From elley@intercoast.com.au Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:13:54 -0800 Received: from [203.22.112.12] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE30BA1B006B400431D4CB16700C93600; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:13:33 -0800 Received: from Elderkin (pmq54.intercoast.com.au [203.32.99.54]) by cracker.intercoast.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g1B7GBg02902 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:16:12 +1100 Message-ID: <006301c1b2cb$c65eeea0$366320cb@Elderkin> From: "Mark Elderkin" To: Subject: Need a house......... Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:14:38 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01C1B327.F7EA2BE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Elderkin To: fredglaysher@hotmail.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 2:14 AM Subject: Need a house......... What I really need is for you to quit spamming the NGs. As long as you spam, I'll continue to find ways of letting others know how to keep in contact with you. Say what you want and do it in a proper way and there is no problem......... keep spamming and cross-posting to people and using the name 'bahai faith' and I'll keep up with your antics. If enough people tell you to stop........ then maybe you will.From: "Mark Elderkin" Subject: Re: Fundamentalist psycopath THREATENS me again..... Date: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:24 AM If I'm a psychopath(Fred the 'h' is silent but still should be there) for getting tired of continuous misuse of this NG, then maybe the shoe fits. It does not sit well with me to have someone like Fred use the name 'bahai faith' as his ID here. Fred hasn't been a Baha'i for many years and it seems to me that it is a clear misrepresentation of the facts. Now let's get on to the issue of 'threatening' : If putting a URL in my post is considered a threat then there are quite a few guilty of that including Fred in every spam. If selling real estate was Fred's big secret then why did he make the site public and why did associate a link to it on his website? This isn't rocket science here........... I've just placed the link into a reply where Fred created the list of available newsgroups. I didn't think them up...... he did. Is the real problem here that Fred is upset that some of the people he has pissed off with cross-posting might not buy a house from him now. There is a free gift being offered........ hate to miss it myself. Probably not available to psychopaths anyhow. Fred this is about ownership and you would like to think that you have the ability to do anything you want and we as the weak Baha'i Fundies will just sit back and pray for you. Sorry.... can't do it. I have never threatened you with anything even resembling violence......... I have never attempted to abuse your email(I did send you a Christmas picture a year back or so). Maybe you don't understand something here Fred........ for every action there is a reaction. You work very hard at not being reachable so that you can continue with antics............. I'm just going to make you reachable. The posting of a directive to any public URL location is totally within the guidelines for this NG. You do it all the time. Cross-posting the URL directive to other NGs must also be OK....... you do it all the time. So the question remains....... What's really your problem here? Since your retirement, you have become quite undisciplined............ Take up a hobby.......... maybe poetry. Real-Estate? M From: "Mark Elderkin" Subject: At home with the Baha'is Date: Sunday, February 24, 2002 2:57 PM https://homes.hypermart.net/ Dos this mean that baha'i faith is selling homes in Rochester Michigan? Do you really get a one-year home warranty? What is 'higher education'? Does the money go to the fund? "Bahai Faith" wrote in message From: "Mark Elderkin" Subject: Patrick Henry goes Baha'i ! Date: Sunday, February 24, 2002 3:00 PM https://homes.hypermart.net/ Dos this mean that baha'i faith is selling homes in Rochester Michigan? Do you really get a one-year home warranty? What is 'higher education'? Does the money go to the fund? "Bahai Faith" wrote in message "Bahai Faith" wrote in message From: "Mark Elderkin" Subject: Buy a home and get one free......... Date: Sunday, March 31, 2002 3:06 AM Chatori, Maybe if you buy a home from Fred he'll leave you alone. take a trip too https://homes.hypermart.net/ for the buy of your life. "Ariamehr" wrote in message news:ebf1b01d282b87ced5f12ca3f99a537b.75700@mygate.mailgate.org... > Hey Freddy gay, > > Don't croospost your junks to the Soc.culture.iranian. Asshole