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NOTE WELL: I state at the bottom of this page that
"Recent claims of 140,000 in 2004 are certainly
highly exaggerated."
"During my time as a Baha'i, I saw potential converts lied to by Baha'is regarding the membership of the Faith. The Baha'is, especially the Baha'i leadership, have always grossly inflated the 'official' numbers in order to present an inaccurate picture to the world (as well as to individuals considering conversion) and to make the Faith seem much more successful and
influential than it really is. " --Scott
(The special case of India is discussed throughout and at the end.)
BANK FRAUD - Re: Baha'i technique of loan application (using false,
inflated statistics to qualify for loans)
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/BANK%20FRAUD.htm
Juan Cole commented in April 2001 that, since 1968, 50% of the people
who entered the bahai faith have left it. According to him,
a professor of religious history and studies at the University
of Michigan, the usually figure for most Christian denominations
is approximately 80% retention, meaning about only 20%
decide to leave once they become a member. See Professor Cole's
comment below that even 5 million Baha'is worldwide is exaggerated
by the Baha'i administration.
50% is truly a remarkably high number and reveals emphatically
that something is indeed wrong about the atmosphere within
the bahai faith, once one has declared one's belief and is taken
into the fold to be properly censored, coerced, and manipulated....
Bahai fanatics online exude the same duplicity and dishonesty
the new adherent quickly comes to realize is normative behind
the facade of love and brotherhood.
The FULL TEXT of the New Mexico lawsuit reveals what
many of the problems are that are
driving sensitive and thoughtful people out of the bahai faith in droves.
Cole has also stated that according to the official census figures of
India there
are approximately only 5,000 bahais that they were able to find in the
country
compare with the millions claimed by the bahai administration, a fact worth
lingering on....
Upon further reflection, a better estimate might be
arrived
at for true Baha'i world membership statistics than 6.7
million by
extrapolating what is generally accepted regarding USA
Bahai
membership. The Bahai administration regularly claims 140,000
US
Bahais. Having never seen such large numbers of US
Bahais, most
thoughtful Bahais prefer the figure of 60,000 US Bahais
based
on the widely known existence of actual mailing addresses
for
that number, many of whom though never participate in
Bahai
activities, being regarded as "inactive." If we
subtract the "inactive"
Bahais from the 60,000, we have the figure of
approximately
only 25,000 Bahais who show up regularly in the United
States.
Taking these two widely held figures, I calculate 43% and
19%
of the 140,000 claimed by the Bahai administration:
140,000 X 43 % = 60,200 addresses for "Bahais"
in US
140,000 X 19% = 26,600 "active" US Bahais
Applying that formula to the similarly inflated
figure of
worldwide Bahai membership of 6.7 million, I believe the
true worldwide membership numbers to be close to the
following:
6.7 million X 43% = 2,881,000 known "addresses"
worldwide
6.7 million X 19% = 1,273,000 "active" Bahais
worldwide
Rounding up, giving the benefit of the doubt, and
there are probably
only a maximum of 3 million Bahais at best worldwide,
especially
since there are essentially no Bahais in Europe beyond a
negligible
few hundred to a thousand in most countries, as in Japan.
Many Bahais have
for decades been suspicious of the administration's
claims of millionsin the
developing world.
Hope this helps the Encyclopedia Britannica in its
effort to ascertain
a reliable figure.
I should like to add two points:
1) A number of Bahais or ex-Bahais who worked at the
NSA of
the United States have stated online over the past years
that they knew
for a fact that only about 60,000 addresses existed for
American Bahais--
all other snail mail would bounce.... Hence, the 60,000
figure.
2) TENS of THOUSANDS of people have entered the Bahai
faith and then left, or been driven out, often without
caring enough to
bother with officially "withdrawing." It would
appear approximately
80,000 of them....
Both facts should be considered by the Encyclopedia
of
Britannica when attempting to determine worldwide
membership
and probably both corroborate further my estimates based
on 43%
and 19% according to known discrepancies in the United
States
enrollment figures.
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Juan,
Thanks for contacting the Encyclopedia Britannica.
I myself doubt 5 million Bahais exist. The statistics
for India
and other countries of the developing world are certainly
inflated and they usually have only the vaugest idea of
what
they're doing when they sign a Bahai card, never or
seldom
to show up again for any Bahai activity. 3 to 4 million
would
still be too many.
Anything below 6.7 million, though, is headed in the
right
direction. Obviously, the Bahai institutions are
unreliable.
-----
FYI:
Thanks, Fred. I wrote them that even 5 million is an
exaggeration.
cheers JRIC
[Juan Cole]
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FYI
mdiller@us.britannica.com <mdiller@us.britannica.com>:
Hello.
