
>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>
>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>absence.
>>
>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>
>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>
>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>
>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
>>
>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>>I have little confidence in you.
>>
>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>
>>Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:32 AM
To: KevinEco@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>fyi
>
>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Frederick Glaysher <fglaysher@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>Forum Leader
>>
>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>
>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>absence.
>>
>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>
>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>
>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>
>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
>>
>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>>I have little confidence in you.
>>
>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>
>>Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:33 AM
To: Macho786@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>fyi
>
>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Frederick Glaysher <fglaysher@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>Forum Leader
>>
>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>
>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>absence.
>>
>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>
>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>
>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>
>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
>>
>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>>I have little confidence in you.
>>
>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>
>>Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:34 AM
To: PParvin@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>fyi
>
>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Frederick Glaysher <fglaysher@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>Forum Leader
>>
>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>
>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>absence.
>>
>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>
>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>
>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>
>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
>>
>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>>I have little confidence in you.
>>
>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>
>>Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:34 AM
To: RayHanania@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>fyi
>
>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Frederick Glaysher <fglaysher@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>Forum Leader
>>
>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>
>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>absence.
>>
>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>
>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>
>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>
>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
>>
>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>>I have little confidence in you.
>>
>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>
>>Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:35 AM
To: RobertNik@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>fyi
>
>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Frederick Glaysher <fglaysher@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>Forum Leader
>>
>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>
>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>absence.
>>
>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>
>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>
>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>
>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
>>
>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>>I have little confidence in you.
>>
>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>
>>Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:35 AM
To: SAMaso@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>fyi
>
>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Frederick Glaysher <fglaysher@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>Forum Leader
>>
>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>
>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>absence.
>>
>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>
>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>
>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>
>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
>>
>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>>I have little confidence in you.
>>
>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>
>>Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:36 AM
To: Shaksway@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>fyi
>
>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Frederick Glaysher <fglaysher@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>Forum Leader
>>
>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>
>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>absence.
>>
>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>
>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>
>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>
>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
>>
>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>>I have little confidence in you.
>>
>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>
>>Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:36 AM
To: Smastr@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai censorship)
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
censorship)
>fyi
>
>Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
>in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
>more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
>now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Frederick Glaysher <fglaysher@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
>Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
>Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
Bahai
>censorship)
>
>
>>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>>Forum Leader
>>
>>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>>
>>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>>absence.
>>
>>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>>
>>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>>
>>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>>uncensored by Bahais.
>>
>>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
>>
>>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>>I have little confidence in you.
>>
>>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>>
>>Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
>>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On
talk.religion.bahai,
>>alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
----------
From: Fglaysher@aol.com[SMTP:Fglaysher@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 1:00 PM
To: Ruletherod@aol.com
Cc: fglaysher@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members
& Bahai censors...
Rule,
Good luck, you're really going to need it....
It appears the fanatics have been successful in cutting
me off from the Message Boards. I've just been notified
to that effect.
I must say I'm disappointed in you....
Subj: Fwd: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members
& Bahai
censors...
Date: 2/5/1999 11:21:53 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:Ruletherod">Ruletherod</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:Fglaysher">Fglaysher</A>
CC: <A HREF="mailto:Ruletherod">Ruletherod</A>
Dear Fred,
Even, Susan, believe it or not, has admitted to me that you have a
legitimate
right to your self-expression (everything being relative)--if only in more
politically appeasing terms to avoid the impatient retaliation by the
general
rank and file of orthodoxy.
It's time to come to the table and be a player, side-by-side with the
rest of
the crew. "We" need you with us for the same fight against the
bigger dogs of
tyranny gnawing
at people's lives around the world--where basic human rights and democracy
remain a joke. There are many causes fighting against the plague of
tyranny.
The Baha'i faith is one too (however imperfect and hypocritical), even if
it
has some odd traits in achieving this objective. Alone, fighting off the
"lions," we will only get defeated or devoured as martyrs to
ourselves. But in
numbers there is strength--the greater the numbers, the greater the
strength
for change.
To be a Baha'i is to serve the promise (potential) of the future
order. If you
can tactfully pursue your personal objectives, you may also be able to
work in
unison with the whole in achieving the greater end. As it is, both your
personal goals and your Baha'i pledge to serve the promise of the existing
Baha'i order are being compromised to little advantage. How you achieve
this
depends on the nature of your genius. We have to look around and ask
ourselves: "Is this method really working?
Is there a more fruitful approach for everyone concerned? What must I give
up
in order to be a player again--even if only for my own sake?"
No, I haven't sold out. These are the same things I've been telling
myself
lately.
"Some will shine in the second rank who are lost in the first."
(Voltaire) Why
not be a second-ranking officer where things get done the right way in the
disguise of a conforming style?
Best wishes. Your friend, "Rule."
