From: Glayshf@aol.com[SMTP:Glayshf@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 7:18 AM To: TOSGeneral@aol.com Cc: FG@home.com Subject: Fwd: Board Posting at Baha'i Message Board <> AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among our fellow bahais to run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING.... Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself, and non-Bahais on AOL.... The bahai community leader is harassing me trying to suppress all knowledge and discussion about the major lawsuit against the bahai faith recently filed in New Mexico. Please ask him to desist. This volunteer leader regularly abuses his position and uses it to silence and attack people with whom he and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow Bahais disagree. Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan, discusses related issues in his journal article "The Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997": https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from people whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to fundamentalist sites and events.... A clear example of the way AOL is manipulated and freedom of speech and conscience are regularly DAMAGED by AOL's indulgence. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://www.angelfire.com/mi3/bahai/ ---------- From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:27 PM To: TOSGeneral@aol.com; TOSGen1@aol.com; FG@home.com Subject: Re: Violence as an instrument > >Terrorist cells around >>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad. > >I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11. > >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation. Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience ---------- From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:46 PM To: TOSGeneral@aol.com; FG@home.com Subject: Re: Former Vice President speaks out >>"My heart goes out to the Baha'is of Iran. They have suffered >>more at the hands of their countrymen than that cult in Waco." >> >>--Dan Quayle > >Rule, > >Did Quayle really say that? > >warmest, Susan > > >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation. Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience ---------- From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:48 PM To: TOSGeneral@aol.com; FG@home.com Subject: Re: Former Vice President speaks out >His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist. I'd be very careful. >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation. Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience ---------- From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:52 PM To: TOSGeneral@aol.com; FG@home.com Subject: Re: Cloning Around >and as such should be investigated and studied by scientists. (31 December >1937, to an individual) > > >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation. Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience ---------- From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:01 PM To: TOSGeneral@aol.com; FG@home.com Subject: Re: Are you going to allow slander? >Subject: Re: Are you going to allow slander? >Date: 9/6/2001 11:18 PM Eastern Standard Time >From: WScott1995 >Message-id: <20010907001831.20750.00000610@mb-fo.aol.com> > > >Shahid, > >I don't need a document. Anyone who spends as much time as Fred does trying >to make the Baha'i Faith and its members look bad can't be a Baha'i. It's >really very simple, isn't it? > >Love and peace, Wendy ~~~{~{@ >R >"There's only one race. The human race. You're either in or you're out." >Lou Mattoni (Scott Bakula), Mean Streak > The community leader, Shahid, Ms. Maneck, is selectively permitting slander on the bahai message boards. Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience ---------- From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:36 AM To: TOSGeneral@aol.com Cc: FG@home.com Subject: Fwd: Please remove posts. <> AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING.... Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself, and non-Bahais on AOL.... This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow Bahais disagree. Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan, discusses related issues in his journal article "The Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997": https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from people whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to fundamentalist sites and events.... Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:37 AM To: TOSGeneral@aol.com Cc: FG@home.com Subject: Fwd: Are you going to suppress my posts re talk.religion.bahai? <> AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING.... Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself, and non-Bahais on AOL.... This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow Bahais disagree. Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan, discusses related issues in his journal article "The Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997": https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from people whose views he opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to fundamentalist sites and events.... Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:40 AM To: TOSGeneral@aol.com Cc: LDRSLFSTJerry@aol.com; FG@home.com Subject: Re: Board Posting at Baha'i This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow Bahais disagree. AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING.... Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself, and non-Bahais on AOL.... Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan, discusses related issues in his journal article "The Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997": https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to fundamentalist sites and events.... Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:41 AM To: FG@home.com Subject: Fwd: Please remove posts. <> phone # ---------- From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:16 AM To: TOSGeneral@aol.com; FG@home.com Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"? TOSGeneral: Please find below yet another example of Ms. Maneck, Shahid, the bahai message boards community leader, posting her own URL while TOSing anyone who posts URLs to more liberal bahai sites. This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow Bahais disagree. AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING.... Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself, and non-Bahais on AOL.... Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan, discusses related issues in his journal article "The Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997": https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to fundamentalist sites and events.... Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"? >Date: 9/9/2001 9:03 PM Eastern Standard Time >From: Smaneck >Message-id: <20010909220324.18255.00001516@mb-md.aol.com> > > >>The apparent intention is indeed to suppress the Israeli newspaper report of >>the uhj receiving "irregular tax breaks." >> > >What those 'irregular tax breaks' are all about is the fact that Baha'is get >a rebate of value added taxes as a religious organization. >Big deal! I guess there are some members of the religious right who probably >object to anyone but Orthodox Jews getting those. But if Fred can make it >look like a case of corruption, you can be sure he will. >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > > > > > > > Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience ---------- From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:26 AM To: BenKucharski@aol.com Cc: FG@home.com Subject: Bahai message boards, URL posted by community leader Ben, Nice talking with you and thank you for your help. Please find the message I mentioned to you at the end, along several excerpts from messages that appear all over the bahai message boards. As I mentioned, I and others believe this volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow Bahais disagree. AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING.... Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself, and non-Bahais on AOL.... Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan, discusses related issues in his journal article "The Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997": https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to fundamentalist sites and events.... Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/ Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"? Date: 9/9/2001 9:03 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Smaneck Message-id: <20010909220324.18255.00001516@mb-md.aol.com> >The apparent intention is indeed to suppress the Israeli newspaper report of >the uhj receiving "irregular tax breaks." > What those 'irregular tax breaks' are all about is the fact that Baha'is get a rebate of value added taxes as a religious organization. Big deal! I guess there are some members of the religious right who probably object to anyone but Orthodox Jews getting those. But if Fred can make it look like a case of corruption, you can be sure he will. warmest, Susan https://www.susanmaneck.com -------------------- Further examples of Shahid or Ms. Maneck's unfairness on AOL scattered all over the bahai message boards: >and as such should be investigated and studied by scientists. (31 December >1937, to an individual) > > >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation. Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >>"My heart goes out to the Baha'is of Iran. They have suffered >>more at the hands of their countrymen than that cult in Waco." >> >>--Dan Quayle > >Rule, > >Did Quayle really say that? > >warmest, Susan > > >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation. Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist. I'd be very careful. >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation. Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > >Terrorist cells around >>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad. > >I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11. > >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation. Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience ---------- From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 11:23 AM To: BenKucharski@aol.com Cc: FG@hotmail.com Subject: Fwd: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i <> Subj: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i Date: 12/1/2001 4:52:13 PM Eastern Standard Time From: LDRS LFST Shahid To: Glaysh112001 CC: LDRS LFST Mgr, LDRS LFST Jerry Dear Member: Regarding your messages posted at: Baha'i Message Boards>Question to the Community Leader. To avoid further disruption to the message board, your posts have been removed. Please review Keyword: Message Board Product Guidelines and Keyword: Spirituality Message Board Standards for more information on what is appropriate in our community. Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review. Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot respond to replies. Please address any questions or comments to LDRS LFST Mgr. Regards, LDRS LFST Shahid Volunteer Message Board Host AOL Lifestyles Subject: Re: URLs Date: 12/1/2001 9:22 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011201102255.14937.00000202@mb-fr.aol.com> >The question has arisen as to the use of URLs. It is perfectly okay to post a >URL to a website on this board so long as the material on that website is in >keeping with the Board purpose, along with TOS and community standards. If >not, such a post may be removed. >LDRS LFST Shahid >AOL Lifestyles > And as a bahai fundamentalist you define and decide what is in keeping with the purpose of the board.... That's the problem in my opinion and that of many other people now for years..... Under such a specious interpretation of AOL TOS rules and the bahai writings, you may spam YOUR URL all over these bahai message boards? Is Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan, a real university unlike the one you tutor at, going to have his website suppressed while yours is allowed? AOL TOSGeneral and others should note Prof. Cole has widely published on bahai censorship on and off the Internet, including a book with Columbia University Press. Further examples of Ms. Maneck's unfairness on AOL, with only her fundamentalist website allowed: >and as such should be investigated and studied by scientists. (31 December >1937, to an individual) > > >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation. Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Frederick Glaysher Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >>"My heart goes out to the Baha'is of Iran. They have suffered >>more at the hands of their countrymen than that cult in Waco." >> >>--Dan Quayle > >Rule, > >Did Quayle really say that? > >warmest, Susan > > >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation. Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Frederick Glaysher Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist. I'd be very careful. >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation. Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Frederick Glaysher Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > >Terrorist cells around >>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad. > >I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11. > >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation. Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Frederick Glaysher Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Community Leader concealing evidence of her abusing TOS rules Date: 11/30/2001 6:38 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011130073827.09100.00000004@mb-mv.aol.com> Shahid, Ms. Maneck, is removing messages of hers in which she spams her URL all over AOL bahai messages boards while suppressing and TOSing fellow bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist views. I ask the TOSGeneral to please ask her to desist or replace her who someone who can be a fair and impartial community leader. Frederick Glaysher Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Open Letter to TOSGeneral Date: 11/30/2001 7:44 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011130084420.09100.00000016@mb-mv.aol.com> This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow Bahais disagree. AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING.... Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself, and non-Bahais on AOL.... Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan, discusses related issues in his journal article "The Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997": https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to fundamentalist sites and events.... Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Frederick Glaysher Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"? Date: 11/30/2001 8:16 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011130091605.09100.00000022@mb-mv.aol.com> TOSGeneral: Please find below yet another example of Ms. Maneck, Shahid, the bahai message boards community leader, posting her own URL while TOSing anyone who posts URLs to more liberal bahai sites. This volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow Bahais disagree. AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING.... Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself, and non-Bahais on AOL.... Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan, discusses related issues in his journal article "The Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997": https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to fundamentalist sites and events.... Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"? >Date: 9/9/2001 9:03 PM Eastern Standard Time >From: Smaneck >Message-id: <20010909220324.18255.00001516@mb-md.aol.com> > > >>The apparent intention is indeed to suppress the Israeli newspaper report of >>the uhj receiving "irregular tax breaks." >> > >What those 'irregular tax breaks' are all about is the fact that Baha'is get >a rebate of value added taxes as a religious organization. >Big deal! I guess there are some members of the religious right who probably >object to anyone but Orthodox Jews getting those. But if Fred can make it >look like a case of corruption, you can be sure he will. >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > > > > > > > Frederick Glaysher Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Frederick Glaysher Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Disagreements with TOS and/or community guidelines Date: 12/1/2001 9:26 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011201102602.14937.00000203@mb-fr.aol.com> >Subject: Disagreements with TOS and/or community guidelines >Date: 12/1/2001 4:12 AM Eastern Standard Time >From: LDRS LFST Shahid >Message-id: <20011201041245.02572.00000303@mb-dh.aol.com> > > > >Hey everyone :) I know that strong opinions abound, but please remember >that the message boards are not the place to carry on personal arguments nor >disagreements of TOS and/or community guidelines. > >The best sources of information for questions or disagreements with actions >taken are LDRS LFST Mgr, TOSGeneral, or Keyword TOSQuestions. > >Thank you for understanding everyone :) > >LDRS LFST Shahid >AOL Lifestyles > You're making an utterly false appeareance here of fairness and reasonableness. Anyone remotely familiar with your history of censorship and coercion of conscience on AOL will not fail to recognize what you're really doing here. Frederick Glaysher Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress my posts re talk.religion.bahai? Date: 12/1/2001 9:38 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011201103847.14937.00000205@mb-fr.aol.com> Your suggestion here is completely bogus. I have not posted the same message. Your distorting and misrepresenting my posts in order to suit your fundamentalist motives and justify your wish to fraudulently TOS me. You're obviously playing to the choir, the TOSGeneral in this case. The repeated posting of your URL is okay, though, of course.... >Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress my posts re talk.religion.bahai? >Date: 11/30/2001 1:08 AM Eastern Standard Time >From: LDRS LFST Shahid >Message-id: <20011130010806.12953.00000033@mb-ch.aol.com> > > >Dear friends, > >I would like to remind everyone that a given post should only be made once on >this board within any thirty day period. Otherwise it constitutes spam and as >such will be considered disruptive. >LDRS LFST Shahid >AOL Lifestyles > > > > > > Frederick Glaysher Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience ---------- From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 11:26 AM To: FG@hotmail.com Subject: Fwd: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i <> not the message I had posted; I had deleted URLs to my website ---------- From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 11:48 AM To: benkucharski@aol.com; FG@hotmail.com Subject: Re: The hypocrisy of Shahid's censorship Rule, As a bahai for more than 25 years, I couldn't agree more with your analysis of the way things stand in the bahai faith and here on AOL. Thanks for your courage and persistence under severe conditions.... Fred >Subject: The hypocrisy of Shahid's censorship >Date: 12/2/2001 12:36 AM Eastern Standard Time >From: Ruletherod >Message-id: <20011202003621.16383.00000295@mb-ma.aol.com> > > >Subject: Hate Speech >Date: 12/1/2001 4:57 PM >From: LDRS LFST Shahid > > > >Dear Members, > >Please keep in mind that this board is dedicated to discussion of the Baha'i >Faith. We should avoid making derogatory comments about other religions here. >Also, keep in mind that postings which contain hate speech and urge violence >are not acceptable in any area of the service. > >LDRS LFST Shahid >AOL Lifestyles > > > This is just plain old-fashioned censorship; you're overreacting >again. You're trying to impose a sugarcoated world here in the name of >the Baha'i Faith. Everything has to be politically correct! > > I think all of the derogatory talk about "covenant-breakers" being a >"spiritual-illness" and the like is hate speech...but Baha'is have their >double-standards about all this. > > The Taliban and the tyrants in Iran have one thing in common >with Baha'is: censorship -- the suppression of free speech. As long >as this happens, the world will reject the Baha'i Faith the way it has >Fascism. > > What have you learned from the past, Shahid? >You certainly know nothing about McCarthyism. > >--Rule > Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience ---------- From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 6:16 PM To: FG@home.com Cc: LDRSLFSTMgr@aol.com; LDRSLFSTJerry@aol.com Subject: Re: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i I believe LDRS LFST Shahid the community leader of the bahai message boards is either TOSing me a second for the very same message or has changed the second message I posted under Questions to Community Leaders in which I had deleted the link to my website. Please consult my original posts to determine whether she has added my links back in and then passed it off to you as my message in order to re-TOS me. Thank you. Fred Glaysher Subj: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i Date: 12/1/2001 5:24:30 PM Eastern Standard Time From: LDRS LFST Shahid To: Glaysh112001 CC: LDRS LFST Mgr, LDRS LFST Jerry Dear Member: Regarding your messages posted at: Baha'i Message Boards>General Discussion To avoid further disruption to the message board, your posts have been removed. Please review Keyword: Message Board Product Guidelines and Keyword: Spirituality Message Board Standards for more information on what is appropriate in our community. Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review. Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot respond to replies. Please address any questions or comments to LDRS LFST Mgr. Regards, LDRS LFST Shahid Volunteer Message Board Host AOL Lifestyles Subject: Re: NM Lawsuit - Summary of Hearing to Dismiss Date: 11/28/2001 11:23 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011128122319.22507.00003580@mb-cg.aol.com> >>New Mexico LAWSUIT against bahai institutions for FRAUD & LIBEL > >Oh, you mean that case that got thrown out of court! >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation. Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship Subject: Re: Violence as an instrument Date: 11/28/2001 11:27 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011128122703.22507.00003583@mb-cg.aol.com> > >Terrorist cells around >>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad. > >I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11. > >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation. Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship Subject: Re: Former Vice President speaks out Date: 11/28/2001 11:46 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011128124622.13024.00002523@mb-mg.aol.com> >>"My heart goes out to the Baha'is of Iran. They have suffered >>more at the hands of their countrymen than that cult in Waco." >> >>--Dan Quayle > >Rule, > >Did Quayle really say that? > >warmest, Susan > > >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation. Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship Frederick Glaysher Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Former Vice President speaks out Date: 11/28/2001 11:48 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011128124832.13024.00002526@mb-mg.aol.com> >His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist. I'd be very careful. >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation. Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship Frederick Glaysher Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience ---------- From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:35 AM To: Cat@aol.com; BenKucharski@aol.com Cc: FG@hotmail.com Subject: Community Leader on Bahai message boards posts her URL bahai message boards>Question to the Community Leaders >Subject: URLs >Date: 12/1/2001 4:15 AM Eastern Standard Time >From: LDRS LFST Shahid >Message-id: <20011201041527.02572.00000304@mb-dh.aol.com> > > >Dear Members, > >The question has arisen as to the use of t URLs. Iis perfectly okay to post a >URL to a website on this board so long as the material on that website is in >keeping with the Board purpose, along with TOS and community standards. If >not, such a post may be removed. >LDRS LFST Shahid >AOL Lifestyles I'm emailing Ben Kucharski and the Community Action Team because it's proving impossible to get the attention of anyone at AOL other than your form responses from the TOSGeneral that refer me back to the community leader, WHO IS THE PROBLEM and IS UNFAIRLY MANIPULATING TOS RULES!!! The community leader of the bahai message boards, Shahid or Susan Maneck, is regularly TOSing more liberal-minded people for posting URLs while posting dozens of copies of her URL to her own fundamentalist website. As I mentioned, I and other liberal-minded bahais believe this volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow Bahais disagree. AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING.... Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself, and non-Bahais on AOL.... It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to fundamentalist sites and events.... I'm only asking for fairness! IF we shouldn't post URLs, neither should she! She has now turned it into a "policy" permitting her to judge what is in "keeping with the Board purpose" while suppressing anyone who disagrees with her. See all of the examples below, scattered all over the bahai message boards. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/ Subject: Re: Are you going to suppress "irregular tax breaks"? Date: 9/9/2001 9:03 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Smaneck Message-id: <20010909220324.18255.00001516@mb-md.aol.com> >The apparent intention is indeed to suppress the Israeli newspaper report of >the uhj receiving "irregular tax breaks." > What those 'irregular tax breaks' are all about is the fact that Baha'is get a rebate of value added taxes as a religious organization. Big deal! I guess there are some members of the religious right who probably object to anyone but Orthodox Jews getting those. But if Fred can make it look like a case of corruption, you can be sure he will. warmest, Susan https://www.susanmaneck.com -------------------- Further examples of Shahid or Ms. Maneck's unfairness on AOL scattered all over the bahai message boards: >and as such should be investigated and studied by scientists. (31 December >1937, to an individual) > > >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation. Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >>"My heart goes out to the Baha'is of Iran. They have suffered >>more at the hands of their countrymen than that cult in Waco." >> >>--Dan Quayle > >Rule, > >Did Quayle really say that? > >warmest, Susan > > >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation. Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >His wife is a Christian Reconstructionalist. I'd be very careful. >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation. Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Or please explain for me and other bahais on the bahai message boards why she is permitted to post her fundamentalist URL while others are not. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > >Terrorist cells around >>the world are waiting for the green light of jihad. > >I believe the 'green light' was given on Sept. 11. > >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com Ms Maneck, the community leader on the bahai message boards, is misusing her position by constantly posting a link to her website while TOSing anyone else who responds in kind, especially when they are bahais like myself who do not share her fundamentalist interpretation of Baha'u'llah's Revelation. Please advise her to desist or be tolerant of others who follow her example. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship Frederick Glaysher
Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience ---------- From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:32 AM To: FG@hotmail.com; CAT@aol.com; benkucharski@aol.com Subject: Re: URLs >Subject: URLs >Date: 12/1/2001 4:15 AM Eastern Standard Time >From: LDRS LFST Shahid >Message-id: <20011201041527.02572.00000304@mb-dh.aol.com> > > >Dear Members, > >The question has arisen as to the use of URLs. It is perfectly okay to post a >URL to a website on this board so long as the material on that website is in >keeping with the Board purpose, along with TOS and community standards. If >not, such a post may be removed. >LDRS LFST Shahid >AOL Lifestyles THAT'S not what AOL's TOS rules state, which prohibit, apparently, ALL URLs. There's no codicil on yours, i.e., Susan Maneck. Most normal people would call this a double standards. See below. Many other examples exist all over the bahai message boards. ------- like a case of corruption, you can be sure he will. warmest, Susan https://www.susanmaneck.com -------------------- >1937, to an individual) > >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com >Did Quayle really say that? > >warmest, Susan > > >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > I'd be very careful. >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > 11. > >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience ---------- From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:11 AM To: FG@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Proselytizing Your usual slander, clear and simply.... >ubject: Re: Proselytizing >Date: 12/12/2001 11:46 AM Eastern Standard Time >From: Smaneck >Message-id: <20011212114659.22386.00003182@mb-md.aol.com> > > >> >>When you, as a person who is not a Baha'i, come here and try to persuade >>Baha'is to abandon their beliefs and join your religion you are >>proselytizing. > >Dear Sunni, > >I don't think Fred can be said to have a religion. He has not promoted >*anything* of a positive nature about his beliefs, he has only trashed the >Baha'i Faith. Were he even to present an alternative Baha'i Faith here, we >would have to accept that. After all, even Covenant breaking posts are >permitted in this forum. > >What is confusing here, is that Fred continues to call himself a Baha'i >although he is not a part of the Baha'i community or any alternative. Nor is >he presenting any alternative vision which he calls Baha'i. And he would be >free to do that here. >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > > > > > > > Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience ---------- From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 9:12 AM To: BenKucharski@aol.com Cc: FG@hotmail.com Subject: (no subject) Ben, Contacting AOL like sending an email into the blankness of the universe. So here goes again: Please look at the 9 message thread at bahai message boards > General Discussion > My URL The "community leader" knows very well she is violating the TOS rules to her advantage while suppressing URLs to any more liberal-minded bahai sites such as mine. All I ask for is fairness from AOL and she is not capable of providing it and has not now for years. I'm tired of it and ask that she be treated accordingly or removed and replaced with someone who can be fair. I've used Notify AOL, Message Boards, Ask the Staff many times to no avail. The community leader in question, Shahid/Susan Maneck knows she can rely on AOL not caring enough about an obscure religion board to do anything about it. Please prove her wrong.... Thank you for your help. Frederick Glaysher glaysh112001 ---------- From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 10:39 AM To: SteveCase@aol.com Cc: Glaysh112001@aol.com; FG@home.com Subject: Bahai Message Board Community Leader I'm emailing Steve Case because it's proving impossible to get the attention of anyone at AOL other than your form responses from the TOSGeneral that refer me back to the community leader, WHO IS THE PROBLEM and IS UNFAIRLY MANIPULATING TOS RULES!!! The community leader of the bahai message boards, Shahid or Susan Maneck, is regularly TOSing more liberal-minded people for posting URLs while posting dozens of copies of her URL to her own fundamentalist website. As I mentioned, I and other liberal-minded bahais believe this volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow Bahais disagree. This has gone on FOR YEARS on AOL. AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais, such as Susan Maneck, to run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING.... Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself, and non-Bahais on AOL.... It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to fundamentalist sites and events.... I'm only asking for fairness! IF we shouldn't post URLs, neither should she! She has now turned it into a "policy" permitting her to judge what is in "keeping with the Board purpose" while suppressing anyone who disagrees with her. See all of the examples below, scattered all over the bahai message boards. I have extensive documentation of censorship on AOL available on my website, probably more a couple of megabytes worth stretching back for at least three years. See below. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/ DOCUMENTATION of abuse of AOL: "Recently, Dr. Maneck, A.K.A. LDRS LFST, Shahid, on America Online's Baha'i Faith Bulletin Board posted the following...." What may be expected from such a bahai community "leader" on AOL may be judged from Ms. Maneck's past treatment of opinions other than her own: https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck1.htm See her slandering other views as garbage: https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck3.htm See her slandering other views as litter: https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck7.htm See also messages related to her abuse of her AOL "position" : https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/AOL.htm https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/AOLcensorship.htm https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/AOLcensorship1.htm Continuing AOL Censorship by bahais 2001 https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/AOL2001.htm Those tired of Maneck posting her URL on AOL should see the relevant thread at Question to Community Leaders. Or call and complain at 800-827-6364. Also complain at Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, and then Ask the Staff, works well too. It goes over Maneck's head, as I was told on the phone. Incidentally, when you email the TOSGeneral from anywhere in bahai AOL space it in fact goes directly to Maneck, nobody else, which is again why you have to go around her now if you're tired of her manipulating TOS rules and employing her double standards on many fronts. SHE'S the TOSGeneral!! No wonder nothing results.... As a bahai for over 25 years, I'm very tired of her dishonest manipulation of AOL and wish AOL would replace her with an honest person who fairly allows all views to be heard. 1. (below from AOL member mrmahdi@aol.com Mr Mahdi) >It may be Maneck and the fundamentalist bahais >have a mole, in a sense, inside AOL who is protecting her/them, all the >more reason to go around her.... That is one of the reasons why I have yet to call AOL and report to them what goes on in the bahai message boards. I see calling them an exercise in futility and unfortunately that made me skeptical into thinking calling will do any change. It is also unfortunate that AOL does not have a system where members of AOL can vote for people whom they want to see moderate their message boards and other forums. You, me, and many people for the past several years have been harrassed by the coward bahai extremists. Recently, one of my messages was removed by the fanatic Maneck using the anonymous handle "Shahid." "Shahid," aka Maneck refuses to use her real name when moderating posts, something that the busta Mark Foster wouldn't even do (he as you know made it clear he was the moderator). May you Fred or someone else here can find a way to convince AOL to have a third party or a fair-minded person on AOL to investigate the matter and see the double-standard and outright hypocrisy of the bahai extremist domination of bahai forums on AOL. Because with taking this course, complaining to AOL will become something done in vain, unfortunately. Mahdi Muhammad --- Please do something to STOP the continual suppression of discussion here on AOL by Susan Maneck. Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience 2. >BASICALLY, hikmat as interpreted by Maneck means she may lie and deceive all >she wants in "service" of the faith..... It's her modus operandi.... Yes, her fanatical interpretation of "hikmat" has made her into a wolf in sheep's clothing. I that believe as a result, her and Mark Foster's bullying on the bahai message boards has led to people to leave the message boards in utter disgust of the double-standards and "good-ole' boy" system they got going on there where certain people have carte blanche while others (like me and you) do not. You Fred have documented on your site instances of outright double-standards employed by Foster and Maneck. I would like to ask you kindly to post in a new message to newsgroups and elsewhere the quotes of AOL members as well as others who complained and documented the double-standard and hypocrisy of Foster and Maneck and their extremist supporters. Forgive me for sound a bit pessimistic, but the I went through on the AOL bahai message boards have made me feel hopeless into thinking that fighting for rights on AOL will do any good. Maybe if we constantly remind AOL staff by either calling them or sending them emails about what goes on, then perhaps there will be a chance that justice will prevail. Hopefully something will be done and AOL will be heedful of our complaints and warnings. Mahdi Muhammad 3. >Forgive me for sound a bit pessimistic, but the I went through "Forgive me for sounding a bit pessimistic, but the experience I went through..." (I got a bad habit of not proofreading my posts!) At any rate, I would like to add that I know that the fanatical behavior of the "forum leaders" on AOL bahai message boards has led to not only people leaving, but having suspended and cancelled accounts over messages that do not contain profanity, slander, threats, spamming and so on. I have talked to people in chat rooms on AOL about members have their accounts terminated over posts that do not contain the above-mentioned things. Many of them thought I was lying or at least exaggerating because they thought it was too crazy to be true. Thanks to the bahai extremist domination on AOL bahai message boards, even the unbelievable has become a reality! Mahdi Muhammad ---------- From: Fred Glaysher[SMTP:fredglaysher@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:05 AM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: Bahai Message Boards Community Leader An AOL representative on the phone recommended I write Customer Service about the issue below. I'm writing Steve Case and Customer Service because it's proving impossible to get the attention of anyone at AOL other than your form responses from the TOSGeneral that refer me back to the community leader, WHO IS THE PROBLEM and IS UNFAIRLY MANIPULATING TOS RULES!!! The community leader of the bahai message boards, Shahid or Susan Maneck, is regularly TOSing more liberal-minded people for posting URLs while posting dozens of copies of her URL to her own fundamentalist website. As I mentioned, I and other liberal-minded bahais believe this volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow Bahais disagree. This has gone on FOR YEARS on AOL. AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais, such as Susan Maneck, to run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING.... Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself, and non-Bahais on AOL.... It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to fundamentalist sites and events.... I'm only asking for fairness! IF we shouldn't post URLs, neither should she! She has now turned it into a "policy" permitting her to judge what is in "keeping with the Board purpose" while suppressing anyone who disagrees with her. See all of the examples below, scattered all over the bahai message boards. I have extensive documentation of censorship on AOL available on my website, probably more a couple of megabytes worth stretching back for at least three years. See below. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/ DOCUMENTATION of abuse of AOL: "Recently, Dr. Maneck, A.K.A. LDRS LFST, Shahid, on America Online's Baha'i Faith Bulletin Board posted the following...." What may be expected from such a bahai community "leader" on AOL may be judged from Ms. Maneck's past treatment of opinions other than her own: https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck1.htm See her slandering other views as garbage: https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck3.htm See her slandering other views as litter: https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck7.htm See also messages related to her abuse of her AOL "position" : https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/AOL.htm https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/AOLcensorship.htm https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/AOLcensorship1.htm Continuing AOL Censorship by bahais 2001 https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/AOL2001.htm Those tired of Maneck posting her URL on AOL should see the relevant thread at Question to Community Leaders. Or call and complain at 800-827-6364. Also complain at Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, and then Ask the Staff, works well too. It goes over Maneck's head, as I was told on the phone. Incidentally, when you email the TOSGeneral from anywhere in bahai AOL space it in fact goes directly to Maneck, nobody else, which is again why you have to go around her now if you're tired of her manipulating TOS rules and employing her double standards on many fronts. SHE'S the TOSGeneral!! No wonder nothing results.... As a bahai for over 25 years, I'm very tired of her dishonest manipulation of AOL and wish AOL would replace her with an honest person who fairly allows all views to be heard. 1. (below from AOL member mrmahdi@aol.com Mr Mahdi) >It may be Maneck and the fundamentalist bahais >have a mole, in a sense, inside AOL who is protecting her/them, all the >more reason to go around her.... That is one of the reasons why I have yet to call AOL and report to them what goes on in the bahai message boards. I see calling them an exercise in futility and unfortunately that made me skeptical into thinking calling will do any change. It is also unfortunate that AOL does not have a system where members of AOL can vote for people whom they want to see moderate their message boards and other forums. You, me, and many people for the past several years have been harrassed by the coward bahai extremists. Recently, one of my messages was removed by the fanatic Maneck using the anonymous handle "Shahid." "Shahid," aka Maneck refuses to use her real name when moderating posts, something that the busta Mark Foster wouldn't even do (he as you know made it clear he was the moderator). May you Fred or someone else here can find a way to convince AOL to have a third party or a fair-minded person on AOL to investigate the matter and see the double-standard and outright hypocrisy of the bahai extremist domination of bahai forums on AOL. Because with taking this course, complaining to AOL will become something done in vain, unfortunately. Mahdi Muhammad --- Please do something to STOP the continual suppression of discussion here on AOL by Susan Maneck. Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience 2. >BASICALLY, hikmat as interpreted by Maneck means she may lie and deceive all >she wants in "service" of the faith..... It's her modus operandi.... Yes, her fanatical interpretation of "hikmat" has made her into a wolf in sheep's clothing. I that believe as a result, her and Mark Foster's bullying on the bahai message boards has led to people to leave the message boards in utter disgust of the double-standards and "good-ole' boy" system they got going on there where certain people have carte blanche while others (like me and you) do not. You Fred have documented on your site instances of outright double-standards employed by Foster and Maneck. I would like to ask you kindly to post in a new message to newsgroups and elsewhere the quotes of AOL members as well as others who complained and documented the double-standard and hypocrisy of Foster and Maneck and their extremist supporters. Forgive me for sound a bit pessimistic, but the I went through on the AOL bahai message boards have made me feel hopeless into thinking that fighting for rights on AOL will do any good. Maybe if we constantly remind AOL staff by either calling them or sending them emails about what goes on, then perhaps there will be a chance that justice will prevail. Hopefully something will be done and AOL will be heedful of our complaints and warnings. Mahdi Muhammad 3. >Forgive me for sound a bit pessimistic, but the I went through "Forgive me for sounding a bit pessimistic, but the experience I went through..." (I got a bad habit of not proofreading my posts!) At any rate, I would like to add that I know that the fanatical behavior of the "forum leaders" on AOL bahai message boards has led to not only people leaving, but having suspended and cancelled accounts over messages that do not contain profanity, slander, threats, spamming and so on. I have talked to people in chat rooms on AOL about members have their accounts terminated over posts that do not contain the above-mentioned things. Many of them thought I was lying or at least exaggerating because they thought it was too crazy to be true. Thanks to the bahai extremist domination on AOL bahai message boards, even the unbelievable has become a reality! Mahdi Muhammad ---------- From: Glaysh112001[SMTP:glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 5:19 PM To: FG@home.com; SteveCase@aol.com; TOSGeneral@aol.com Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck Mr. Mahdi, I suggest you email Steve Case@aol.com, post this to Notfify AOL, and snail mail a copy to AOL Customer Service, PO Box 10810, Herdon VA 20170. The number to call to complain is 800-827-6364. For those interested, I believe Mr. Mahdi's statements here under the bahai message boards at Question to Community Leaders>ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorshare essentially correct. I witnessed Shahid/Susan Maneck's unfair treatment of people of all persuasions on AOL and elsewhere for years. Extensive documentation may be found on my website about Maneck's abuse of her AOL position and her driving many, many people out of these forums. Thanks for trying to oppose her tyranny here. Perhaps someday someone at AOL will listen before they're sued over the censorship she has imposed in their name! Frederick Glaysher >Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck >Date: 12/19/2001 3:54 PM Eastern Standard Time >From: Mr Mahdi >Message-id: <20011219155440.01439.00000028@mb-mk.aol.com> > > >>Well, well, Freddy, I see you've made an interesting bed-fellow with "Death >>to Baha'is" Muslim militant, Mr. Madhi. > >Dr. Maneck and has committed slander as well as mocked my name, both I take >it are not allowed under TOS. > >I have not advocated the death of any group, including bahais. I have made >it clear many times on the Internet in newsgroups such as TRB that I have >many bahai friends. My beliefs advocate the FREE discussion of beliefs and >the promotion of having forums where people can express and debate their >beliefs with other individuals. The alleged statement that Maneck claimed I >made was taken out of context when the topic of apostasy was discussed in a >chat room. Maneck should not feel that since she is also a forum leader >here, she can slander fellow members with impunity. > >Also, my handle is "Mr Mahdi" not Mr. "Madhi." It is obvious that "Madhi" is >an attempt to mock my name by insisting I am "mad." I would like an apology >and the removal of Maneck's post. > >>Try and keep the white powder off the board though, would you? >>warmest, Susan > >I find this tasteless, especially for a "forum leader." Maneck, are you >making light of the recent use of anthrax as a tool of terrorism? Please >clarify for us your statements! >Mahdi Muhammad > > > > > > Frederick Glaysher
Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience ---------- From: FG[SMTP:FG@home.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 5:59 PM To: Yorgos Marinakis Subject: Suing AOL Yorgos, Would you consider taking on a case against AOL? See link below. https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22150-2001Aug30.html There's extensive documentation on my website about Maneck's abuse of AOL's TOS rules and censorship of liberals and others. See in the left column of my homepage. I have many, many messages attempting to contact AOL which they have always ignored, while she continues to TOS me and others, driving different views off the bahai message boards. I know a number of people share my grievances with AOL and have also not received any response from them. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship ---------- From: Glaysh112001@aol.com[SMTP:Glaysh112001@aol.com] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 9:08 AM To: SteveCase@aol.com Cc: FG@home.com Subject: SUING AOL - Re: Bahai Message Boards Community Leader) Your form letter below does not address the issues I contacted Steve Case about. One of your AOL Representatives on you 800 line instructed me to email Mr. Case about the continual censorship of the AOL bahai message boards. NOTE: AOL is leaving me and other members no alternative but to SUE in order to receive a fair and honest response to the problem of our fellow bahai who is a fundamentalist and consistently suppressing free speech and discussion. I have now contacted a lawyer and herewith request that you provide me with the name, address, and phone number of your lawyer. Sincerely, Frederick Glaysher glaysh112001@aol.com ------ Subj: Re: Bahai Message Boards Community Leader Date: 12/27/2001 10:08:20 AM Eastern Standard Time From: Steve Case To: Glaysh112001 Dear Glaysh112001, I am responding to your letter on behalf of Steve Case. Thank you for taking the time to write to us. As you can imagine, Mr. Case, as the Chairman of AOL Time Warner, is extremely busy throughout the week. As a result, his schedule does not permit him to respond personally to the hundreds of email messages he receives daily. He asked me to help respond to the letters he receives, so that all members receive prompt replies to their inquiries. To keep Mr. Case informed, we compose a monthly update advising him of the member concerns and comments received. Again, thanks for writing. Sincerely, Crystal Office of the Chairman ----------original message---------- From: Glaysh112001@aol.com To: SteveCase@aol.com ALSO snail-mailed to Customer Service: An AOL representative on the phone recommended I write Customer Service and Steve Case about the issue below. I'm writing Steve Case and Customer Service because it's proving impossible to get the attention of anyone at AOL other than your form responses from the TOSGeneral that refer me back to the community leader, WHO IS THE PROBLEM and IS UNFAIRLY MANIPULATING TOS RULES!!! The community leader of the bahai message boards, Shahid or Susan Maneck, is regularly TOSing more liberal-minded people for posting URLs while posting dozens of copies of her URL to her own fundamentalist website. As I mentioned, I and other liberal-minded bahais believe this volunteer leader regularly abuses her position and uses it to silence and attack people with whom she and the more fundamentalist-minded among my fellow Bahais disagree. This has gone on FOR YEARS on AOL. AOL's allowing the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais, such as Susan Maneck, to run the messages boards is neither FUN nor ENTERTAINING.... Please stop the basic violation, year after year, of our very basic constitutional rights, both those of fellow Bahais, such as myself, and non-Bahais on AOL.... It should be noted by the non-bahai observer, especially anyone involved with AOL, that the "community leader" regularly TOSes or removes links from people whose views she opposes but allows other fundamentalists to post links to fundamentalist sites and events.... I'm only asking for fairness! IF we shouldn't post URLs, neither should she! She has now turned it into a "policy" permitting her to judge what is in "keeping with the Board purpose"  while suppressing anyone who disagrees with her. See all of the examples below, scattered all over the bahai message boards. I have extensive documentation of censorship on AOL available on my website, probably more a couple of megabytes worth stretching back for at least three years. See below. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/ DOCUMENTATION of abuse of AOL: "Recently, Dr. Maneck, A.K.A. LDRS LFST, Shahid, on America Online's Baha'i Faith Bulletin Board posted the following...." What may be expected from such a bahai community "leader" on AOL may be judged from Ms. Maneck's past treatment of opinions other than her own: https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck1.htm See her slandering other views as garbage: https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck3.htm See her slandering other views as litter: https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck7.htm See also messages related to her abuse of her AOL "position" : https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/AOL.htm https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/AOLcensorship.htm https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/AOLcensorship1.htm Continuing AOL Censorship by bahais 2001 https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/AOL2001.htm Those tired of Maneck posting her URL on AOL should see the relevant thread at Question to Community Leaders. Or call and complain at 800-827-6364. Also complain at Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, and then Ask the Staff, works well too. It goes over Maneck's head, as I was told on the phone. Incidentally, when you email the TOSGeneral from anywhere in bahai AOL space it in fact goes directly to Maneck, nobody else, which is again why you have to go around her now if you're tired of her manipulating TOS rules and employing her double standards on many fronts. SHE'S the TOSGeneral!! No wonder nothing results.... As a bahai for over 25 years, I'm very tired of her dishonest manipulation of AOL and wish AOL would replace her with an honest person who fairly allows all views to be heard. 1. (below from AOL member mrmahdi@aol.com Mr Mahdi) >It may be Maneck and the fundamentalist bahais >have a mole, in a sense, inside AOL who is protecting her/them, all the >more reason to go around her.... That is one of the reasons why I have yet to call AOL and report to them what goes on in the bahai message boards.  I see calling them an exercise in futility and unfortunately that made me skeptical into thinking calling will do any change. It is also unfortunate that AOL does not have a system where members of AOL can  vote for people whom they want to see moderate their message boards and other forums.  You, me, and many people for the past several years have been harrassed by the coward bahai extremists.  Recently, one of my messages was removed by the fanatic Maneck using the anonymous handle "Shahid." "Shahid," aka Maneck refuses to use her real name when moderating posts, something that the busta Mark Foster wouldn't even do (he as you know made it clear he was the  moderator). May you Fred or someone else here can find a way to convince AOL to have a third party or a fair-minded person on AOL to investigate the matter and see the double-standard and outright hypocrisy of the bahai extremist domination of bahai forums on AOL.  Because with taking this course, complaining to AOL will become something done in vain, unfortunately. Mahdi Muhammad --- Please do something to STOP the continual suppression of discussion here on AOL by Susan Maneck. Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience 2. >BASICALLY, hikmat as interpreted by Maneck means she may lie and deceive all >she wants in "service" of the faith..... It's her modus operandi.... Yes, her fanatical interpretation of "hikmat" has made her into a wolf in sheep's clothing.   I that believe as a result, her and Mark Foster's bullying on the bahai message boards has led to people to leave the message boards in utter disgust of the double-standards and "good-ole' boy" system they got going on there where certain people have carte blanche while others (like me and you) do not. You Fred have documented on your site instances of outright double-standards employed by Foster and Maneck.  I would like to ask you kindly to post in a new message to newsgroups and elsewhere the quotes of AOL members as well as others  who complained and documented the double-standard and hypocrisy of Foster and  Maneck and their extremist supporters. Forgive me for sound a bit pessimistic, but the I went through on the AOL bahai message boards have made me feel hopeless into thinking that fighting for rights on AOL will do any good.  Maybe if we constantly remind AOL staff by either calling them or sending them emails about what goes on, then perhaps there will be a chance that justice will prevail. Hopefully something will be done and AOL will be heedful of our complaints and warnings. Mahdi Muhammad 3. >Forgive me for sound a bit pessimistic, but the I went through "Forgive me for sounding a bit pessimistic, but the experience I went through..." (I got a bad habit of not proofreading my posts!) At any rate, I would like to add that I know that the fanatical behavior of the "forum leaders" on AOL bahai message boards has led to not only people leaving, but having suspended and cancelled accounts over messages that do not contain profanity, slander, threats, spamming and so on.  I have talked to people in chat rooms on AOL about members have their accounts terminated over posts that do not contain the above-mentioned things.  