we have > warned you > many times before and you keep ignoring it.If you have anything related > to Iran and want to discuss it , come on down and > let's talk but don't spam our newsgroup.Capice you son of a bitch ? > > > > > > "Bahai Faith" wrote in message > news:a81q5v$p3j1g$1@ID-75545.news.dfncis.de... > > > [ bahai ] "Suppression (that is what it was) of Dialogue magazine by > > Kazemzadeh and Henderson." > > Professor Juan Cole, May 13, 1999 > > https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Cole30.htm > > > > -- > > Frederick Glaysher > > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > > https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship > > > > > -- > Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - https://www.Mailgate.ORG From: "Mark Elderkin" Subject: Appropriate response to Frederick Glaysher Date: Monday, June 10, 2002 10:19 PM Habshi.... Your response to "Bahai Faith" (Fred Glaysher) will fall of deaf ears. Mr. Glaysher is not a Baha'i and in no way represents any aspect of it. Mr. Glaysher feels free to cross-post to you in order to provoke you to respond negatively to the Baha'i Faith. This is clearly unfair to you and to those participating Baha'is who follow the rules of conduct within their own NewsGroup. I would like to suggest that you, Habshi, would be more effective in stopping this type of actions by Fred Glaysher by contacting him direct and letting him know your feelings regarding his cross-posting. The following URL is for the White Pages and you need only type in Frederick Glaysher for his current details. https://www.whitepages.com/find_person.pl Give him a call collect..... or you can contact Fred on his website https://homes.hypermart.net/. He will probably enjoy hearing from you. Mark "habshi" wrote in message news:3d03436e.970308@news.clara.net... > Its another stupid male monotheist faith afflicting this planet . Stop > flooding sci with this junk. Convert at once to tolerant colorful > stone worshipping From: "Freethought110" Subject: Re: ACTION-ACTION -ACTION Fredrick Glaysher's address and Tele NO .RE: Bahai in *Perfectly* Good Standing - Date: Thursday, September 12, 2002 6:08 AM Oooh, you are in deeeeeep shit now. -- Freethought110 All religions are sick men's dreams, false -- demonstrably false -- and pernicious . - Ibn Warraq Belief in the sickness as the sickness - It was [Religion] which first painted the Devil on the world's wall; it was [Religion] which first brought sin into the world. Belief in the cure which it offered has now been shaken at its very roots: but 'belief in the sickness' which it teaches and propagates continues to exist - Nietzsche "george.fleming2" wrote in message news:B9A620AF.96E3%george.fleming2@btinternet.com... ACTION-ACTION -ACTION If subscribers to one of the above groups are sick and tired of the spamfest of this guy then repost this post back to your group until he stops. Frederick Glaysher 668 Bolinger St. Rochester Hills, MI 48307 248-608-6424 Inclosed is Spamming Freddies US address and Tele NO for those newsgroup subscribers to report him for spamming (the papers below) on the newsgroups below for five years: If you are sick of this guy continously breaking the rules of the internet then report him in the US to the ISP he is using. He gets away with it on "talk/alt. religion.bahai as he has a lot of followers there who all support him but the other groups he is just a pain in the ass to all those who are not interested in his selfcentered repetitive regurgitive spamfest. , , , , , , , , This is one of Freddies spamms. Bahai in *Perfectly* Good Standing - Despite the slander of many fundamentalists among my fellow bahais, I have been a member of the bahai faith since 1976. My ID Card may be found on my main bahai page. I have never been contacted by the uhj or any of its underlings to the contrary. The reason the uhj allows and encourages fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to backbite, libel, and slander me on talk.religion.bahai, alt.religion.bahai, AOL, BeliefNet, and elsewhere may be discovered in the four messages below: To the Universal House of Justice - March 31, 1997 > https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/To-UHJ1.htm To the Universal House of Justice - July 24, 1998 > https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/UHJ72498.htm To uhj 12-10-1999 > https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/uhj12-10-99.htm Open Petition for Baha'i Reformation February 8, 2001 > https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Reformation.htm My Request Not to Receive the American Bahai 1996 > https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/nsa1996.htm -- Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ Message-ID: References: <3d80822a.18090429@news.clara.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-13-94.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: knossos.btinternet.com 1031833897 1488 213.122.13.94 (12 Sep 2002 12:31:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:31:37 +0000 (UTC) To whom it may concern: I would like to bring the following matter to your immediate attention as my previous correspondence with you regarding this matter has so far not produced any reply nor the requisite result. The following account holder with your company, george.fleming2: Message-ID: References: <3d80822a.18090429@news.clara.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-13-94.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit has incessantly spammed and is now making explicit threats against individual posters on the talk.religion.bahai newsgroup on usenet (constitutable assault under the Common Law). Such threats are, as I understand, criminally liable threats as well as matters also constituting tortuious libel and defamation. Under both statute and case law throughout the three jurisdictions of Great Britian, the actions of Mr Fleming as of now clearly constitute offenses under any interpretation. Such offenses would arguably not only hold Mr Fleming liable, but possibly your own company in an action of breach of the duty of care in Tort for your failure to take action in the matter. As mentioned, I have contacted you previously about this poster and I understand others have contacted you also, but so far nothing has resulted. I hereby request your immediate investigation and intervention in the matter. Below, I append two samples of his posts. You may note there are tens of dozens more of such posts available for your perusal on the talk.religion.bahai NG. Looking forward to your reply. Yours, Nima Hazini Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 58 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-115-248.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: knossos.btinternet.com 1031829882 26988 213.1.115.248 (12 Sep 2002 11:24:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:24:42 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Xref: news.optus.net.au alt.religion.bahai:3803 alt.religion.christian:104597 soc.culture.arabic:20725 soc.culture.indian:85363 soc.culture.iranian:33659 soc.culture.israel:155451 talk.politics.misc:204183 talk.religion.bahai:11628 talk.religion.misc:12352 ----- Original Message ----- From: "george.fleming2" Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,alt.religion.christian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.ind ian,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.israel,talk.politics.misc,talk.religion. bahai,talk.religion.misc Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:24 PM Subject: EXPOSED CONMAN IMPOSTER: Re: 23 - Prof. Cole, Univ. of Michigan,"Fundamentalism in the Contemporary U.S. Baha'i Community" -Fundamentalism as an ideology ACTION-ACTION -ACTION EXPOSED CONMAN IMPOSTER If subscribers to one of the above groups are sick and tired of the spamfest of this imposter then repost this post back to your group until he stops. Frederick Glaysher 668 Bolinger St. Rochester Hills, MI 48307 248-608-6424 Inclosed is Spamming Freddies US address and Tele NO for those newsgroup subscribers to report him for spamming (the papers below) on the newsgroups below for five years: If you are sick of this guy continously breaking the rules of the internet then report him in the US to the ISP he is using. He gets away with it on "talk/alt. religion.bahai as he has a lot of followers there who all support him but the other groups he is just a pain in the ass to all those who are not interested in his selfcentered repetitive regurgitive spamfest. , , , , , , , , This is a recent Freddies spam. in article alpsei$1c2d$1@ID-75545.news.dfncis.de, Bahai Faith at BI*P*GS@liberty.com wrote on 12/9/02 11:03 am: > "Fundamentalism as an ideology gives Counselors and the UHJ far more > practical power than does liberalism, which is thus seen as "undermining" > that power. Given the centrality and authority of these Baha'i > institutions, the ability of fundamentalists to capture them may be the most > important explanation for the increasing hegemony of this tendency in the > movement." > > -- > Professor Juan R. I. Cole, University of Michigan, > "Fundamentalism in the Contemporary U.S. Baha'i Community," > Religious Studies Review, Vol. 43, no. 3 (March, 2002):195-217: > https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm > > Karen Bacquet, "Enemies Within: Conflict and Control in the Baha'i > Community," American Family Foundation's Cultic Studies Journal: > https://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/enemies.html > > -- > Frederick Glaysher > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ > > > -- To get random signatures put text files into a folder called ³Random Signatures² into your Preferences folder. Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host62-7-14-206.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: paris.btinternet.com 1031745172 26433 62.7.14.206 (11 Sep 2002 11:52:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:52:52 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Xref: news.optus.net.au alt.religion.bahai:3790 talk.religion.bahai:11515 ----- Original Message ----- From: "george.fleming2" Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:52 PM Subject: Re: OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY. "Scapegoat (Lev. xvi) 1. Invented- appointed to be sacrificed - appointed to be sacrificed Hey Ron House the Maggot who likes to call me a flea. what are you doing about Freddie here and his 5 year spamfest, seeing you are so annoyed by me standing up to mummyboy Nima and rubbergub Dermod's cowardly wimpish attacks on Dr Susan Maneck who has the guts to stand up for her Faith. Mr Fleming the irritant Flea in article aln7ge$1rfu1a$1@ID-75545.news.dfncis.de, Bahai Faith at BI*P*GS@liberty.com wrote on 11/9/02 10:54 am: > OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY. "Scapegoat (Lev. xvi) 1. Invented > by Tindale 1530.... One of the two goats that was chosen by Lot to be sent > away into the wilderness, the sins of the people having been symbolically > laid upon it, while the other was appointed to be sacrificed. 2. One who is > blamed or punished for the sins of others. 1867 Freeman, He has been > made the scapegoat for many of the sins both of other individuals and of > the whole nation." > > Further details in "The Bahai Technique": > https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/technique.htm > > -- > Frederick Glaysher > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ > > > > From: "george.fleming2" Subject: ACTION. Frederick Glaysher668 Bolinger St.Rochester Hills, MI 48307248-608-6424: Re: LIBEL & SLANDER of Fundamentalists - TwoComprehensive Intros to the Bahai Wars Date: Thursday, September 12, 2002 7:24 AM ACTION-ACTION -ACTION If subscribers to one of the above groups are sick and tired of the spamfest of this guy then repost this post back to your group until he stops. Frederick Glaysher 668 Bolinger St. Rochester Hills, MI 48307 248-608-6424 Inclosed is Spamming Freddies US address and Tele NO for those newsgroup subscribers to report him for spamming (the papers below) on the newsgroups below for five years: If you are sick of this guy continously breaking the rules of the internet then report him in the US to the ISP he is using. He gets away with it on "talk/alt. religion.bahai as he has a lot of followers there who all support him but the other groups he is just a pain in the ass to all those who are not interested in his selfcentered repetitive regurgitive spamfest. , , , , , , , , This is a recent Freddies spam. in article alpsc1$147k$1@ID-75545.news.dfncis.de, Bahai Faith at BI*P*GS@liberty.com wrote on 12/9/02 11:02 am: > Two Comprehensive Intros to the Bahai Wars > > For those interested in understanding what's taking place > regarding the Bahai Wars, I urge you to read some of the > primary material on my and Professor Cole's websites and > decide for yourselves. I especially recommend > > Professor Juan Cole's "Fundamentalism in the Contemporary > U.S. Baha'i Community," Religious Studies Review 2002: > https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm > > Along with Cole's survey, I also highly recommend Karen Bacquet's > article in the American Family Foundation's Cultic Studies Journal, > as another one of the best introductions to the many conflicts and > injustices that have shakened the religion during the last few decades: > > "Enemies Within: Conflict and Control in the Baha'i Community": > https://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/enemies.html > > Together, Cole and Bacquet's articles, provide a comprehensive > view of fundamentalism within the bahai faith today. > > -- > Frederick Glaysher > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ > > > > > > > > -- To get random signatures put text files into a folder called ³Random Signatures² into your Preferences folder.