-----------------
Forwarded Message:
Subj: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai
censorship)
Date: 2/5/1999 8:28:02 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: fglaysher@hotmail.com (Frederick Glaysher)
To: Ruletherod@aol.com
fyi
Foster placed a TOS against me for my questioning him
in the Non-Bahai forum. I've been warned by AOL once
more and I'm off for good. Really need your and others' help
now. Seems to me they're seeking revenge for talk.religon.bahai
-----Original Message-----
From: Frederick Glaysher <fglaysher@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:08 AM
Subject: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members & Bahai
censorship)
>Posted to the AOL Bahai Forums Message Boards/ Question to
>Forum Leader
>
>Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
>
>You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
>absence.
>
>I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
>
>alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
>Newsgroups on the main Bahai Forum Menu
>
>Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
>uncensored by Bahais.
>
>My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
>http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
>
>Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
>fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
>because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
>been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
>years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
>been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
>may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
>here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
>people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
>I have little confidence in you.
>
>Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
>
>Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
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From: "Frederick Glaysher" <fglaysher@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Fw: Bahai censorship on AOL (Re: 14+ million AOL members &
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From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 1:05 PM
Subject: Bahais on AOL (Re: Call for Manuscripts - - New
Publisher)
Fran Baker wrote in message
<79f5k7$2g1$1@chaos.crhc.uiuc.edu>...
>Matthew Cromer <matthew_cromer@iname.com> writes:
>
>>In article <79dj61$ooo$1@chaos.crhc.uiuc.edu> Fran Baker,
>>fran@gershwin.dgii.com writes:
>>>The FDA doesn't claim to be infallible.
>>>
>>>--Fran
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>>Baha'is don't use the power of the State to impose their views.
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>Not now, but that is the hope and that is the plan.
>
>Also, "the power of the State" is not monolithic in the US,
so
>this is a bit of a straw man.
Baha fundamentalists are using what little power they
have on AOL, where there are potentially 14+ million readers,
to basically frame me at the moment and get me thrown
off AOL. See my recent message on AOL for more info.
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
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From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 1:10 PM
Subject: Bahai threats (Re: Call for Manuscripts - - New
Publisher)
Smaneck wrote in message
<19990204234252.25317.00000226@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
>
>Mr. Glaysher has made it quite clear that he does not wish to receive
privat
>email. Furthermore he has made it even more clear that private email
sent
to
>him will not be kept private.
Non-Bahais should look at the following links to see
what kind of messages are being sent to me and others
by "loving" Bahais....
http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~saf/bahai/docs/hikmat.html
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/AOL.htm
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/hate.htm
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/Maneck1.htm
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
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From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 4:19 PM
To: Frederick Glaysher
Subject: TOS
Subj: TOS
Date: 2/5/1999 2:56:49 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: Fglaysher
Again, forwarded to TOS. You need to refrain from personal indictments
and
accusations.
Mark Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
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Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
You appear to have returned from your more than 8 MONTH long
absence.
I'm concerned with the correction of primarily 3 ISSUES:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai should be added to
Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
Will you be helping to improve the AOL Bahai Forums for the
fair and open use of all AOL members? I ask this question
because of the Bahai FANATICISM that has overwhelmingly
been demonstrated on soc.religion.bahai during the last two
years of opposition to talk.religion.bahai, which has just
been recently created on Usenet. I am concerned that you
may actually represent a narrowly fundamentalist contingent
here on AOL as well. Having witnessed the way you censored
people a year and a half ago on your Bahai-Studies mailing list,
I have little confidence in you.
Please reassure all of us otherwise and state your policies.
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
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Subj: TOS
Date: 2/5/1999 2:39:38 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: Fglaysher
And another one reported to TOS
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
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Subject: Re: 12/4/98 Message to Mark Foster
Date: 2/4/99 15:04 Central Standard Time
From: Fglaysher
Message-id: <19990204160430.27091.00000604@ng13.aol.com>
I certainly don't believe a word of it.
Is it now going to be your policy of placing bogus TOS violations
against
anyone with whom you or certain other Bahais disagree with?
Your claiming my other two messages as such is quite revealing, in my
humble
opinion....
Am I allowed to have one? Is anyone?
Please state why you have ignored my repeated appeals during the last
SIX
MONTHS....
Also, is it a violation to ask you to RESIGN
for dericlection of duty? I for one hope you still will and have no
confidence in you whatsoever. Will you allege a TOS against me for saying
so?
Please state your policy regarding the 3 ISSUES....
Will you be manipulating them to the benefit of certain kinds of
Bahais?
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subj: TOS
Date: 2/5/1999 2:37:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: Fglaysher
Again forwarded for possible action.
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
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Date: 2/4/99 15:13 Central Standard Time
From: Fglaysher
Message-id: <19990204161327.27091.00000612@ng13.aol.com>
That was ingenious.... Please consider my questions below.