Your comment has been bouncing around our email
network, from editors to
World Data authorities, and the resolution is that we
would like to revise
our figures for Baha'i membership worldwide provided we
can come across hard
statistical data to go by. Given that our current figures
are based on the
best available statistics currently at our disposal,
however, we will not be
able to make such a change unless you can point us in the
direction of
publications that indicate exaggerated membership totals
in the areas you
mention. Do you know of such a reference source that we
could consult?
Sincerely,
Mark Diller, Ph.D.
Online Editor, Religion
Britannica.com, Inc.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trumbull, Charles
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 8:54 AM
> To: Sturgis, Joseph; Diller, Mark
> Subject: RE: False Bahai membership statistics on
Encyclopedia
> Britannica
>
> Our figure this year for total Bahais worldwide is
about 6.9 million. I'm
> sure the authors of the table would be interested in
any hard statistics
> any of these readers may have that indicate our
figures are too high.
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sturgis, Joseph
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 7:02 AM
> To: Trumbull, Charles
> Subject: FW: False Bahai membership statistics on
> Encyclopedia Britannica
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diller, Mark
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 08:31 AM
> To: Sturgis, Joseph
> Subject: FW: False Bahai membership statistics on
> Encyclopedia Britannica
>
>
>
>
>
> RE: World Religions Table. Joe Sturgis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Himick, Michael
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 4:34 PM
> To: Diller, Mark
> Subject: FW: False Bahai membership statistics on
> Encyclopedia
> Britannica
----
FYI
A response from the Encyclopedia of Britannica:
---
Dear Mr. Glaysher,
Thank you for your feedback regarding the Britannica.com
site. We value and
appreciate all comments from our visitors. Your
suggestions have been
forwarded to the appropriate department.
Thank you again for contacting Britannica.com.
Sincerely,
Jin
Britannica.com Customer Service
www.britannica.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Frederick Glaysher
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 5:33 AM
To: editorial-comments@us.britannica.com
Subject: False Bahai membership statistics on
Encyclopedia Britannica
Actually the Encyclopedia Brittanica figure (6
million) is misleading.
There has been a discussion on numerous Baha'i lists for
some years
about the actual number of "active Baha'is" in
the world and the number
is closer to 1 million than 6+ million. The numbers
claimed for the
global south, for example, in such places as India,
Africa as well as
Latin America are often exaggerated.
cheers,
Nima
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In article <84l8ip$67f$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
patrick_henry@bigfoot.com wrote regard Washington Post
article:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/2000-01/01/136l-010100-
> idx.html
>
> "Bahai's 6,764,000"
>
-----
Patrick Henry <patrick_Henry@bigfoot.com> wrote in
message
news:s7123gsg5k2185@corp.supernews.com...
> I've emailed the Encyclopedia Britannica regarding
these
> false Bahai membership statistics.
>
[The Washington Post took as accurate the inflated
figure of Bahai membership and reported it in its paper:]
---
Juan Cole, in the following articles, places Bahai membership in the USA at 60,000, a figure that, in
my opinion, is still too high:
It is difficult to assess how reliable the numbers are below.
Recent claims
of 140,000 in 2004 are certainly highly exaggerated.
Baha'i Population Statistics
Document issued to Delegates to the annual National Spiritual
Assembly Elections, April 1979
Membership Statistics of the U.S. Baha'i Community:
|
| Category
|
Number
|
| 1. April 15, 1978
|
| In possession of Administrative Rights:
|
70, 248
|
| Without Administrative Rights:
|
1,850
|
| Total:
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71,899
|
| Gains as of 15 April 1979:
|
| New Enrollments:
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5, 417
|
| Transfers-in - Pioneers
|
118
|
| Transfers-in - Non-Pioneers:
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1, 832
|
| Reinstatements from Withdrawals:
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37
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| Administrative Corrections:
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29
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| Total:
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7, 433
|
| Losses as of 15 April 1979:
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| Deaths:
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612
|
| Transfers Out - Non-Pioneers:
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394
|
| Transfers Out - Pioneers:
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153
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| Withdrawals:
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633
|
| Administrative Corrections:
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119
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| Prisoners:
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15
|
| Mental Patients/Institutionalized:
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10
|
| Total:
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1,936 |
| 2. Total Baha'is as of 15 April 1979:
|
| Total Baha'i Membership as of 15 April
1979:
|
77,396
|
| In Possession of Administrative Rights:
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75,448
|
| Without Administrative Rights:
|
1,948
|
| Total Membership:
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77,396
|
| The Total membership of Baha'is in
possession of their administrative rights is categorized as follows:
|
| Category
|
Adults
|
Youth
|
Total
|
| Total Baha'is with Known Addresses:
|
45,389
|
2,968
|
48,357
|
| Baha'is CategorIzed as "Address Unknown:"
|
14,525
|
241
|
14,766
|
| Mail Returns and Unidentifiable Other than Address Unknown
|
11,941
|
384
|
12,325
|
| Totals as of 15 April 1979
|
71,755
|
3,593
|
75,448
|
| 144 youth reached the age of 21 years during the
reporting period of 16 March 1979 to April 1979. |
Original at
http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/docs/vol2/usstats1.htm
India
The Baha'i administration for many years claimed two million members in India
and has lately it seems quietly revised it down to about one million. Many
people have always realized enrollment there was much lower. Here is a recent
email I've received on the subject of Baha'is in India which is probably pretty
close to the mark:
----- Original Message -----
From: [deleted]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:16 PM
Subject: [bahai] Interesting Reading
Dear Friend,
.... Sadly, the emphasis today is on attending courses and increasing numbers.