Many of them thought I was lying or at least exaggerating because they thought it was too crazy to be true. Thanks to the bahai extremist domination on AOL bahai message boards, even the unbelievable has become a reality! Mahdi Muhammad X-Rep: 21 X-MailId: 3765729 X-Queue: 2 X-Mailer: SwiftMail v3.86 ---------- From: MrMahdi@aol.com[SMTP:MrMahdi@aol.com] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 2:52 PM To: patrick_henry@liberty.com; Glaysh112001@aol.com; FG@home.com Subject: Fwd: Terms of Service <> Greetings Fred, Here is the TOS violation notice I got from AOL. Bahai fanatics reported me on the bahai chat room for posting the "Answering Bahaullah" link. Bahais regularly post their links in bahai chat rooms and they never get TOSed. I urge you to also monitor chat rooms on AOL and see the double-standards employed by both AOL and Maneck et al. Sincerely, Mahdi Muhammad ---------- From: MrMahdi@aol.com[SMTP:MrMahdi@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 5:42 AM To: patrick_henry@liberty.com; Glaysh112001@aol.com; FG@home.com Subject: Concerning the lawsuit... Greetings Fred, I would like to ask about the possibility of suing AOL. You mentioned on the messages boards and on TRB about suing AOL for its constant refusal to heed customer complaints and take action against bahai ultra-extremism on its message boards and even chat rooms. If you do decide to sue, what would be the role of victims like myself in the lawsuit? Would I have to be subpoenaed as a result? I ask because I am working on music album at this current time with plans on moving to Los Angeles next year. Due to my background, I do not think I would favor too highly to travel to whatever court room and testify. But what ever I can do to help the case, I would most likely help you. If you need emails, newsgroups postings, etc., please feel free to ask. I hope whatever you do, in the end, we will get the rights we deserves as paying members of AOL. Sincerely, Mahdi Muhammad ---------- From: Bahai Faith[SMTP:BI*P*GS@liberty.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 8:07 AM Subject: Further samples of Maneck's abuse of her AOL "position" LDRS LFST Shahid Further samples of Maneck's abuse of her AOL "position" Subj: Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i Date: 12/23/2001 3:30:51 AM Eastern Standard Time From: LDRS LFST Shahid To: Glaysh112001 CC: LDRS LFST Mgr, LDRS LFST Jerry Dear Member, Regarding your messages posted at: Baha'i Message Boards To avoid further disruption to the message board, your posts have been removed. Please review Keyword: Message Board Product Guidelines and Keyword: Spirituality Message Board Standards for more information on what is appropriate in our community. Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review. Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot respond to replies. Please address any questions or comments to LDRS LFST Mgr. Regards, LDRS LFST Shahid Volunteer Message Board Host AOL Lifestyles Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL Date: 12/19/2001 7:56 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011219085618.01592.00000009@mb-ch.aol.com> Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, Ask the Staff goes around Maneck as well. I urge everyone to realize it's difficult to get AOL's attention but it can be done!!! Persist! Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: How to Report Maneck to AOL Date: 12/10/2001 6:45 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011210074556.11242.00002825@mb-fi.aol.com> Those tired of Maneck posting her URL should see the relevant thread at Question to Community Leaders. Or call and complain at 800-827-6364. Also Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, and then Ask the Staff, works well too. It goes over Maneck's head, as I was told on the phone. Incidentally, when you email the TOSGeneral it goes directly to Maneck, nobody else, which is again why you have to go around her now if you're tired of her manipulating TOS rules and employing her double standards on many fronts. As a bahai for over 25 years, I'm very tired of her dishonest manipulation of AOL and wish AOL would replace her with an honest person who fairly allows all views to be heard. Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: When is it o.k. not to forgive some one.according to the writings? Date: 12/13/2001 6:04 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011213070458.26004.00000008@mb-md.aol.com> >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > Spam.... Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL Date: 12/13/2001 6:06 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011213070646.26004.00000011@mb-md.aol.com> >Gee, that's news to me. > > >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > That's what I was told by AOL. Still spamming your URL..... Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Sharing Knowledge Date: 12/15/2001 7:02 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011215080235.12941.00000208@mb-cu.aol.com> >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > NOT fair.... Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL Date: 12/19/2001 7:56 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011219085618.01592.00000009@mb-ch.aol.com> Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, Ask the Staff goes around Maneck as well. I urge everyone to realize it's difficult to get AOL's attention but it can be done!!! Persist! Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: How to Report Maneck to AOL Date: 12/19/2001 3:07 PM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011219160728.06255.00000146@mb-mq.aol.com> We can also snail mail AOL with a complaint about Maneck's fundamentalist double standard or whatever. Here's the address: AOL Customer Service PO Box 10810 Herdon, VA 20170 Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Sticks and stones...a few lizard tails...some gizzards...and dinner is ready! Date: 12/10/2001 7:12 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011210081226.11242.00002830@mb-fi.aol.com> >Gee, where can I get that clock? >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > Please stop spamming your URL to AOL. Those tired of Maneck's double standard in this regard should see my note at Announcements. Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Sticks and stones... Date: 12/10/2001 7:13 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011210081359.11242.00002831@mb-fi.aol.com> >And even then, they must be doing this knowingly. As you know from your >participation on TRB, there are at least >three individuals lately that were engaging in the kind of activity I >mentioned. But they were not declared Covenant breakers, rather they were >removed from the rolls. Why? Because the Universal House of Justice >determined they did not really meet the criteria of membership and hence were >not wholly obligated to the provisions of the Covenant. >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com Now here's a sample of the way in which Maneck SLANDERS people on AOL.... Note too her double standard URL..... Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Why brainwashed Baha'is don't trust Prof. Juan Cole anymore Date: 12/11/2001 6:46 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011211074644.12731.00001739@mb-cu.aol.com> >The truth. >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > The truth is you are violating TOS rules regularly by posting your fundamentalist website URL while TOSing liberal-minded bahais like myself who attempt to present the other side of various issues. Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Ahh---the Pain - the Pain Date: 12/14/2001 11:30 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011214123002.29393.00000366@mb-ch.aol.com> >https://www.susanmaneck.com > Double standard. Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: My URL Date: 12/14/2001 11:35 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011214123526.29393.00000367@mb-ch.aol.com> Anyone else tired of Shahid/Maneck's double standard? The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/ Call AOL and complain or use Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, Ask the Staff. Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: My URL Date: 12/15/2001 6:42 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011215074232.12941.00000199@mb-cu.aol.com> >He does it so his post will be removed and then he can complain that he is >being censored -- denied his freedom of speech. He will also claim the >Baha'is are doing it to him -- he will not admit that he violated AOL TOS. > False. It's obvious to any honest person that Maneck is SPAMMING the message boards with her URL while TOSing me and others. She is in violation of the TOS rules which anyone may corroborate by calling 800-827-6364 or Notify AOL, Message Boards, Ask the Stafff. Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: My URL Date: 12/15/2001 6:43 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011215074331.12941.00000200@mb-cu.aol.com> >https://www.susanmaneck.com There's nothing cute about shameless violation of the TOS rules. Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Sticks and stones... Date: 12/15/2001 7:01 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011215080123.12941.00000207@mb-cu.aol.com> >ttention from her. ;-} >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > TOS violation # 3,452.... Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Sticks and stones... Date: 12/15/2001 7:01 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011215080123.12941.00000207@mb-cu.aol.com> >ttention from her. ;-} >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > TOS violation # 3,452.... Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Posting URLs Date: 12/20/2001 7:12 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011220081221.01511.00000315@mb-ch.aol.com> >I would like to ask if it is considered spam if a hyperlink for a url is part >of a signature line? > Not if it's her URL. Otherwise, it's definitely spam.... Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Posting URLs Date: 12/20/2001 7:14 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011220081456.01511.00000316@mb-ch.aol.com> You're not citing AOL's policy on URLs. Attempting to justify spamming your own? Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Posting URLs Date: 12/21/2001 7:07 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011221080725.20183.00000391@mb-ba.aol.com> >"We encourage members to provide hyperlinks in their posts where applicable, >but please keep in mind that those websites must not violate AOL's Community >Guidelines. Post a link to that quotation. THAT is not what more than one AOL representative told me on the phone. Further, your fundamentalist interpretation of what is "appropriate" is not the same as AOL's but reveals your manipulation of the TOS rules in service of your fanatical views. You've been violating the TOS rules with impunity for years.... Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Posting URLs Date: 12/21/2001 7:07 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011221080725.20183.00000391@mb-ba.aol.com> >"We encourage members to provide hyperlinks in their posts where applicable, >but please keep in mind that those websites must not violate AOL's Community >Guidelines. Post a link to that quotation. THAT is not what more than one AOL representative told me on the phone. Further, your fundamentalist interpretation of what is "appropriate" is not the same as AOL's but reveals your manipulation of the TOS rules in service of your fanatical views. You've been violating the TOS rules with impunity for years.... Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Proselytizing Date: 12/13/2001 6:01 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011213070118.26004.00000007@mb-md.aol.com> >that here. >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > Right. Still double-standard spamming your URL, I see.... Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: URLs Date: 12/16/2001 9:22 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011216102219.12878.00000468@mb-cu.aol.com> Deleting my message doesn't conceal the fact that you continue to suppress URLs of a liberal disposition versus your fanatical opinions.... The "community leader" knows very well she is violating the TOS rules to her advantage while suppressing URLs to any more liberal-minded bahai sites such as mine. All I ask for is fairness from AOL and she is not capable of providing it and has not now for years. I'm tired of it and ask that she be treated accordingly or removed and replaced with someone who can be fair. I've used Notify AOL, Message Boards, Ask the Staff many times to no avail. The community leader in question, Shahid/Susan Maneck knows she can rely on AOL not caring enough about an obscure religion board to do anything about it. Please prove her wrong.... Thank you for your help. Frederick Glaysher Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck Date: 12/17/2001 6:16 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011217071635.05612.00000905@mb-fo.aol.com> For insight into what is the result of the incessant censorship imposed on the bahai message boards by Shahid/Maneck, see below: --- >It may be Maneck and the fundamentalist bahais >have a mole, in a sense, inside AOL who is protecting her/them, all the >more reason to go around her.... That is one of the reasons why I have yet to call AOL and report to them what goes on in the bahai message boards. I see calling them an exercise in futility and unfortunately that made me skeptical into thinking calling will do any change. It is also unfortunate that AOL does not have a system where members of AOL can vote for people whom they want to see moderate their message boards and other forums. You, me, and many people for the past several years have been harrassed by the coward bahai extremists. Recently, one of my messages was removed by the fanatic Maneck using the anonymous handle "Shahid." "Shahid," aka Maneck refuses to use her real name when moderating posts, something that the busta Mark Foster wouldn't even do (he as you know made it clear he was the moderator). May you Fred or someone else here can find a way to convince AOL to have a third party or a fair-minded person on AOL to investigate the matter and see the double-standard and outright hypocrisy of the bahai extremist domination of bahai forums on AOL. Because with taking this course, complaining to AOL will become something done in vain, unfortunately. Mahdi Muhammad --- Please do something to STOP the continual suppression of discussion here on AOL by Susan Maneck. Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck Date: 12/19/2001 7:47 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011219084739.01592.00000004@mb-ch.aol.com> 3rd message from Mahdi on what Maneck is doing on AOL: >Forgive me for sound a bit pessimistic, but the I went through "Forgive me for sounding a bit pessimistic, but the experience I went through..." (I got a bad habit of not proofreading my posts!) At any rate, I would like to add that I know that the fanatical behavior of the "forum leaders" on AOL bahai message boards has led to not only people leaving, but having suspended and cancelled accounts over messages that do not contain profanity, slander, threats, spamming and so on. I have talked to people in chat rooms on AOL about members have their accounts terminated over posts that do not contain the above-mentioned things. Many of them thought I was lying or at least exaggerating because they thought it was too crazy to be true. Thanks to the bahai extremist domination on AOL bahai message boards, even the unbelievable has become a reality! Mahdi Muhammad Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck Date: 12/19/2001 7:47 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011219084700.01592.00000003@mb-ch.aol.com> Another message reposted regarding Maneck's abuse of AOL: >BASICALLY, hikmat as interpreted by Maneck means she may lie and deceive all >she wants in "service" of the faith..... It's her modus operandi.... Yes, her fanatical interpretation of "hikmat" has made her into a wolf in sheep's clothing. I that believe as a result, her and Mark Foster's bullying on the bahai message boards has led to people to leave the message boards in utter disgust of the double-standards and "good-ole' boy" system they got going on there where certain people have carte blanche while others (like me and you) do not. You Fred have documented on your site instances of outright double-standards employed by Foster and Maneck. I would like to ask you kindly to post in a new message to newsgroups and elsewhere the quotes of AOL members as well as others who complained and documented the double-standard and hypocrisy of Foster and Maneck and their extremist supporters. Forgive me for sound a bit pessimistic, but the I went through on the AOL bahai message boards have made me feel hopeless into thinking that fighting for rights on AOL will do any good. Maybe if we constantly remind AOL staff by either calling them or sending them emails about what goes on, then perhaps there will be a chance that justice will prevail. Hopefully something will be done and AOL will be heedful of our complaints and warnings. Mahdi Muhammad Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck Date: 12/19/2001 2:57 PM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011219155747.06255.00000143@mb-mq.aol.com> Maneck and you are the ones spewing out hatred, slander, and distortions. Both honest people among my fellow Bahais and non-Bahais of discernment increasingly realize that fact. Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck Date: 12/20/2001 7:02 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011220080242.01511.00000311@mb-ch.aol.com> More smear and misrepresentations do not constitute addressing the issues of YOUR spamming your URL here on AOL and elsewhere for that matter.... Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: ATTN - AOL - Result of Censorship by Maneck Date: 12/20/2001 7:10 AM Central Standard Time From: Glaysh112001 Message-id: <20011220081007.01511.00000314@mb-ch.aol.com> >Mark Foster Foster was almost as bad of a "leader" here as Maneck. AOL representatives should look at my website under AOL Censorship for extensive documentation of that fact.... Frederick Glaysher Website: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience "BrentMReed" wrote in message news:20011227181358.03595.00001501@mb-cg.aol.com... > Miss Maneck, I have sent you nothing directly to any of your emails. The only > contact you have had with me is indirect - through my posts to the AOL Message > Board. > > And yes, you me a message under your AOL screen name LFST HostShahid. And you > were very angry because I had reported you for censorship. As it turned out > though, you probably received the complaint that I sent to AOL . The > "malicious incurable virus" arrived with your name as sender immediately after > that. If I sent you an email directly, please produce it. > > ---------- From: Bahai Faith[SMTP:BI*P*GS@liberty.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 8:09 AM Subject: Maneck's hikmat and deceptive slandering The non-bahai observer happening along here might want to consider Professor Juan Cole on Susan Maneck: I wish Susan Maneck well. We became friends in the early 1980s and I supported her, speaking well of her in the Middle East and South Asia fields where she was attempting to make a career. I have never harmed her in any way, and have until now practiced a sin-covering eye in her regard. However, she has behaved toward me in an academic setting with dishonesty and deceit in such a way as deprives her of the right to debate me publicly. She spied on me and lied about it. She betrayed confidences in such a way as to cause her academic colleagues to demand and get her resignation from a position she had held. https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Cole20.htm -- Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship "BIGS - Bahai in *Perfectly* Good Standing" wrote in message news:9vkso1$g6peh$1@ID-75545.news.dfncis.de... > Susan Maneck has a very long and complicated history of censorship and > coercion on behalf of her fundamentalist interpretations of the bahai > writings. Please see Professor Juan Cole's extensive comments below on her > along with Paul Dodenhoff. Many other insights into her behavior may be > found around this website written by many other people. > > For what Bahais call "hikmat" or wisdom or dissimulation, see Susan Maneck's > :"Wisdom and Dissimulation: The Use and Meaning of Hikmat in the Baha'i > Writings and History." > > https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck1.htm > > -- > Frederick Glaysher > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship > > > > > > ---------- From: Bahai Faith[SMTP:BI*P*GS@liberty.