Have experienced your censorship of Bahai-studies, I am not
at all please that you have returned to run AOL's Bahai Forums:
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I certainly don't believe a word of it.
Is it now going to be your policy of placing bogus TOS violations
against
anyone with whom you or certain other Bahais disagree with?
Your claiming my other two messages as such is quite revealing, in my
humble
opinion....
Am I allowed to have one? Is anyone?
Please state why you have ignored my repeated appeals during the last
SIX
MONTHS....
Also, is it a violation to ask you to RESIGN
for dericlection of duty? I for one hope you still will and have no
confidence in you whatsoever. Will you allege a TOS against me for saying
so?
Please state your policy regarding the 3 ISSUES....
Will you be manipulating them to the benefit of certain kinds of
Bahais?
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
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Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
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Date: 2/5/1999 2:35:08 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: Fglaysher
As in the two previous cases, I have reported your posting as a
possible TOS
violation. It is not my decision as to what is a TOS violation. Your
postings are read and a decision is made (by them, not by me).
You again attack/criticize Susan Maneck and myself.
Mark A. Foster, Baha'i Faith Forum Manager
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Subject: To Steve Case
Date: 2/4/99 15:30 Central Standard Time
From: Fglaysher
Message-id: <19990204163020.27436.00000700@ng14.aol.com>
Dear Mr. Case,
I'm forwarding you the message below from the Bahai Forum Leader
who just showed back up yesterday after being gone at least since
early August, 1998, and apparently even for months prior to that.
He's suddenly alleging TOSs against me and apparently threatening
others with them. I've been asking for months for him to RESIGN and
believe the best thing for AOL members is for him to do so. He's a
highly dictatorial personality as I have experienced him on a mailing
list, Bahai-Studies, and should not even be allowed to run AOL's
Bahai Forums, which are definitely manipulated by fundamentalist
Bahais intent on silencing and suppressing others who do not toe
the party line....
Please, please do something NOW to help improve the Bahai Forums
and prevent them from further abuse by Bahais. I suggest you search
the Questions to Forum Leader and Annoucement Folders back to
August to corroborate that I have repeatedly attempted to improve the
manipulation of these Forums by Bahais.
Further, as a paying member, I ask you to fully investigate the
motivations
for placing these bogus TOSs on my account and remove them.
Frederick Glaysher
Fglaysher@aol.com
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Subj: TOS violation
Date: 2/4/1999 12:51:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: Fglaysher
Another TOS violation. Both of these have been reported to AOL.
Mark Foster
Baha'i Forum Manager
Subject: Why RBCF Mark Foster should resign
Date: 2/4/99 06:25 Central Standard Time
From: Fglaysher
Message-id: <19990204072511.13073.00000518@ng38.aol.com>
Since early August 1998, I have repeatedly asked
the Forum Leader Mark Foster to improve 3 issues:
alt.religion.bahai and talk.religion.bahai added to Newsgroups
on the main Bahai Forum Menu
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
The long record of appeals can be found on Questions for
the Forum Leader, Announcements, and For Non-Bahais.
During this entire time, and apparently for months even
prior to August, he has abandoned his duties and
responsibilities as Forum Leader. That is why I emailed him
personally on at least two occasions months ago and have
repeatedly asked for his resignation in public on the Bahai
Forums.
I once again ask Mark Foster to RESIGN and allow
someone else become the Forum Leader. I do not believe
that Mark Foster, nor Susan Maneck, should be trusted
with the position. Mr. Foster has thoroughly proven his
inability and incompetence during the last year. Ms. Maneck
has equally demonstrated her dishonesty and lack of respect
for the principles that undergird AOL--freedom of speech and
conscience by referring on these Message Boards and
elsewhere to people's "garbage" opinions and ideas. Her
demagogic NO vote campaign against talk.religion.bahai
speaks poorly of her commitment to the principles that a
Forum Leader should adhere to not to mention those that
anyone truly worthy of being consider a scholar ought to
uphold.
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/Maneck1.htm
Bahais such as Foster and Maneck have abused the
positions of authority when given them. They have and
would run the AOL Forums in the same dictatorial way
that soc.religion.bahai has and is run. I do not care to
pay $21.95 per month for more Bahai censorship of the
3 Issues. People need to understand that the frozen
status quo is better than nothing to Bahai like Foster and
Maneck.
I request all those people who agree to speak up and say
something and support the Petition I have posted in the
past and will repost now.
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience:
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From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 4:19 PM
To: Frederick Glaysher
Subject: TOS
Subj: TOS
Date: 2/5/1999 2:56:49 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: RBCF Mark
To: Fglaysher
Again, forwarded to TOS. You need to refrain from personal indictments
and
accusations.
Mark Foster, Baha'i Forum Manager
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Dear Mr. Mark Foster:
You appear to ha |