In India there were 2 million declarations recorded some years ago! However
there are not even 5000 "active" members....
Warm regards,
[deleted]
Other views and approaches regarding Baha'i membership statistics:
From: avicenna9012...@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.bahai
Subject: Baha'i Census is a big LIE with wildly exaggerated number of adherents
and localities
Date: 5 Aug 2005 08:00:11 -0700
The Baha'i census that claim 6 to 7.2 million adherents is -A LIE- A
LIE- an actual exaggeration of the real numbers.
It is estimated that there are no more than ***ONE Million*** real
Baha'is worldwide.
Now below one finds wildly exaggerated number of localities- on the
lower end we see 18,000 localities and then on the upper end we see
124000 localities. Then there are statements of 100,000 and 110,000
localities.
Finally the number of countries and localities varies with each web
site. There is **no concensus** regarding the actual number of
countries, the actual number of localities, and the actual number of
Baha'i followers.
If one takes the estimated 100000 localities and figures that there are
at least 5-9 Baha'is. We find that the census is going to show 500,000
to 900,000 Baha'i adherents worldwide.
That should make anyone who is a Baha'i very depressed. Not 6 million,
not 5 million, but a little less than 1 million Baha'is worldwide- with
30% still in Iran and 6-7% in the US.
Henry Villar
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/f5df9dd0a518d1f0?dmode=source&hl=en
[It's highly doubtful that the 30% or 300,000 claimed to be in Iran actually
exist.]
SEE ALSO:
BANK FRAUD - Re: Baha'i technique of loan application (using false,
inflated statistics to qualify for loans)
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/BANK%20FRAUD.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "diamondsouled" <>
Newsgroups:
talk.religion.bahai,soc.culture.iranian,alt.religion.bahai,alt.religion.islam
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: The Rise of Bahá'í: A Protestant Islam
....Of the 3 million supposed Baha'is in India the greater majority are
from the 'untouchable' caste.
The primary motive for such individuals to convert to Buddhism, Islam
or Baha'i is in an attempt to escape the prejudice of the caste system.
I suggest you look into the Dalit movement in India for a better
understanding.
As William Garlington stated from
his personal on the ground
experience in India Baha'i converts in India are only required to
declare: " their belief in Baha'u'llah as an avatar". Thing is Warren
Hindus also believe that Buddha was an avatar but this doesn't make
them Buddhists. The Baha'i claim of some 3 million Baha'is in India is
most obviously bogus.
Something else you should ask yourself Warren is on whose authority
was Shoghi Effendi's stated requirement for membership in the Baha'i
faith ( the one used on declaration cards in North Amercia), waived?
The number of "address unknown" people who are claimed as members of
the Baha'i faith in North America is high. From my personal experience
the NSA's are always scrambling to keep 9 members in many communities
so they can pad the LSA numbers. After they get their numbers the
people who were sent in to 'pioneer' to the area often go home or to
another community so they can have an 'active' LSA. This practice is
well known and has been going on for many years.
Why the need to send people around to keep LSA membership up to nine
if the Baha'i faith is actually growing?
Truth is Warren that as Baha'is pass away they are not being replaced.
Not even many children of Baha'is are signing up? Why, because it has
become apparent to many people that the Baha'i faith is the same old,
same old; that the Baha'i faith is in fact indistinguishable from past
organised religions - more of a cause of disunity in the world than a
cause of unity.
I refer to facts and you resort to name calling, such is the way of
many Baha'is.
Yours
Larry
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