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 8:09 AM Subject: Re: Maneck's hikmat and deceptive slandering ALSO, The non-bahai observer happening along here might want to consider this 2nd message from Professor Juan Cole's on Susan Maneck: https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Cole19.htm -- Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship "BIGS - Bahai in *Perfectly* Good Standing" wrote in message news:a0hmrj$kuhfi$1@ID-75545.news.dfncis.de... > The non-bahai observer happening along here might want to consider > Professor Juan Cole on Susan Maneck: > > I wish Susan Maneck well. We became friends in the early 1980s and I > supported her, speaking well of her in the Middle East and South Asia > fields where she was attempting to make a career. I have never harmed her > in any way, and have until now practiced a sin-covering eye in her regard. > However, she has behaved toward me in an academic setting with dishonesty > and deceit in such a way as deprives her of the right to debate me > publicly. She spied on me and lied about it. She betrayed confidences in > such a way as to cause her academic colleagues to demand and get her > resignation from a position she had held. > https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Cole20.htm > > -- > Frederick Glaysher > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship > > > "BIGS - Bahai in *Perfectly* Good Standing" > wrote in message news:9vkso1$g6peh$1@ID-75545.news.dfncis.de... > > Susan Maneck has a very long and complicated history of censorship and > > coercion on behalf of her fundamentalist interpretations of the bahai > > writings. Please see Professor Juan Cole's extensive comments below on her > > along with Paul Dodenhoff. Many other insights into her behavior may be > > found around this website written by many other people. > > > > For what Bahais call "hikmat" or wisdom or dissimulation, see Susan > Maneck's > > :"Wisdom and Dissimulation: The Use and Meaning of Hikmat in the Baha'i > > Writings and History." > > > > https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck1.htm > > > > -- > > Frederick Glaysher > > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > > https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- From: Bahai Faith[SMTP:BI*P*GS@liberty.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 8:10 AM Subject: Maneck's "white powder" slander on AOL............ I believe AOL has left people who respect free speech and discussion no choice but to sue them. I suggest you call AOL and ask for their lawyer's email or telephone number. Tell them a number of regular users of the AOL bahai messages boards are fed up with their permitting Maneck and the other fundamentalists to suppress their rights to respond and post fairly. Remind the lawyers of the lawsuit against AOL filed by the Muslims in Washington, DC. Let them know this is AOL's last chance. AOL: 800-827-6364. Be sure to save copies of all emails or letters in order to document further in court the fact that every effort has been made to apprise AOL of the situation on the AOL bahai message boards. I have contacted a lawyer along these lines.... -- Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship "Mr Mahdi" wrote in message news:20011228065452.11823.00002076@mb-fx.aol.com... > >Mr. Mahdi and I had both expressed > >our displeasure with her double standard of posting her URL > >all over AOL while TOSing or deleting URLs to my site or others. > > Fred, the other day I got a TOS on my account after posting the URL > "www.answeringbahaullah.com" in a bahai forum on AOL. Wendy and other bahai > extremist fanatics regularly post their URLs in chat room and message boards on > AOL without ever being TOSed. > > I would like to know how can we make AOL realize the double-standards in its > own forums? I mean, I tried calling and other means but to no avail. There > must be some other means because if not, I might give up on all attempts to > notify AOL. > > Mahdi Muhammad ---------- From: Bahai Faith[SMTP:BI*P*GS@liberty.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 8:12 AM Subject: More on Maneck's hikmat - Juan Cole BASICALLY, hikmat as interpreted by Maneck means she may lie and deceive all she wants in "service" of the faith..... It's her modus operandi.... https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck1.htm For her "hikmat" or wisdom or dissimulation see Susan Maneck's :"Wisdom and Dissimulation: The Use and Meaning of Hikmat in the Baha'i Writings and History." For a Muslim perspective on Bahai dissimulation, see Amir Butler on ""Taqaiya" On H-Bahai: The Practice of Taqiyyah (Dissimulation) in the Babi and Bahai Religions by Sepehr Manuchehri ------ For Cole's comments back in January on Maneck's slanderous tactics, essentially "hikmat": https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Cole2001.htm Then click Edit, Find "Maneck" for message below and other comments: JuanFrom: "Juan Cole" Subject: Re: common ground Date: Sunday, January 14, 2001 3:20 AM I do not have the time or the inclination to spend a lot of time on usenet right now, but since I have been slandered (and not for the first time) by Susan Stiles Maneck in her recent posting, I am forced to reply (yet again) to these falsehoods. But first, I would like to make my own mea culpas. I retract almost everything I said about the faith on email between May 4, 1996 and January 30, 1999. I was very depressed in the wake of the false charges that were launched against me, and as a result had temporarily lost my faith, which had been at the core of my being for 24 years. I am a very sensitive person, and this was a nightmare ordeal for me. I had the misfortune of being among the first persons in history to live through such a period of disorientation in the age of the Internet. Lots of rightwing Baha'is were eager to misrepresent themselves as my friends so as to get out of me my innermost thoughts, and these have been archived in Haifa, and Maneck posts private messages from me from that period occasionally in order to discredit me. Well, if it matters, I know I said a lot of things that were overdrawn or overly emotional, in my hurt, and I disavow them now. I consider myself a follower of Baha'u'llah again, now (however much I am unwanted), and while I am empathetic with my unbelieving self, that is no longer me. I am glad to admit I got lots of things wrong. Peter Khan's family was Muslim before becoming Baha'i. An Australian Baha'i misled me that they had at one point been Christian. I was wrong. The members of the House of Justice have all kinds of cars and not just Mercedes. However, they do preside over a budget that runs to hundreds of millions of dollars, and their refusal to publish any budget breakdown does raise questions about the nature of finances in Haifa. However, if I got their car types wrong or imputed to them chauffeurs they don't have, I am glad to retract. Accuracy means a lot to me. Pilgrims had told me these things, and they were pilgrims I trust more than I trust Maneck, but where there is doubt one cannot claim certainty. Moreover, some of my motives in talking about the members' lifestyle were hurt at the enormous injustice they had done to me, which was an unworthy motive. >And the hypocrisy of their actions became increasingly apparent. They >would complain of censorship and then tell me when I was moderator of >H-Bahai that I shouldn't allow somebody to post because they were >an "ultramontanist" and a "big Nixon supporter." Let's talk a little bit about hypocrisy. From about August of 1997, when Maneck started secretly working for "counselor" Ghadirian, she began sending him regular spy reports of the confidential deliberations of its academic editors. She began attempting to disrupt the list and "muddy the waters" in accordance with her instructions. We have a rule that subscribers should have a master's degree or more in the humanities or social sciences, to ensure an academic tone to discussions. She suddenly announced that she was going to start enrolling persons without those credentials. One of the persons she proposed to enroll in this maverick way was a lawyer who is also an Auxiliary Board Member for Protection, and who is no academic. I said no. I said that, moreover, the person had kooky ideas about Nixon having been innocent & etc. I mentioned his thinking Dick Nixon was the innocent target of a smear campaign (!!!) as yet another piece of evidence that this person was not a bona fide academic; but lack of credentials was what was determinative. Maneck's announcement that she would ignore the rules and do as she pleased; her frequent rejection of posts from Steve Scholl and other liberals on purely ideological grounds; her vicious insults directed at a prospective liberal moderator with the intent of scaring him away from helping the list; her constant spy reports to Ghadirian; her expression of delight that a subscriber had signed off that she viewed as a 'covenant breaker' because she intended to mount a campaign on the list to firm the academics up in the covenant; were all capped by a demand that I resign as editor. Ultimately she voluntarily resigned from her editorship in disgrace because she inadvertently supplied evidence, in the course of her persecution of me, that she was spying on the list for Ghadirian. She later publicly accused me on this very list of having fired her! While I would have if I could have, that was for the Editorial Board, and she did not give even them the opportunity. The fact is that she was misusing her position on an academic list to undermine its independence in favor of the imposition of some wacky fundamentalist orthodoxy, and she is still sore at having failed. >When they tried to persuade me that the Faith had been > taken over by a secret cabal going back to Mason Remey and Horace >Holley, I *really* had to step back and ask myself just what had I gotten myself into? If you knew anything about American Baha'i history you would know that both those individuals were deeply involved in creating a rightwing Baha'i culture. As for a cabal, I was upset when I said that. But it isn't far-fetched that the rightwing Counsellors who have taken over the Faith have some sort of at least informal network that allows them to politick so successfully and to come to power and remain there. On the other hand, this phenomenon could be more haphazard. I frankly don't know. At the time, I was commiserating with someone I thought a friend. And people say I never admit having been wrong! > Then I was sent a rough draft of the Panopticon article and saw it was filled > with distortions about matters where they author had to know better. The Panopticon article is not filled with distortions. I believe every word of it to be true, and I believed so when I wrote it. And, I sent it to Maneck for her comments, virtually all of which I incorporated into the final draft. So, if it was 'filled with distortions' she had every chance to set me straight on *all* of them, and it is her own fault if she did not. > Meanwhile, unfounded charges were being made saying things like the House had > ordered Abbas Amanat expelled from the Faith which I knew simply weren't true. If that is what you thought was being said, no wonder you thought it wasn't true. What I said was that Derek Cockshut waged a brutal campaign to protest the Bahai Publishing Trust's carrying Abbas Amanat's *Resurrection and Renewal* in 1989 when it came out. And that the NSA took the issue to the House of Justice. And that the House of Justice wrote that it was all right to carry the book because Abbas Amanat "is not a Baha'i." Abbas, however, was and is an enrolled Baha'i in the US community, and he has never disavowed faith in Baha'u'llah. In the wake of the 1990 letter the NSA sent him several insulting letters demanding to know his conscience (I thought there was no confession in our religion?) He declined to reply, last I knew. `Abdu'l-Baha in the Hizar Bayti said we don't have the Muslim custom of declaring believing Baha'is to be infidels because we don't like their views, and I found the arrogance of the 1990 letter breathtaking. It was my first clue that something was very rotten in Haifa, and it wasn't just Wilmette. If Maneck turned against me because of this statement, she *reallY* wronged me! > Or I was told that the NSA of Canada had sold off a important collection within > their archives to prevent it from falling into the hands of academics, > something which proved to be utterly false. First of all, I've said publicly a number of times that I was wrong about that. It seems to me a relatively minor little affair, anyway. I got the story's details wrong, and a more knowledgeable poster corrected them. However, I am unaware that the NSA of Canada has provided its INBA set (manuscript facsimiles of the Baha'i Writings) to any scholars, and I think Maneck knows that it is problematic whether they would do so. > And something else would happen as well. I would start have arguments with > people on Talisman on basic issues like the existence of revelation and began > to realize that the people I was supporting didn't really believe in it in any > meaningful way. In other words, we had to be basically fundamentalists or neo- Calvinists or something, or else Maneck would gleefully join in the auto-da-fe against anything we said. Her idea of "Revelation" isn't dogma that all Baha'is have to accept, and her problems with deism are her problems. >But it was becoming increasingly apparent that if I went down, I > wasn't going down alone and began to realize that for the sake of >these Baha'is I needed to search for solutions rather than add to the >problems. So I began to behave much less recklessly. If you had behaved less recklessly that would have been fine. You turned into a Stasi-like spy, a fifth columnist, and an Inquisitor. And you decided that only by waging a smear campaign against me could you hope to make Baha'i scholarship acceptable to the fundies. That, you didn't have to do. These actions warped your personality and made you a poor Baha'i. > Right around this time there was a very lurid thread going on on Talisman > discussing some prominet Baha'i's supposed sexual indiscretions. Then Juan came > bursting on to Talisman saying, "I've been backbitten and so have you!" It was > in reference to a talk Counselor Gharian had made in London critical of the > Talisman list. Ghadirian's talk in London wasn't critical just of the Talisman list. He libelled me and David Langness and did all but issue Anathemas against us just as though he were an ayatollah in a turban. (And I thought you weren't supposed to backbite; David was a particular victim in this). Ghadirian should be careful. In the U.K., libel is easy to prove. As for the other issue, that a high Baha'i official resigned in disgrace from his profession for sexual harassment and then was immediately appointed to a cushy Baha'i job in Geneva was of interest to talismanians like Linda Walbridge. She had been threatened with being declared a covenant breaker for advocating more rights for Baha'i women, including service on the House of Justice. And here was a man in the old buddy system of high Baha'i administration who was actually promoted despite a public scandal that was in the newspapers. It wasn't just a matter of gossiping about someone's private life. It was outrage that innocent liberals were persecuted out of the faith and calumnied, but if you had friends in high places you could get away with anything. > Ghadirian. how his saintliness and love eventually overcame my fears and > suspicions. Oh, yeah, all the saints I know call meetings in London to backbite people, and then have their agents spy on people and make reports about their confidential conversations. Why, the KGB was full of saints in its heyday!! Maneck can't see that the only reason she got love-bombed by this manipulative physician was precisely because of his hope of gaining a spy "asset" known to be in close contact with me. And I have to hand it to him, he did a world-class job of turning her into a mole. >I began to realize that the House of Justice > was not out to destroy academic scholarship on the Baha'i Faith as I >had mistakenly believed all those years, It seems to be pretty arbitrary. Some people seem to be able to publish and not get in any particular trouble. Others are come down on like a ton of bricks, and it is not always clear why. I wonder if the unpredictability of it isn't intended to disrupt scholarship by making the academics nervous about saying anything at all about the faith. Denis MacEoin told me the story of how House of Justice members Ian Semple and David Hoffman threatened him and chased him out, destroying his faith. And, of course, we all saw what happened to the academics who dared speak publicly on talisman-1. >and that they did not eat scholars for breakfast Mainly they seem to threaten them them with some form of ostracization if they don't fall silent. But they do this to some and not to others. I have never been able to figure out why. sincerely, Juan Cole -- Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship ---------- From: Bahai Faith[SMTP:BI*P*GS@liberty.com] Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 3:36 PM Subject: Maneck on Juan Cole on AOL Subject: Re: Prof. Juan Cole - Cowardice of NSA Date: 2/9/2002 11:10 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Smaneck Message-id: <20020209231007.23060.00000356@mb-mb.aol.com> >Dear Pat Kohli: > >Since you have been out here backbiting me and using foul language and >treating me to a little auto-da-fe of your own in typical >Inquisitorial fundamentalist-Baha'i Style, Dear friends, For the record let me state what Pat Kohli actually did. Juan Cole had put up a post on TRB to the effect that the NSA had forbidden Baha'is from saying the prayer for America following the 9-11 tragedy or from publishing the same in newspapers. Based on this slander, he accused the Baha'i community of treason. Pat Kohli repeatedly demanded that Cole post the message from the NSA which Dr. Cole claimed to have seen. Now Freddy here, in his usual spamming style would constantly repost Juan's false accusations on TRB. And everytime he did so Pat repeated his demand for proof of this accusation. That apparently constitutes the inquisitorial Baha'i fundamentalism. I would think it constitutes the independent investigation of truth. So now Juan changes his tune. The NSA is cowardly, not treasonous. And it is now accused of refusing to blame any government (in accordance with the long establish policies of Shoghi Effendi) rather than telling us we shouldn't even pray for America. Juan writes: >appended to the message of a private individual below, the NSA urges >that Baha'is in the wake of September 11 avoid criticizing the Taliban >Government of Afghanistan. The statement that we should avoid assigning blame to any government is a general one and could just as easily be interpreted as discouraging us from criticizing US policy. >Not only I but >the poster below, posting in the same period, had heard that it might. > I heard the same things, and was not unusual in giving them credence. Ahh, but the problem is that Juan didn't say he had *heard* we *might* do this. This is what he actually said: "I have seen a directive from the US NSA instructing Baha'is not to say the> "prayer for America" publicly in response to the horrid assault on our> country of September 11." However, now Juan states: > I am glad to publicly acknowledge that the NSA does not appear, at >least openly, to have banned the saying of the prayer. But is he prepared to admit he lied about having seen the directive himself? > What >instructions it has given its legion of Secret Police (Assistants & >ABMs) behind the scenes we do not know. Right. Since the documentation demonstrates that Dr. Cole's former accusations were complete fabrications we will move on to other delusions which *might* have happened. But at least now Juan isn't claiming to have *seen* the directives he imagines. >I got that detail wrong in the heat >of the moment, and here it is. I got it wrong. Like Nixon, he just mispoke himself. > Unlike some people, I >don't claim infallibility. I correct my errors. A correction would have consisted of saying "I'm sorry, I lied." All of this is just venting at Pat for having caught him in a lie. But instead we get more paranoid delusions and threats along these lines: >But if you keep bringing me up I >will be coming after the cultists who have infiltrated and mutilated >the Baha'i administration vocally, with good evidence, every day. There was, by the way, a directive asking Baha'is to observe caution in the way they present Baha'i prayers for America to the media. The directive in question stated the following: "While it is appropriate to submit a Bahá'í prayer to the newspaper, to attribute it to the Bahá'í sacred writings, and to sign it from your localSpiritual Assembly, attaching any additional message such as the 1-800-22-UNITEnumber may not be appropriate and could create the impression that Bahá'íswere exploiting this terrible tragedy as an opportunity to promote our owninterests or to proselytize. Our genuine expressions, in word and deed, ofshared grief, sympathy, and prayers for healing, unity, and love are perhapsthe best that we or anyone else can offer at this time." Note that is not saying don't say the prayer for America in public, it is noteven saying don't publish it. It is saying don't *use* such prayers for proselytizing purposes. This is a far cry from the motivation which Juan ascribes to the BNC namely,"this instruction derives from a fear that Baha'is will be seen as pro-American." Indeed, elsewhere the External Affairs Committee makes it even more explicit what their motivations are on this matter: "Bahá'ís should be extremely cautious in their teaching activities not toexploit this or any other tragic situation as an opportunity to promote theFaith. If we were not sincere in our efforts when rendering service to othersin our communities, it would not only be counterproductive, but could actuallybe damaging to the Faith." I can only draw two possible conclusions from this, either Juan can't read a text or he deliberately twisted the truth. In either case his credibility is more than suspect. warmest, Susan warmest, Susan https://www.susanmaneck.com ---------- From: Bahai Faith[SMTP:BI*P*GS@liberty.com] Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 3:39 PM Subject: Re: Maneck on Juan Cole on AOL FYI Maneck has removed another message I posted to AOL from Cole as well. Subject: Re: Spirituality Forum Guidelines Date: 2/10/2002 11:07 AM Eastern Standard Time From: LDRS LFST Shahid Message-id: <20020210110739.23877.00001493@mb-fy.aol.com> > >I am very unclear on what was not appropriate. Could you explain please? Dear Paul, I try to avoid discussing individual posts and generally when I post messages like the one I did last night I cc it to the person directly involved so that there will be no doubt who I am intending. So if you didn't receive a private message you can be sure that it was not your post I had in mind, though as I mentioned some posts may be removed which are not in themselves violations of TOS rules if they are responses to a post which has been TOSed. But what I was trying to say in my previous post is that the Message Boards exist for the support and/or fellowship of the religion to which it is dedicated. Posts which aim at attacking the religion in question are therefore inappropriate. Usually before I start removing such posts I will put up an educational message such as the one posted last night. However, in cases of chronic offenders I may TOS the message without warning. LDRS LFST Shahid AOL Lifestyles "Bahai Faith" wrote in message news:a46i7n$1ck674$1@ID-75545.news.dfncis.de... > Subject: Re: Prof. Juan Cole - Cowardice of NSA > Date: 2/9/2002 11:10 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: Smaneck > Message-id: <20020209231007.23060.00000356@mb-mb.aol.com> > > > >Dear Pat Kohli: > > > >Since you have been out here backbiting me and using foul language and > >treating me to a little auto-da-fe of your own in typical > >Inquisitorial fundamentalist-Baha'i Style, > > Dear friends, > > For the record let me state what Pat Kohli actually did. Juan Cole had put > up a post on TRB to the effect that the NSA had forbidden Baha'is from > saying the prayer for America following the 9-11 tragedy or from publishing > the same in newspapers. Based on this slander, he accused the Baha'i > community of treason. Pat Kohli repeatedly demanded that Cole post the > message from the NSA which Dr. Cole claimed to have seen. Now Freddy here, > in his usual > spamming style would constantly repost Juan's false accusations on TRB. And > everytime he did so Pat repeated his demand for proof of this accusation. > That apparently constitutes the inquisitorial Baha'i fundamentalism. I would > think it constitutes the independent investigation of truth. So now Juan > changes his tune. The NSA is cowardly, not treasonous. And it is now accused > of refusing to blame any government (in accordance with the long establish > policies of Shoghi Effendi) rather than telling us we shouldn't even pray > for America. > > Juan writes: > > >appended to the message of a private individual below, the NSA urges > >that Baha'is in the wake of September 11 avoid criticizing the Taliban > >Government of Afghanistan. > > The statement that we should avoid assigning blame to any government is a > general one and could just as easily be interpreted as discouraging us from > criticizing US policy. > > >Not only I but > >the poster below, posting in the same period, had heard that it might. > > I heard the same things, and was not unusual in giving them credence. > > Ahh, but the problem is that Juan didn't say he had *heard* we *might* do > this. This is what he actually said: > > "I have seen a directive from the US NSA instructing Baha'is not to say > the> "prayer for America" publicly in response to the horrid assault on our> > country of September 11." > > However, now Juan states: > > > I am glad to publicly acknowledge that the NSA does not appear, at > >least openly, to have banned the saying of the prayer. > > But is he prepared to admit he lied about having seen the directive himself? > > > What > >instructions it has given its legion of Secret Police (Assistants & > >ABMs) behind the scenes we do not know. > > Right. Since the documentation demonstrates that Dr. Cole's former > accusations were complete fabrications we will move on to other delusions > which *might* have happened. But at least now Juan isn't claiming to have > *seen* the directives he imagines. > > >I got that detail wrong in the heat > >of the moment, and here it is. I got it wrong. > Like Nixon, he just mispoke himself. > > > Unlike some people, I > >don't claim infallibility. I correct my errors. > > A correction would have consisted of saying "I'm sorry, I lied." All of this > is just venting at Pat for having caught him in a lie. But instead we get > more paranoid delusions and threats along these lines: > > >But if you keep bringing me up I > >will be coming after the cultists who have infiltrated and mutilated > >the Baha'i administration vocally, with good evidence, every day. > > There was, by the way, a directive asking Baha'is to observe caution in the > way they present Baha'i prayers for America to the media. The directive in > question stated the following: > > "While it is appropriate to submit a Bahá'í prayer to the newspaper, to > attribute it to the Bahá'í sacred writings, and to sign it from your > localSpiritual Assembly, attaching any additional message such as the > 1-800-22-UNITEnumber may not be appropriate and could create the impression > that Bahá'íswere exploiting this terrible tragedy as an opportunity to > promote our owninterests or to proselytize. Our genuine expressions, in word > and deed, > ofshared grief, sympathy, and prayers for healing, unity, and love are > perhapsthe best that we or anyone else can offer at this time." > > Note that is not saying don't say the prayer for America in public, it is > noteven saying don't publish it. It is saying don't *use* such prayers for > proselytizing purposes. This is a far cry from the motivation which Juan > ascribes to the BNC namely,"this instruction derives from a fear that > Baha'is will be seen as pro-American." > > Indeed, elsewhere the External Affairs Committee makes it even more explicit > what their motivations are on this matter: "Bahá'ís should be extremely > cautious in their teaching activities not toexploit this or any other tragic > situation as an opportunity to promote theFaith. If we were not sincere in > our efforts when rendering service to othersin our communities, it would not > only be counterproductive, but could actuallybe damaging to the Faith." > > I can only draw two possible conclusions from this, either Juan can't read a > text or he deliberately twisted the truth. In either case his credibility is > more than suspect. > > warmest, Susan > warmest, Susan > > https://www.susanmaneck.com > > > > > > > > > > ---------- From: Bahai Faith[SMTP:BI*P*GS@liberty.com] Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: Re: Maneck on Juan Cole on AOL FYI Subj: Board posting at Keyword: BAHA'I Date: 2/9/2002 11:24:05 PM Eastern Standard Time From: LDRS LFST Shahid To: Fglaysh12002 CC: LDRS LFST Jerry, LDRS LFST Mgr Dear Fglaysh12002, Regarding your messages posted at Lifestyle>Spirituality>Baha'i Message Board>General Discussion>Prof. Cole on Kazemzadeh, Semple and al-Qaida> 2/8/02 3:15 PM To avoid further disruption to the message board, your posts has been removed. Please review Keyword: TOS and the Spirituality Message Board Standards for more information on what is appropriate in our community. Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review. Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot respond to replies. Please address any questions or comments to LDRS LFST Mgr. Regards, LDRS LFST Shahid Volunteer Message Board Leader Baha'i Message Board Subject: Prof. Cole on Kazemzadeh, Semple and al-Qaida Date: 2/8/02 3:15 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Fglaysh12002 Message-id: <20020208151544.08536.00000325@mb-fo.aol.com> FYI also on talk.religion.bahai -- The Baha'i faith stands for universal love, for tolerance, and for a separation of religion and state. The need for religious leaders to let politicians do the ruling is a key value stated over and over again in Baha'i scripture. Unfortunately, a weird Baha'i sub-cult has arisen. It structurally resembles al-Qaida, and differs from al-Qaida only with regard to methods, not ideals. It does not usually employ violence or terrorism (though persons with this mindset have beaten up friends of mind). And, most frighteningly of all, it has taken over and subverted the main institutions of the Baha'i faith. 1) Al-Qaida believes in the destruction of secular, civil governments and replacing them with a fascist theocracy. Baha'i theocrats believe in the destruction of secular, civil governments and replacing them with a fascist theocracy. Ian Semple, a member of the Baha'i Universal House of Justice, has for decades cast scorn on civil governments and spoken of his dream of a future when Baha'i Institutions will rule in their stead. One pilgrim wrote, "I recall being in Haifa in the '70s ('72 and '78) and hearing long talks about this from Ian Semple, on how the world was destined to be ruled by houses of justice and there will eventually be no distinction between church and state, with rather snide and smug comments about how at last the world will finally get it right and have God and Government fused through the power of the Baha'i covenant." Note that this is the opposite of what `Abdu'l-Baha says in the Treatise on Leadership: https://www2.h-net.msu.edu/~bahai/trans/vol2/absiyasi.htm Semple also put out a letter from the Secretariat of the UHJ: "As for the statement made by Shoghi Effendi in his letter of 21 March 1932, the well-established principles of the Faith concerning the relationship of the Baha'i institutions to those of the country in which the Baha'is reside make it unthinkable that they would ever purpose to violate a country's constitution or so to meddle in its political machinery as to attempt to take over the powers of government. This is an integral element of the Baha'i principle of abstention from involvement in politics. However, this does not by any means imply that the country itself may not, by constitutional means, decide to adopt Baha'i laws and practices and modify its constitution or method of government accordingly." In this passage he basically argues for a Nazi-like tactic of getting elected democratically and then abolishing democracy. By the way, the Islamists (with al-Qaida links) tried this in Algeria, and the democrats and secularists fought back, embroiling the country in a civil war that has cost 100,000 lives. This is the sort of conflict between theocratic Baha'is and the rest of society that Semple is urging on the world. At that point would the Baha'i theocrats refrain from violence? 2) Al-Qaida wishes to reestablish the Islamic Caliphate as the One World Government. Baha'i theocrats substitute the House of Justice for the Caliphate and envision it ruling the world. 3) Al-Qaida despises parliamentary democracy as corrupt, money-driven and unrepresentative. It wishes to overthrow parliaments and institute authoritarian religious rule instead. Baha'i theocrats despise parliamentary democracy and wish to substitute their religious institutions, which are not freely elected, for civil government. Long-time Baha'i leader Firuz Kazemzadeh said in 1988: "If somebody is dissatisfied with a local assembly, he is not prevented from appealing to the NSA . . . It is something else when whispering campaigns or petitions are sent around for signatures objecting to the activities of the institutions. That also may be something which is countenanced by American democracy but has nothing to do with the Bahai Faith. We must always remember that our institutions are an unusual and unique combination of theocracy in the best sense of the term with democracy. The institutions of the Bahai Faith have not been created by us, the institutions have been created by God. Actually, Kazemzadeh's version of the Baha'i institutions has been created by Kazemzadeh. 4) Al-Qaida establishes cells throughout the world to work for theocracy, and recruits innocent Muslims at mosques. Baha'i theocrats have secret cells within the Baha'i community, and recruit Baha'is at deepenings and other events into their twisted world-view. Many "Auxiliary Board Members" and Assistants are secret theocrats who play dirty tricks on ordinary Baha'is to force them out of the Faith. The Ian Semple/Kazemzadeh theocratic ideology aims at destroying American democracy. It aims at gutting the Constitution and abolishing Congress in favor of Kazemzadeh's weird, secretive, authoritarian way of ruling. 5) Al-Qaida demands absolute obedience from its recruits, and no dissent is permitted. Baha'i theocrats demand absolute obedience to "the Institutions" and tolerate no dissent. Kazemzadeh told a group of Baha'i intellectuals, "the word dissent implies separating oneself from the activities of the group and putting oneself outside the mainstream of the community, and that is contrary to Baha'i practice.” You can't disagree with the NSA. The dangers to the pristine Baha'i faith, with its values of tolerance, allowing the expression of diverse points of view, and firm commitment to the separation of religion and state, of this theocratic cult that has taken control of the community cannot be overstated. Moreover, it is a threat to the whole world. Now that we have seen where such authoritarian theocracy leads, on September 11, I call upon all Baha'is to step back, reread the scriptures, and adhere to the real values of our religion. cheers Juan Cole Frederick Glaysher Google Search Engine: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience ---------- From: Bahai Faith[SMTP:BI*P*GS@liberty.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: More of Maneck's Deleting of Messages on AOL. Subj: Board postings at Keyword: BAHA'I Date: 2/10/2002 10:01:37 PM Eastern Standard Time From: LDRS LFST Shahid To: Fglaysh12002 CC: LDRS LFST Jerry, LDRS LFST Mgr Dear Fglaysh12002, Regarding your messages posted at Lifestyle>Spirituality>Baha'i Message Board>General Discussion To avoid further disruption to the message board, your posts has been removed. Please review Keyword: TOS and the Spirituality Message Board Standards for more information on what is appropriate in our community. Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review. Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. Please note, I cannot respond to replies. Please address any questions or comments to LDRS LFST Mgr. Regards, LDRS LFST Shahid Volunteer Message Board Leader Baha'i Message Board Subject: Re: Prof. Juan Cole - Cowardice of NSA Date: 2/10/02 2:37 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Fglaysh12002 Message-id: <20020210143748.02080.00000733@mb-ch.aol.com> A word of warning to the unitiated: the community leader is a fundamentalist bahai who has presented a distortion of prof Cole's views. Frederick Glaysher Google Search Engine: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Prof. Juan Cole - Cowardice of NSA Date: 2/10/02 2:36 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Fglaysh12002 Message-id: <20020210143644.02080.00000732@mb-ch.aol.com> The post in question has been censored by the community leader. Frederick Glaysher Google Search Engine: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Spirituality Forum Guidelines Date: 2/10/02 2:39 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Fglaysh12002 Message-id: <20020210143950.02080.00000735@mb-ch.aol.com> Censorship by any name remains censorship.... Frederick Glaysher Google Search Engine: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Prof. Juan Cole - Cowardice of NSA Date: 2/10/02 2:39 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Fglaysh12002 Message-id: <20020210143929.02080.00000734@mb-ch.aol.com> >Thanks for the clarification on the background of all of this noise, Susan. > CAUTION - Non-bahais. Please read and decide for yourself on an uncensored forum: Keyword Newsgroups, Expert Add, talk.religion.bahai Frederick Glaysher Google Search Engine: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Spirituality Forum Guidelines Date: 2/10/02 2:40 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Fglaysh12002 Message-id: <20020210144045.02080.00000736@mb-ch.aol.com> >I am very unclear on what was not appropriate. Could you explain please? >Thanks > An opinion was expessed other than the fundamentalist one required by the bahai Taliban in Haifa, Israel.... Frederick Glaysher Google Search Engine: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Spirituality Forum Guidelines Date: 2/10/02 2:42 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Fglaysh12002 Message-id: <20020210144216.02080.00000738@mb-ch.aol.com> Censored, clear and simple.... Frederick Glaysher Google Search Engine: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience ---------- From: Bahai Faith[SMTP:BI*P*GS@liberty.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 6:26 PM Subject: Maneck seeking revenge AOL for my Letter to the Editor & Bacquet's Article FYI -- Subj: Board Posting at Keyword: Bahai Date: 3/10/2002 3:36:30 PM Eastern Standard Time From: LDRS LFST Shahid To: Fglaysh12002 CC: LDRS LFST Mgr, LDRS LFST Jerry Dear Member, Regarding your messages posted at Keyword: Baha'i>General Discussion. In order for all members to enjoy our message boards, our community has certain standards of conduct for members to follow. Please review Keyword: Message Board Product Guidelines and Keyword: Spirituality Message Board Standards for more information on what is appropriate in our community. Based on these standards and guidelines, your posts were removed to avoid disruption to the message board discussion. Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review. We appreciate your taking the time to read this letter. Thank you. If you have any questions or comments, please forward them to . Regards, LDRS LFST Shahid Volunteer Message Board Leader Baha'i Message Board Subject: Re: karen Bacquet's Article Date: 3/10/2002 9:35 AM Central Standard Time From: Fglaysh12002 Message-id: <20020310103546.05954.00001018@mb-fo.aol.com> See Karen Bacquet's article published in the American Family Foundation's Cultic Studies Journal to understand what is really taking place now on AOL's message boards: Enemies Within: Conflict and Control in the Baha'i Community" may be found on her website: https://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/enemies.html Frederick Glaysher Google Search Engine: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Letter to the Editor - O&E Newspapers - 3/7/02 Date: 3/10/2002 9:38 AM Central Standard Time From: Fglaysh12002 Message-id: <20020310103825.05954.00001022@mb-fo.aol.com> Damage control by fundamentalists among my fellow bahais.... See Karen Bacquet's article published in the American Family Foundation's Cultic Studies Journal to understand what is really taking place now on AOL's message boards: Enemies Within: Conflict and Control in the Baha'i Community" may be found on her website: https://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/enemies.html Frederick Glaysher Google Search Engine: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Letter to the Editor - O&E Newspapers - 3/7/02 Date: 3/10/2002 9:39 AM Central Standard Time From: Fglaysh12002 Message-id: <20020310103943.05954.00001023@mb-fo.aol.com> >warmest, Susan > >https://www.susanmaneck.com > For newcomers to AOL bahai message boards, here is a link that will provide you with the full story that the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais do not want you to know about: See Karen Bacquet's article published in the American Family Foundation's Cultic Studies Journal to understand what is really taking place now on AOL's message boards: Enemies Within: Conflict and Control in the Baha'i Community" may be found on her website: https://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/enemies.html Frederick Glaysher Google Search Engine: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: American Family Foundation - Cultic SJ - Article Date: 3/10/2002 9:43 AM Central Standard Time From: Fglaysh12002 Message-id: <20020310104306.05954.00001027@mb-fo.aol.com> You and other fundamentalists among my fellow bahais are not really fooling anyone but yourselves. Maneck regularly spams her URL and has with impunity for years now on AOL while she/Shahid or whoever the "community leader" is protects her while suppressing such links as mine and Bacquets which provide the unsuspecting with knowledge about the oppression that truly hides behind the facade that has supplanted Baha'u'llah's Teachings: See Karen Bacquet's article published in the American Family Foundation's Cultic Studies Journal to understand what is really taking place now on AOL's message boards: Enemies Within: Conflict and Control in the Baha'i Community" may be found on her website: https://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/enemies.html Frederick Glaysher Google Search Engine: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Avoiding spam Date: 3/8/2002 4:46 PM Central Standard Time From: Fglaysh12002 Message-id: <20020308174645.11900.00000747@mb-dh.aol.com> >Subject: Avoiding spam >Date: 3/8/2002 12:27 PM Eastern Standard Time >From: LDRS LFST Shahid >Message-id: <20020308122741.24729.00000289@mb-mv.aol.com> > > >Dear Members, > >I would like to remind you that it is contrary to to community standards to >keep posting the same message over and over again. Tag lines should be >limited to three or four lines, otherwise the tag line becomes the message >and when repeated constitutes spam. > >LDRS LFST Shahid >AOL Lifestyles Again, does that apply when you post as Susan Maneck, using your double standard to spam your URL all over these message boards? Frederick Glaysher Google Search Engine: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: American Family Foundation - Cultic SJ - Article Date: 3/8/2002 6:44 AM Central Standard Time From: Fglaysh12002 Message-id: <20020308074450.05994.00000534@mb-fo.aol.com> False. The uhj is not interested in hearing and addressing the concerns of honest bahais, only fundamentalists. What it is interested in is squelching and suppressing all honest and open discussion about ANYTHING that disagrees with its own views.... Bacquet's article, in the American Family Foundation's Cultic Studies Journal, presents the evidence: "Enemies Within: Conflict and Control in the Baha'i Community" may be found on her website: https://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/enemies.html "AFF (American Family Foundation) is a nonprofit, tax-exempt research center and educational organization founded in 1979. AFF's mission is to study psychological manipulation and cultic groups, to educate the public and professionals, and to assist those who have been adversely affected by a cult-related experience. AFF consists of a professional staff and a growing network of more than 150 volunteer professionals in fields ranging from education, psychology, and religion to journalism, law enforcement, and business." Further details about AFF: https://www.csj.org/aff/aff_about.htm Frederick Glaysher Google Search Engine: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Letter to the Editor - O&E Newspapers - 3/7/02 Date: 3/8/2002 6:41 AM Central Standard Time From: Fglaysh12002 Message-id: <20020308074110.05994.00000532@mb-fo.aol.com> >The Bahai's are offering solutions to a world that is engulfed in terrorism, >hatred, and fear. For you to discount this by attacking the Faith in the >paper saddens me. It makes your motives suspect as well. > False. The fundamentalists among my fellow bahais are not offering "solutions" to those problems but the very dynamics that create many of them as evidenced by the many lives that have been severely damaged within and without of the bahai faith by such practices. See Karen Bacquet's article for an excellent discussion of many such incidents, exactly what fundamentalists here on AOL do NOT want you to know about: "Enemies Within: Conflict and Control in the Baha'i Community" may be found on her website: https://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/enemies.html "AFF (American Family Foundation) is a nonprofit, tax-exempt research center and educational organization founded in 1979. AFF's mission is to study psychological manipulation and cultic groups, to educate the public and professionals, and to assist those who have been adversely affected by a cult-related experience. AFF consists of a professional staff and a growing network of more than 150 volunteer professionals in fields ranging from education, psychology, and religion to journalism, law enforcement, and business." Further details about AFF: https://www.csj.org/aff/aff_about.htm Frederick Glaysher Google Search Engine: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience ---------- From: Bahai Faith[SMTP:BI*P*GS@liberty.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 6:38 PM Subject: FWD AOL - Re: Article in American Family Foundation's Cultic Studies Journal by Karen Bacquet FWD from AOL's bahai message boards, General Discussion: In a very important message, Steven Scholl, author of Crisis of Faith, which enraged the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais, accuses Susan Maneck of lying and misrepresenting the incidents surrounding his decision to withdraw from the bahai faith. -- Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Scholl" <> Newsgroups: talk.religion.bahai Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Article in American Family Foundation's Cultic Studies Journal by Karen Bacquet > Several people on this forum have fwd to me Susan Maneck's comments on > the inner workings of my mind. Susan has a history of telling the > world what I really mean and what my true motives were in relation to > events surrounding my exodus from the Baha'i community. At one point > she informed the world that it was my belief that the Baha'i covenant > went null and void in 1921 with the passing of Abdu'l-Baha, which was > a rather outrageous lie on her part. She also claimed that she was > serving as my confidant and guide in the rocky days leading up to my > resignation of membership and that she was counseling me in some way. > In short, she has lied and made misleading statements about me in the > past and this recent statement of hers is just another example of her > lack of honesty. > > She writes: > > > > The real reason that Steve Scholl was so concerned is that at the > > time he received this letter from a Counselor he had already planned to do > > this big expose in the press (the Rankin article.) Steve was well aware that > > such an attack on the Faith after having received such a warning from the > > Counsellor would assuredly result in his being declared a Covenant breaker. > > If he had not been so determined to go forward with this, there > > would not have been a problem. > > Let me emphasize that Susan Maneck has never been privy to the real > reasons for my concerns and actions. That said, I am not even clear > what she is trying to say here. The statement of mine that Karen B. > quotes in her excellent article was a simple look back at one aspect > of my thinking about the internal Baha'i culture wars a few years > after the fact. I think the statement indicates clearly that there was > no big concern on my part about possibly being declared a Baha'i > covenant breaker, that the problems associated with such a move > against me would land more on my family and friends than on me. At > that point I could have cared less what the UHJ or NSA did re: my > Baha'i rights since they had already trampled on them for years and > had acted duplicitously and in violation of their own stated > administrative principles in handling my "case". > > Furthermore, I had gone on record in my correspondence with the UHJ > and Counsl Birkland that I would not hesitate to discuss their actions > with "people of capacity" outside of the Baha'i community and with the > media, and I had already passed on information to several religion > writers for major newspapers about what was going on inside the Baha'i > community. This was not something I was trying to hide from them. > > I don't know what Maneck's last sentence is referring to. Couns. > Birkland's threatening letter to me made it clear that if I said or > did *anything* he or his handlers disapproved of then I would be > declared a CBer. The list of my Baha'i crimes included theological > deviations and not accepting EVERY WORD from the pen of Baha'u'llah > and Abdu'l-Baha as true. Birkland made it clear in his letter to me > that he did not think I was a Baha'i and that he would not hesitate to > recommend my removal from the community. > > What I understand Maneck to be saying here is that my big sin was to > talk with the media about internal Baha'i crackdowns on intellectuals > and scholars, and that if I had not planned to spill the beans to the > media "there would not have been a problem." If this is what she is > implying, then she is dead wrong. First, if I had not resigned, I > believe I would have been declared a CB because I had no intentions of > changing my beliefs based on the fundamentalist rants of the members > of the UHJ. > > But what is telling in this line of Maneckian cult thinking is what > she is really saying: The problem in her cult view of the world is > the "dissident act" of shining a light on internal Baha'i affairs so > that outsiders (and insiders) can learn about what really takes place > in the Baha'i world. The great sin is ignoring the Baha'i taboo > against speaking out against internal injustices because to do so is > to tarnish the reputation of the Baha'i institutions. Good Baha'is are > expected to take their abuse in silence. If they speak out against > abuse, they are regarded as internal opposition and come under > investigation from the Baha'i Inquisition. They are villified and > threatened, even told that their status in the afterlife is threatened > if they don't change their ways. And, yes, this was a key element the > little drama that played out between the Baha'i leadership and myself. > What I told the UHJ and Birkland was something like this: > > I know you are all excited about emerging from obscurity and taking a > larger role on the world stage. Well, that means you are also going to > be examined more closely. Your financial misdeeds, your cover ups of > sexual exploitation by Baha'i leaders, your fundamentalist leanings, > your sexist views, your 1950s view on homosexualty, are all going to > be opened up for public scrutiny. Your days of a free ride in the > media are over. > > Susan can try to nip at Karen's heels and claim that Karen's article > is flawed this way and that. But such partisan harping is only > preaching to the fundamentalist Baha'i choir. Outsiders and many > insiders will read Karen's article as a clear and honest attempt to > discuss recent Baha'i events. Susan can try to attack Karen's lack of > "methodology" or that Karen's work is not serious scholarship. But > this is laughable when one looks at Dr. Maneck's publishing career. > She has penned a few Baha'i articles of marginal value published by > internal Baha'i agencies. In short, she has one of the weakest > publishing histories I have ever seen in academics and her academic > profile is nearly nonexistent. Maneck has attempted (unsuccessfuly) to > discredit the work of Juan Cole and now Karen with her Baha'i blather. > Yet it is Juan and Karen who are publishing in refereed academic > journals, and Karen has done this as a freelance writer rather than as > a trained academic. > > Susan, if you think you really have something to say, write it up and > submit it to a non-Baha'i publisher and see if they will accept YOUR > methodology and YOUR use of sources. > > Steve Scholl ---------- From: Bahai Faith[SMTP:BI*P*GS@liberty.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 8:21 AM Subject: AOL - What I learned in Baha'i detention - Ruletherod Shahid is the fundamentalist "community leader" on AOL's bahai message boards: Subject: Fred: What I learned in Baha'i detention Date: 3/25/2002 3:31 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Ruletherod Message-id: <20020325153116.18185.00000087@mb-fd.aol.com> Subject: Re: SHAHID RETURNS LIKE A POST-THIEF IN THE NIGHT! Date: 3/25/2002 6:05 AM From: Fglaysh12002 >removing every dastardly idea >from this board Well, in all seriousness, that is precisely the problem here on AOL's bahai message boards, which are regularly censored and manipulated by the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais. --Frederick Glaysher Don't you feel patronized by this kind of censorship? We have one adult (a religious peer) using AOL's ad hoc rules -- rules that generally suit the authoritarian mindset of the Baha'i administrative types -- to suppress the "improper"...or rather unpopular (politically incorrect)...expressions of malcontents. We had no active forum leader here for a number of months in 1998, you'll recall. Nothing bad happened. The board was at its most active and diverse. It was completely democratic in that no one was given unfair advantage. AOL didn't care that we were taking advantage of our freedom. But insecure Baha'i conservative and fundamentalist camps gradually pushed behind the scenes until they got a religious thought-policeman on duty to watch over us like we're a bunch of juvenile delinquents ...as if "they" were/are somehow superior in taste and wisdom. The way I see it, it was a religious coup on the part of self-serving and bossy Baha'is, mostly females....people I thought I had escaped offline. The religious extremists want their special place in heaven while making this Earthly life a hell for the rest of us. Each year, our public libraries produce lists of banned books -- books deemed too risky for reading by "good intentioned" religious folks -- reminding us how fragile our First Amendment freedoms are. The banned books represent both popular and classical fiction. But the government (so often blamed for everything) isn't banning them. Our fellow citizens are getting this stuff removed through loopholes in the law...or because they know that the squeaky wheel gets greased. In other words, if the righteous religious minority is out to censor our thoughts, they will succeed insofar as enough people do nothing to challenge them; to keep them in check. This is why I feel most Baha'is are probably unwitting accomplices in these First Amendment violations. Their excuse: "obedience" and "loyal servitude." ("It's the Covenant, STUPID!") AOL is merely a global enterprise...a moneymaking business. It has no moral authority over us, but our Baha'i forum leader(s) wants us to believe they do somehow. It's just a convenient front for extending Baha'i censorship onto the global Net....a "place" that's a godsend so long as it remains *free.* Censorship has no place but the home. Censorship goes hand-in-hand with religious fundamentalism or secular authoritarianism: tyranny and dictatorship (by whatever degree). I wish that all of the American Baha'i fundamentalists could spent a decade living in Iran or Saudi Arabia under existing religious censorship codes to finally appreciate why our democratic freedoms are more sacred than the Kitab-i-Aqdas, the Bible or the Quran. Without free expression, the Baha'i Faith would cease to exist. But the ONLY freedoms that authoritarian Baha'is are concerned with are their OWN: to worship, preach, dictate...and to control opposing viewpoints as much as possible. Children under cussing-age don't lurk here. Children are not concerned with the issues we've been discussing here. Only young, middle and old adults visit here. And yet the "children" excuse is one (among others) that's used to remove posts. The only "children" here are the adults...because that's how we're treated by our forum leaders -- as children. We're continually being patronized as naughty boys and girls. Let's make rules so we can censor the censors for a bleepin' change. That would be justice! Let's have a board mutiny! Let's invent four-letter words that no one has ever heard before! --Rule Beard ---------- From: Bahai Faith[SMTP:BI*P*GS@liberty.com] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: AOL - bahai fundamentalists suppress freedom of speech & conscience FYI Subj: Board Postings at Keyword: Bahai Date: 3/28/2002 12:22:03 AM Eastern Standard Time From: LDRS LFST Shahid To: Fglaysh12002 CC: LDRS LFST Mgr, LDRS LFST Jerry Dear Member, Regarding your messages posted at Keyword: Baha'i. In order for all members to enjoy our message boards, our community has certain standards of conduct for members to follow. Please review Keyword: Message Board Product Guidelines and Keyword: Spirituality Message Board Standards for more information on what is appropriate in our community. Based on these standards and guidelines, your posts were removed to avoid disruption to the message board discussion. Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review. We appreciate your taking the time to read this letter. Thank you. If you have any questions or comments, please forward them to . Regards, LDRS LFST Shahid Volunteer Message Board Leader Baha'i Message Board Subject: Re: SHAHID RETURNS LIKE A POST-THIEF IN THE NIGHT! Date: 3/25/02 8:05 AM Eastern Standard Time From: Fglaysh12002 Message-id: <20020325080531.00535.00000004@mb-md.aol.com> >Thanks for the removing every dastardly idea >from this board Well, in all seriousness, that is precisely the problem here on AOL's bahai message boards, which are regularly censored and manipulated by the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais. The real question is when will AOL personnel demonstrate a sense of understanding and responsibility for what they are permitting to take place. Frederick Glaysher Google Search Engine: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Re: Fred: What I learned in Baha'i detention Date: 3/26/02 7:23 AM Eastern Standard Time From: Fglaysh12002 Message-id: <20020326072317.00989.00000336@mb-cu.aol.com> Rule, I couldn't agree more with everything you say here.... Maybe AOL has to be sued before they wake up to what's going on around here on the bahai messages boards, the way the Muslims are now suing AOL.... Frederick Glaysher Google Search Engine: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: Maneck/Shahid's Duplicity Date: 3/25/02 8:03 AM Eastern Standard Time From: Fglaysh12002 Message-id: <20020325080325.00535.00000003@mb-md.aol.com> ATTN - AOL Personnel We're still waiting for an answer and justice here on these bahai message boards. Please appoint someone who can be fair and honest. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher Google Search Engine: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Subject: ATTN - AOL Personnel Date: 3/25/02 8:35 AM Eastern Standard Time From: Fglaysh12002 Message-id: <20020325083530.02614.00000008@mb-dh.aol.com> I highly recommend Karen Bacquet's article in the American Family Foundation's Cultic Studies Journal, to any AOL representative attempting to understand what is taking place here on these bahai message boards, as perhaps the best introduction: "Enemies Within: Conflict and Control in the Baha'i Community" may be found on her website: https://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/enemies.html See note below from the AFF's website. Again, I request that AOL intervene and appoint an impartial and fair-minded person as the community leader. -- Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship ---- "AFF (American Family Foundation) is a nonprofit, tax-exempt research center and educational organization founded in 1979. AFF's mission is to study psychological manipulation and cultic groups, to educate the public and professionals, and to assist those who have been adversely affected by a cult-related experience. AFF consists of a professional staff and a growing network of more than 150 volunteer professionals in fields ranging from education, psychology, and religion to journalism, law enforcement, and business." Further details about AFF: https://www.csj.org/aff/aff_about.htm Frederick Glaysher Google Search Engine: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience ---------- From: Bahai Faith[SMTP:BI*P*GS@liberty.com] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 9:18 AM Subject: AOL - continuing bahai fundamentalist dishonesty and exploitation of AOL Subject: Shahid: Non-elected Forum Leader who trashes our First Amendment rights Date: 3/28/2002 2:14 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Ruletherod Message-id: <20020328141440.08650.00000536@mb-cp.aol.com> Shahid, forget AOL's un-Constitutional restrictions on our free speech long enough to answer me rationally, without any of your politically correct excuses or Baha'i spin: Why did you remove my post? In a message dated 3/27/2002 10:10:28 PM, LDRS LFST Shahid writes: Subj:Board Posting at Keyword: Baha'i Date:3/27/2002 10:10:28 PM Mountain Standard Time From:LDRS LFST Shahid To:Ruletherod CC:LDRS LFST Jerry, LDRS LFST Mgr Dear Member, Regarding your messages posted at Keyword: Baha'i>Announcements> Fred: What I learned in Baha'i detention>3/25/2002 6:05 AM In order for all members to enjoy our message boards, our community has certain standards of conduct for members to follow. Please review Keyword: Message Board Product Guidelines and Keyword: for more information on what is appropriate in our community. Based on these standards and guidelines, your post was removed to avoid disruption to the message board discussion. Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review. We appreciate your taking the time to read this letter. Thank you. If you have any questions or comments, please forward them to . Regards, LDRS LFST Shahid Volunteer Message Board Host Spirituality Forum Subject: Fred: What I learned in Baha'i detention Date: 3/25/02 3:31 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Ruletherod Message-id: <20020325153116.18185.00000087@mb-fd.aol.com> Subject: Re: SHAHID RETURNS LIKE A POST-THIEF IN THE NIGHT! Date: 3/25/2002 6:05 AM From: Fglaysh12002 >removing every dastardly idea >from this board Well, in all seriousness, that is precisely the problem here on AOL's bahai message boards, which are regularly censored and manipulated by the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais. --Frederick Glaysher Don't you feel patronized by this kind of censorship? We have one adult (a religious peer) using AOL's ad hoc rules -- rules that generally suit the authoritarian mindset of the Baha'i administrative types -- to suppress the "improper"...or rather unpopular (politically incorrect)...expressions of malcontents. We had no active forum leader here for a number of months in 1998, you'll recall. Nothing bad happened. The board was at its most active and diverse. It was completely democratic in that no one was given unfair advantage. AOL didn't care that we were taking advantage of our freedom. But insecure Baha'i conservative and fundamentalist camps gradually pushed behind the scenes until they got a religious thought-policeman on duty to watch over us like we're a bunch of juvenile delinquents ...as if "they" were/are somehow superior in taste and wisdom. The way I see it, it was a religious coup on the part of self-serving and bossy Baha'is, mostly females....people I thought I had escaped offline. The religious extremists want their special place in heaven while making this Earthly life a hell for the rest of us. Each year, our public libraries produce lists of banned books -- books deemed too risky for reading by "good intentioned" religious folks -- reminding us how fragile our First Amendment freedoms are. The banned books represent both popular and classical fiction. But the government (so often blamed for everything) isn't banning them. Our fellow citizens are getting this stuff removed through loopholes in the law...or because they know that the squeaky wheel gets greased. In other words, if the righteous religious minority is out to censor our thoughts, they will succeed insofar as enough people do nothing to challenge them; to keep them in check. This is why I feel most Baha'is are probably unwitting accomplices in these First Amendment violations. Their excuse: "obedience" and "loyal servitude." ("It's the Covenant, STUPID!") AOL is merely a global enterprise...a moneymaking business. It has no moral authority over us, but our Baha'i forum leader(s) wants us to believe they do somehow. It's just a convenient front for extending Baha'i censorship onto the global Net....a "place" that's a godsend so long as it remains *free.* Censorship has no place but the home. Censorship goes hand-in-hand with religious fundamentalism or secular authoritarianism: tyranny and dictatorship (by whatever degree). I wish that all of the American Baha'i fundamentalists could spent a decade living in Iran or Saudi Arabia under existing religious censorship codes to finally appreciate why our democratic freedoms are more sacred than the Kitab-i-Aqdas, the Bible or the Quran. Without free expression, the Baha'i Faith would cease to exist. But the ONLY freedoms that authoritarian Baha'is are concerned with are their OWN: to worship, preach, dictate...and to control opposing viewpoints as much as possible. Children under cussing-age don't lurk here. Children are not concerned with the issues we've been discussing here. Only young, middle and old adults visit here. And yet the "children" excuse is one (among others) that's used to remove posts. The only "children" here are the adults...because that's how we're treated by our forum leaders -- as children. We're continually being patronized as naughty boys and girls. Let's make rules so we can censor the censors for a bleepin' change. That would be justice! Let's have a board mutiny! Let's invent four-letter words that no one has ever heard before! --Rule Beard ---------- From: Bahai Faith[SMTP:BI*P*GS@liberty.com] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 9:35 AM Subject: AOL Legal Department's Address Those interested in justice may file their lawsuits with AOL Legal Department 22000 AOL Way Dulles, Virginia 20166 -- Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship ---------- From: Bahai Faith[SMTP:BI*P*GS@liberty.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 8:54 PM Subject: Re: AOL Legal Department's Address FYI: Subj: Re: AOL's Legal Department - Address Date: 4/1/2002 9:29:54 PM Eastern Standard Time From: ruletherod@aol.com (Ruletherod) To: fglaysh12002@aol.com Subject: AOL's Legal Department - Address Date: 4/1/2002 6:26 AM From: Fglaysh12002 Message-id: <20020401082643.02934.00001455@mb-ba.aol.com> AOL Legal Department 22000 AOL Way Dulles, Virginia 20166 -- Those tired of the dishonesty, double standards, and censorship, may file lawsuits at the address above.... Frederick Glaysher -- Thanks for the info, Fred. Shahid has been censoring practically every post I've put up in recent weeks..and even sent in a report to TOS against me just the other day. Shahid censors with total impunity. I've sent two protest email replies to both AOL's Jerry and TOSGeneral, but quite frankly, I don't expect them to take action (fairly investigate) or even respond to me. (They didn't before.) It's as if they don't care..nor bother to read posters' complaints. Maybe this is why Shahid seems unconcerned about any consequences for censorship abuses. Although such behavior (ideological arrogance) on Shahid's part isn't surprising, it's still very frustrating. (I'm completely opposed to what's happened on principle.) Is it really true that AOL's policies don't take into consideration our free speech rights under America's Constitution. Are they not violating the law of the First Amendment through negligence? Shahid is using AOL's narrow board rules to expand and enforce an extremist Baha'i administrative position (suppressing dissidence against all kinds of Baha'i authoritarian "leadership" ...of which Shahid plays an influential role as a party-doctrinaire). I've even considered writing letters to the various popular news organizations (email-addresses or offline offices)...to have *someone* launch a critical investigation into this problem. Someone with clout outside the Baha'i Faith needs to take an honest look; to let the Baha'i Leadership know that they'll be held accountable by society, like any other religion, if they're harboring secret anti-First Amendment agendas (concealed behind "law-abiding" teaching campaigns designed to lure an unwitting public toward seeking and converting...before lockstep brainwashing). I've yet to see mainstream Baha'is honestly discuss free speech rights (encouraged by their institutions) without slanting them in their own favor...leaving people like you and me out in the cold. --Rule ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za03.mx.aol.com (rly-za03.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.99]) by air-za04.mail.aol.com (v84.10) with ESMTP id MAILINZA43-0401212954; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:29:54 -0500 Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mail.aol.com [172.20.114.197]) by rly-za03.mx.aol.com (v84.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINZA32-0401212941; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:29:41 -0500 Received: from ladder07.news.aol.com (ladder07.news.aol.com [172.31.45.165]) by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with ESMTP id VAA22011 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:29:31 -0500 (EST) From: ruletherod@aol.com (Ruletherod) To: fglaysh12002@aol.com Date: 01 Apr 2002 21:28:55 EST References: <20020401082643.02934.00001455@mb-ba.aol.com> Organization: AOL https://www.aol.com Subject: Re: AOL's Legal Department - Address Message-ID: <20020401212855.20564.00001290@mb-mn.aol.com> "Bahai Faith" wrote in message news:a89nn5$qeir6$1@ID-75545.news.dfncis.de... > Those interested in justice may file their lawsuits with > > AOL Legal Department > 22000 AOL Way > Dulles, Virginia 20166 > > -- > Frederick Glaysher > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship > > > > ---------- From: Bahai Faith[SMTP:BI*P*GS@liberty.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: Re: AOL Legal Department's Address Subject: Re: AOL's Legal Department - Address Date: 4/3/2002 8:26 AM Eastern Standard Time From: Fglaysh12002 Message-id: <20020403082651.02910.00002062@mb-ba.aol.com> I urge those tired of the dishonesty and duplicity of the community leader on these message boards to at least contact AOL's Legal Department as soon as possible with a letter of complaint. Put them on notice. Documented your good-faith efforts to protect your constitutional and proprietary rights. Save copies and please consider forwarding copies to me. > AOL Legal Department > 22000 AOL Way > Dulles, Virginia 20166 Frederick Glaysher Google Search Engine: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience "Bahai Faith" wrote in message news:a8djtb$rke67$1@ID-75545.news.dfncis.de... > FYI: > > Subj: Re: AOL's Legal Department - Address > Date: 4/1/2002 9:29:54 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: ruletherod@aol.com (Ruletherod) > To: fglaysh12002@aol.com > > > Subject: AOL's Legal Department - Address > Date: 4/1/2002 6:26 AM > From: Fglaysh12002 > Message-id: <20020401082643.02934.00001455@mb-ba.aol.com> > > > AOL Legal Department > 22000 AOL Way > Dulles, Virginia 20166 > > -- > > Those tired of the dishonesty, double standards, and > censorship, may file lawsuits at the address above.... > > Frederick Glaysher > > -- > > Thanks for the info, Fred. Shahid has been > censoring practically every post I've put up > in recent weeks..and even sent in a report to > TOS against me just the other day. Shahid censors > with total impunity. I've sent two protest email replies > to both AOL's Jerry and TOSGeneral, but quite frankly, > I don't expect them to take action (fairly investigate) or > even respond to me. (They didn't before.) It's as if they > don't care..nor bother to read posters' complaints. Maybe > this is why Shahid seems unconcerned about any > consequences for censorship abuses. > > Although such behavior (ideological arrogance) > on Shahid's part isn't surprising, it's still very frustrating. > (I'm completely opposed to what's happened on principle.) > Is it really true that AOL's policies don't take into > consideration our free speech rights under America's > Constitution. Are they not violating the law of the First > Amendment through negligence? Shahid is using AOL's > narrow board rules to expand and enforce an extremist > Baha'i administrative position (suppressing dissidence > against all kinds of Baha'i authoritarian "leadership" > ...of which Shahid plays an influential role as a > party-doctrinaire). > > I've even considered writing letters to the various > popular news organizations (email-addresses or offline > offices)...to have *someone* launch a critical investigation > into this problem. Someone with clout outside the Baha'i > Faith needs to take an honest look; to let the Baha'i > Leadership know that they'll be held accountable by > society, like any other religion, if they're harboring > secret anti-First Amendment agendas (concealed > behind "law-abiding" teaching campaigns designed > to lure an unwitting public toward seeking and > converting...before lockstep brainwashing). I've yet > to see mainstream Baha'is honestly discuss free > speech rights (encouraged by their institutions) > without slanting them in their own favor...leaving > people like you and me out in the cold. > > --Rule > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-za03.mx.aol.com (rly-za03.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.99]) > by air-za04.mail.aol.com (v84.10) with ESMTP id MAILINZA43-0401212954; Mon, > 01 Apr 2002 21:29:54 -0500 > Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mail.aol.com [172.20.114.197]) > by rly-za03.mx.aol.com (v84.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINZA32-0401212941; > Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:29:41 -0500 > Received: from ladder07.news.aol.com (ladder07.news.aol.com [172.31.45.165]) > by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) > with ESMTP id VAA22011 for ; > Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:29:31 -0500 (EST) > From: ruletherod@aol.com (Ruletherod) > To: fglaysh12002@aol.com > Date: 01 Apr 2002 21:28:55 EST > References: <20020401082643.02934.00001455@mb-ba.aol.com> > Organization: AOL https://www.aol.com > Subject: Re: AOL's Legal Department - Address > Message-ID: <20020401212855.20564.00001290@mb-mn.aol.com> > > > > "Bahai Faith" wrote in message > news:a89nn5$qeir6$1@ID-75545.news.dfncis.de... > > Those interested in justice may file their lawsuits with > > > > AOL Legal Department > > 22000 AOL Way > > Dulles, Virginia 20166 > > > > -- > > Frederick Glaysher > > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > > https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship > > > > > > > > > > ---------- From: Bahai Faith[SMTP:BI*P*GS@liberty.com] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:43 PM Subject: Re: AOL Legal Department's Address PREDICTABLE: Subj: Board Posting at Keyword: Spirituality Date: 4/4/2002 12:27:27 AM Eastern Standard Time From: LDRS LFST Shahid To: Fglaysh12002 CC: LDRS LFST Mgr Dear Member, Regarding your message posted at Keyword: Baha'i> Baha'i>General Discussion>Re:AOL's Legal Department-Adress>4/3/02 8:26 AM In order for all members to enjoy our message boards, our community has certain standards of conduct for members to follow. Please review Keyword: Message Board Product Guidelines and Keyword: Lifestyles Board Standards for information on what is appropriate in our community. Based on these standards and guidelines, your post was removed to avoid disruption to the message board discussion. Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review. We appreciate your taking the time to read this letter. Thank you. If you have any questions or comments, please forward them to LDRS LFST Mgr. Regards, LDRS LFST Shahid Volunteer Message Board Leader AOL Lifestyles Community ======== Copy of Your Message ======== Subject: Re: AOL's Legal Department - Address Date: 4/3/02 8:26 AM Eastern Standard Time From: Fglaysh12002 Message-id: <20020403082651.02910.00002062@mb-ba.aol.com> I urge those tired of the dishonesty and duplicity of the community leader on these message boards to at least contact AOL's Legal Department as soon as possible with a letter of complaint. Put them on notice. Documented your good-faith efforts to protect your constitutional and proprietary rights. Save copies and please consider forwarding copies to me. > AOL Legal Department > 22000 AOL Way > Dulles, Virginia 20166 Frederick Glaysher Google Search Engine: Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience