From: BIGS - Bahai in *Perfectly* Good Standing[SMTP:patrick_henry@liberty.com] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 5:01 PM Subject: Foritior To understand what lies behind fundamentalist facades here on talk.religion.bahai and alt.religion.bahai, one might want to consider, as evidence, the following message: https://groups.google.com/groups?selm=f0853486.0109141001.2fd2b8c%40posting.google.com&output=gplain -- Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship ---------- From: BIGS - Bahai in *Perfectly* Good Standing[SMTP:patrick_henry@liberty.com] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 8:48 AM Subject: Dave F's LIE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Fiorito" Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 2:40 PM Subject: Re: bahai - Threats of Lawsuits > Dermod and Pat, > > > Likely it will be held as another example of bahai harassment after > > > Fred has pleaded w/ the bad bahai AO to be left in peace. > > > > It may well be but it sure would have weakened the ground under those > > who think that the NSA (and the rest of the AO) is cowardly with a > > great big yellow streak right up the spine. > > > You guys are both overlooking the fact that Fred requested to be > removed. Why would the NSA confirm something for which they were > given a written request. > > Fred asked - they did what he asked - end of story. > > Cheers, > > Dave ---------- From: BIGS - Bahai in *Perfectly* Good Standing[SMTP:patrick_henry@liberty.com] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:11 AM Subject: Maneck's fundamentalist grip on AOL bahai message boards Maneck's fundamentalist grip on AOL bahai message boards "Recently, Dr. Maneck, A.K.A. LDRS LFST, Shahid, on America Online's Baha'i Faith Bulletin Board posted the following...." What may be expected from such a bahai community "leader" on AOL may be judged from Ms. Maneck's past treatment of opinions other than her own: https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck1.htm See her slandering other views as garbage: https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck3.htm See her slandering other views as litter: https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck7.htm See also messages related to her abuse of her AOL "position" : https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/AOL.htm https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/AOLcensorship.htm https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/AOLcensorship1.htm Continuing AOL Censorship by bahais 2001 https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/AOL2001.htm Those tired of Maneck posting her URL on AOL should see the relevant thread at Question to Community Leaders. Or call and complain at 800-827-6364. Also complain at Keyword Notify AOL, Message Boards, and then Ask the Staff, works well too. It goes over Maneck's head, as I was told on the phone. Incidentally, when you email the TOSGeneral from anywhere in bahai AOL space it in fact goes directly to Maneck, nobody else, which is again why you have to go around her now if you're tired of her manipulating TOS rules and employing her double standards on many fronts. SHE'S the TOSGeneral!! No wonder nothing results.... As a bahai for over 25 years, I'm very tired of her dishonest manipulation of AOL and wish AOL would replace her with an honest person who fairly allows all views to be heard. -- Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship ---------- From: BIGS - Bahai in *Perfectly* Good Standing[SMTP:patrick_henry@liberty.com] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 7:57 AM Subject: bahai - LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, bahai - LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, bahai - LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES bahai - LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, "Dave Fiorito" wrote in message news:f0853486.0111051240.4d5df95e@posting.google.com... > You guys are both overlooking the fact that Fred requested to be > removed. Why would the NSA confirm something for which they were > given a written request. > > Fred asked - they did what he asked - end of story. AGAIN, this allegation is an unmitiaged LIE, a twisting and distorting of what happended in order to fit the fanaticism and hatred that runs rife in fundamentalist bahai circles. For details regarding what I did request see below. I have NEVER requested to be removed from the bahai rolls nor denied my belief in Baha'u'llah. The tactic of denying my membership is the bahai faith by this fundamentalist is clearly calculated to discredit my criticism of censorship regularly imposed by the bahai institutions. I invite those interested in the truth to read my account below and to consider that the same person who is making such a slanderous claim is the one who wrote the vulgar attack on me available at https://groups.google.com/groups?selm=f0853486.0109141001.2fd2b8c%40posting.google.com&output=gplain In 1996 my request to the circulation department for the American Bahai, repeated twice and perhaps a third time, read, "Please remove my name and address from your mailing list." I had torn off the preprinted address change label regularly published on the back page of the American Bahai and mailed it into the address given for subscription changes. I asked for nothing other than my name and address to be removed from the mailing list--no gloss, no explanation, no complaint, no threat, etc.... Dermod Ryder's speculation that willingness to receive the American Bahai has become compulsory should give pause.... Again, note well, I used the address on the back of the American Bahai given specifically for handling subscription addresses. I did not write the nsa, its secretary, etc. My communication was limited to the simplest of requests: remove my name and address from your mailing list. Not a word or suggestion about withdrawing from the Bahai Faith, nor any criticism of it whatsoever, real nor implied. I conveyed my wishes to the proper address, as announced in the American Bahai itself. That I received a response back from an entirely different address speaks volumes, as they say. After six years, I believe the time is now right to release it publicly. I've scanned the letter so others might read the original. I am not about to accept the slander and backbiting of fanatics and fundamentalists nor allow them to provoke me into one action or another. I prefer the facts: Again, I declared my belief in Baha'u'llah in 1976 and notified the nsa, who sent me back the declaration card available on my homepage. I have never notified them otherwise. They, as distinguished from liars and sycophants online, have never notified me to the contrary. Scanned orignials at https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/nsa1996.htm The other two letters were related to the Detroit local spiritual assembly and its junk mail. See my message below for other relevant details. -- Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/ Bahai in *Perfectly* Good Standing Despite the slander of many fundamentalists among my fellow bahais, I have been a member of the bahai faith since 1976. My ID Card may be found on my main bahai page. I have never been contacted by the uhj or any of its underlings to the contrary. The reason the uhj allows and encourages fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to backbite and slander me on talk.religion.bahai, alt.religion.bahai, AOL, BeliefNet, and elsewhere may be discovered in the four messages below: To the Universal House of Justice - March 31, 1997 https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/To-UHJ1.htm To the Universal House of Justice - July 24, 1998 https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/UHJ72498.htm To uhj 12-10-1999 https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/uhj12-10-99.htm Open Petition for Baha'i Reformation February 8, 2001 https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/Reformation.htm My Request Not to Receive the American Bahai 1996 https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/nsa1996.htm -- Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: Bahai Faith[SMTP:BI*P*GS@liberty.com] Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 4:31 PM To: aff@affcultinfoserve.com. Subject: PURCHASE REQUEST - Karen Bacquet - Cultic Studies Journal, Volume 18, No. 1. I'd like to buy a printed copy of Karen Bacquet's article "Enemies Within: Conflict and Control in the Baha'i Community" in the Cultic Studies Journal, Volume 18, No. 1. Unfortunately, I can't find it on your website at https://www.csj.org/pub_csj/csj_issue_index.htm I'm not really interested in the xeroxed copy but would want the original printed copy or a reprint of just her article. Thank you for your assistance. Frederick Glaysher FG@comcast.net ---------- From: Bahai Faith[SMTP:BI*P*GS@liberty.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 10:03 AM To: feedback@staff.beliefnet.com Subject: Bahai Message Boards feedback@staff.beliefnet.com I ask that a serious, informed, and impartial investigation into the matters I raise in my message below to Cheryl Fuller be conducted, at a higher level, if need be. At the very least, I believe it is necessary for BeliefNet, in order to protect its own best interests and reputation, to actually read and take into account the sources I recommend below. Anything less, in my opinion, will result in undue weight being given to the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais on BeliefNet. Respectfully yours, Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship ---- Thank you for your message. As a member of the bahai faith since 1976, I recommend you consider the recently published article of Karen Bacquet, "Enemies Within: Conflict and Control in the Baha'i Community" which appears in AFF's Cultic Studies Journal: https://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/enemies.html "AFF (American Family Foundation) is a nonprofit, tax-exempt research center and educational organization founded in 1979. AFF's mission is to study psychological manipulation and cultic groups, to educate the public and professionals, and to assist those who have been adversely affected by a cult-related experience. AFF consists of a professional staff and a growing network of more than 150 volunteer professionals in fields ranging from education, psychology, and religion to journalism, law enforcement, and business." ----------------------- I also recommend you consider the testimony of Professor Juan Cole, of the University of Michigan, Department of History, who surveys the many incidents of bahai censorship that have taken place during the last few decades in "The Baha'i Faith in America as Panopticon, 1963-1997": https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm In Professor Juan Cole's book Modernity and the Millennium, published by Columbia University Press in 1998, Professor Cole observes the Baha'i administration has increasingly come under the control of fundamentalists, "stressing scriptural literalism . . . theocracy, censorship, intellectual intolerance, and denying key democratic values (196)." The issues involved in the Bahai Wars are indeed complex and challenging. These sources will provide you with an historical view and broad introduction. I mention two further especially noteworthy articles by Steven Scholl, available on my website under Newcomers might want to start here or with Essential Readings: Steven Scholl - "Why I voluntarily left the religion" The Bahai Technique Ad hominem, slander, demonize, scapegoat, shun... etc.... Essential Reading You and BeliefNet are faced with a major challenge regarding free speech and discussion, one that require considerable conscientious effort on your parts if you are truly to understand the issues involved. Let me take this opportunity to mention that the new moderator who uses the handle "World Citizen" appears to me and other participants to be a bahai of fundamentalist mentality. The renaming of Question Bahais to Dissenting Bahais reflects such an orientation, casting asperions on all those individuals who would question anything, really, within a bahai context. I believe it is a disservice to all honest and thoughtful people, bahais and non-bahais, to allow such subtle manipulations of the BeliefNet message boards and to permit basically the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais to gain control of the technical moderating tools of discussion. With respect and best wishes, -- Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship >From: Cheryl Fuller >To: FG@hotmail.com >CC: community@staff.beliefnet.com >Subject: Your posts on the Baha'i boards >Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:25:10 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [24.153.64.2] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE5AC2DB0011400437A218994002F1C05; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:27:18 -0800 >Received: from localhost (pcp01223126pcs.roylok01.mi.comcast.net [68.61.35.57]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GSZ0081TYXOT7@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for FG@hotmail.com; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:25:01 -0500 (EST) >From cfuller@staff.beliefnet.com Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:27:41 -0800 >Message-id: >X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) > >Dear Beliefnet member fglaysher , > >I am writing to you with concerns about your participation on >Beliefnet's Baha'i message boards. > >A review of the messages you have posted reveals frequent incidents >of >spamming, posting the same message, usually containing inflammatory >or derogatory remarks. The Beliefnet Rules of Conduct, to which you >agreed when you registered as a member of Beliefnet, forbids posts >that malign, vilify, defame, abuse, harass, or threaten others and >spamming. It is not necessary for you to agree with other Beliefnet >members, but we do insist that you treat them with courtesy, even if >you think their beliefs are false. > >We also feel that the intent of some of your posts is to disrupt >discussions and prevent others from enjoying and participating in >theboards. Disruptive behavior is not acceptable on Beliefnet >messageboards and will be removed. We have no wish to silence >opposing viewpoints or controversy; we place great value on freedom >of speech onBeliefnet. We will never censor someone for expressing >an idea (withinthe limits of the Beliefnet Rules of Conduct) but we >will take action against poor behavior. > >To continue participating on Beliefnet, and to avoid a suspension of >your membership privileges, we hope you will find a way to express >your views that does not include disparaging personal remarks about >other Beliefnet members. Probably the best thing is to focus on >ideas, rather than people. > >Good luck and we look forward to hearing more from you on Beliefnet. > >Cheryl Fuller >Assistant Community Producer >cfuller@staff.beliefnet.com >https://www.beliefnet.com > ---------- From: Freethought110[SMTP:Freethought110@bohemian.org] Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 7:03 PM Subject: Baha'i: Religion or Multi-Level Marketting Scheme? Building a New World piece by piece This is an edited version of a talk on the 5-year plan given last year by Peter Khan, member of the UHJ at Langenhain, Germany on June 3. I believe the Five Year Plan can be summarised very simply and very easily. It tells us, I believe that the Faith in recent years developed a tremendous new capability, and we must use this new capability to develop new attitudes and new actions. My talk this afternoon divides into these three parts: what is the increased capability, what are the new attitudes we need, and what are the new actions we should take? INCREASED CAPABILITY The Faith has become, spiritually, a whole lot stronger in its Baha'i community. This is because of a number of very important things of great spiritual consequence that have occurred in the last 10 years or less. One of these was the translation of the Kitab-i Aqdas. The Baha'is now throughout the world have access to the Kitab-i Aqdas generally in a language they can understand. This is not just a matter of, "Ah, now we can read the book, now we can see what the laws are." There is a spiritual significance to having the Most Holy Book. Another important event of great spiritual consequence in the past 10 years is the universal application of the new Huququ'llah, because this has had a spiritual effect on the lives of the believers who have decided to put in practice this law. Then there is the fact that in recent years the House of Justice has in its letters called on the friends to apply more fully the laws of the Kitab-i Aqdas about obligatory prayer and fasting. So this is one reason why I say spiritual capability of the Baha'i community has increased so much in recent years. The sense of devotion, the sense of sacredness of the Holy Book has given a new spiritual energy to the Baha'i community. The other reason has been that the Baha'i world had been successful in completing the Mount Carmel Projects, the buildings on the Arc and the Terraces. People are going to say to us "You spent so many hundreds of millions of dollars on this? You must be crazy! For a start, you have built this thing on a mountain overlooking the largest oil refinery and the biggest port in Israel. This is not a good time and not a good place to build large white buildings." Other people would say to us "Do you think the highest priority for resources in the world today is gardens and marble buildings, rather than hospitals and schools for deprived children in other parts of the world? Is this how you Baha'is are going to use your money and then you come and say you have the solution to the world's problems?" Some other people will say: "You must have some pretty strange people who are running your religion in Haifa. They must love having marble buildings around them and luxury and who knows what." As Baha'is we don't have the problem because the House of Justice has said: "This is it." And we follow it. But we should think about these issues because these questions will come to us. I think there are many reasons we can offer but the deepest reason of all is mysterious, and it relates to the mystery of the World Centre of the Faith, the mystery of Mount Carmel as its designation as the Mountain of God, the mystery of having Holy Shrines and the Most Holy Shrine at Bahji - what does it mean? The mystery of the sacredness and holiness of holy ground. The mystery of the Book of Isaiah, where he speaks of the Mountain of the Lord and the House of the Lord being built on the Holy Mountain. The spiritual significance of Baha'u'llah's prophecy in the Tablet of Carmel and that the Throne of God would be established on the Mountain of God. These are deep spiritual mysteries a lot of our non-Baha'i friends may not understand, but I believe this is the most fundamental reason why so much of the resources of the Baha'i world have been expended on this process of beautification of the slopes on Mount Carmel. In 1939, Shoghi Effendi moved the remains of members of the Holy Family of Baha'u'llah and put them into new positions in what we call the Monument Gardens on Mount Carmel. He said at that time that the action he had taken, which is not very large in material effect, would release spiritual forces which would energise the Faith all over the world. There is no way to convey the significance of that to somebody whose orientation is materialistic. He would say: "You mean that the energy of your religion in Ecuador, Iceland, Mongolia, is affected by the fact that Shoghi Effendi moved these remains from point A to point B?" And the deepest answer is: Yes, it is, because our religion tells us that there is a profound connection between the material and the spiritual. One of the most powerful connections is tied in with the development of the Holy Places and the World Centre of the Faith on Mt Carmel and in Bahji. We should help people to understand that our outlook on life is of this interaction of the material and the spiritual, and the development on the World Centre of the Faith is a crucial element of this interaction. In that sense, the completion of this project releases spiritual forces to energise the Baha'i world far beyond our comprehension. I believe that in participating as we all did in this project in various ways, we carried out a collective act of worship in that we expressed our devotion through actions we took. Also, this project was a measure of the capacity of the Baha'is for unified action over a long period. It is very rare today, when the focus is so much short-term or immediate, for any group of people to commit themselves and carry out a collective action over a long time. It also stands as an example and a symbol of the transformation carried out by the Faith. This transformation occurs within us through the power of the Faith; it occurs in the larger world through the transforming activity of the believers. Ours is a religion of transformation and change. The Mt Carmel Projects and the Terraces represent in visible form that this is a religion that changes, transforms. It also demonstrates to the world that this is a religion very much concerned with beauty. All the religions of the world, in their period of strength and operation, have created beauty. Generally, it was several centuries after the origin of the religion when it was established - when in became strong with great resources. One of the unique elements of the Baha'i Faith has been the emphasis on beauty from its very origin. This surprising degree of emphasis on beauty, so intrinsic to the Faith, is important because it gives us an indication that the world we are creating is going to be a world of beauty. Another part of the increased capability of the Baha'i community in recent years has been the development of human resources through the training institutes and study circles. In four years, over 100,000 believers have gone through some of these courses. They are a systematic program of study of the teachings centred around the Sacred Text, with an orientation to action and an acquisition of skills for service to the Faith. It will develop further in the future. It is still building up speed, but already we see the change it has brought about in the strength of the Baha'i community. There are a lot more Baha'is now who have acquired an orientation to the work of the Faith. It is one thing to believe, it is another thing to know all about it and to want to put it into practice. There is greater community vitality, institutions are functioning better, there is more attention to child education. The final part of increased capability is the fact that the prestige of the Faith has arisen in the world in recent years. The involvement of the Bahai's in the events of the millennium and the UN was beyond anything we expected. The Baha'is are involved more and more in interfaith programs. When Counsellor Zena Sorabjee, in New Delhi, was on the program with the Pope and other religious leaders, she tells us how during her presentation she recited some of the words from Baha'u'llah, and she was conscious of the effect on the cardinals and others. She couldn't see the Pope - he wasn't with her on the program - but she could see how they were stirred by these words of Baha'u'llah. Fifty two of our National Assemblies have offices for the advancement of women reaching out into society. This is a very significant step, because mostly when we do proclamation activities, we find that other religions such as Christianity and Islam say: "Yes, this is wonderful, but you know we also believe that?" But when we have proclamation about equality of the sexes, they have to be quiet because if they say, "You know we also believe that?" nobody will listen to them since their historical record is so well known. We have trained 99 National Spiritual Assemblies in human rights education. In some countries including Australia, where there is the prospect of religious education in schools, the Baha'is have been successful beyond anything they expected. In its simplest form, this is where schools run by the state say that of there is a Baha'i student in the school, you can offer religious education once a week and any student can come to it if their parents permit. A typical situation is in East Fremantle, Western Australia. This is a school with 315 students. Because there is one Baha'i there, they said: "OK, you can have Baha'i religious education once a week." It has 152 students because so many parents checked it out and said: "This is the kind of thing we want our children to be learning. It is not narrow. It is not sectarian. It has a unifying concept about all religions". I said to Counsellor Manijeh Reyhani, who is very involved in this: "Make sure that one Baha'i kid never graduates!" The US National Spiritual Assembly has been running what it calls a media campaign with television and radio proclamation of the Faith. Very significantly organised, they try something out on what they call a focus group and the group says: "This is terrible - nobody will listen to this." Then they change it and modify it and try it out on another group and gradually get a method which fits the Baha'i teachings but also appeals to the public. They have had over 100,000 responses asking for more information on how to contact the Baha'is. About a year ago, very few were joining and now lots of people are starting to join - mainly people in their twenties and thirties, young married people with a small family and professionally active. Basically we need to become comfortable with ideas that are organic and don't fit in with the ideas of the world around us. Some of these you have heard talked about in Baha'i meetings recently. One of these is to become oriented towards processes rather than events. This is not a very complicated idea. Anybody who has raised children is familiar with it. You start off doing simple things, confident that gradually there will be growth, and more complicated things will be done in the future. You held the child learn how to do a button when it is undone, confident that in the future that child will operate a computer or even possibly maybe operate a VCR of they are very smart. We have this process orientation when it comes to the development of an organic body such as a child. We have to develop the same process orientation for the development of the Baha'i community. Another part of the new attitudes we need is the ability to give attention to several things at the same time. Again, we need parents to bring these skills to us. When the telephone is ringing, something is boiling on the stove, at the same time the child wants something, all meed to be handled at the same time. We are learning to give attention to the local, national and international needs of the faith at the same time rather than one after the other. The world around us is oriented to events, not processes, and it is oriented to working on things in sequence rather than simultaneously, whereas we have to work on development of the teaching work, development of the administrative institutions and development of the World Centre. The third part of these new attitudes is that we have to develop an attitude of mind which takes account of interaction in various elements. It is an organic unit, and in an organic unit things are connected together. For example, teaching and administration. There is one place where the Guardian says the development of the teaching work is the most important thing to develop, not administration. A few messages later, he said the exact opposite - that the administration is the chief way to develop the teaching work - and we want to say: "Please make up your mind!". In fact, both are true because the Guardian, with his infinite patience, is introducing us to the concept of two entities which interrelate constructively. Each one is the main agent for the development of the other one. The same with the expansion and consolidation. People say:"Which one is more important?". Some people say:"Now is the time for expansion - quick, a catastrophe is coming, bring them in. We'll consolidate them later." Others say "Consolidation! Let us make it strong, then they'll come in." Both views are extreme. It is an interactive relationship. Both go together. On the final part of the new attitudes we need, the House of Justice has called for the development of a new culture in the Baha'i community. Some of the features they called for were a culture in which there is a natural expectation of growth. Just as with children, you naturally expect them to grow and they grow while you are looking at them. So we want this culture where your natural expectation is that is a growth community and this, of course, is a psychological point because if you naturally expect it, it tends more likely to come true. This new culture should have a universal approach to learning: Thinking about things, taking action which gives experience, reflecting on this, and modifying one's action. A process of learning. If you put it very crudely, what we mean is that we want Baha'i communities which will make mistakes. Not because we like mistakes but because making mistakes is an evidence of a learning process. We want them to make a start: not wait forever till they make it perfect - we will die first - but make a start. We say to them:"It is better of you don't keep making the same mistakes over again, but learning involves making a new mistake next time." It gets too boring of you make the same mistake again, but certainly we want this culture of learning, which is not judgemental or critical. We want a culture in the Baha'i community that reflects unity in diversity and has harmony as part of it. We have to allow for diversity. Some people are noisy, some people are quiet, and we have to allow for each one to find their expression. Our culture should include a balance between individual initiative and obedience to collective decision. If all you have is individual initiative, nothing much will be enduring. People are going in all directions. If you have too much emphasis on the collective action, you have an ant heap. So what we need is a balance between individual initiative and collective action. Collective action is enduring; individual initiative is creative and gives a diversity to the community. The final thing I want to mention is some of the new actions that are called for in the Five Year Plan. It is important to realise that we are building a process. We must continue all the things we were doing in the Four Year Plan, all the things we were doing in the One Year Plan, which included children's education and emphasis on junior youth and so on. The House of Justice is progressively building a great system of teaching and consolidation, expansion and consolidation, building it piece by piece. Now there is one new process added in the Five Year Plan. Other processes will be added. Frighteningly, we don't know what they are. The House of Justice will be guided to devise these and add them as time goes on. The members of the House of Justice are not worried about the fact that we don't know what these future elements are because God will guide the institutions of the Faith. They will become clear to us. The new element of the Five Year Plan, I think, is in the messages of January 2001 which were addressed to the meeting of the Boards of Counsellors. It is also referred to in the Ridvan message launching the Five Year Plan. It is focused on the teaching work - just as the institute programs have an effect on teaching but are focused on the acquisition of knowledge and skills. It involves dividing each country into pieces, clusters. A cluster may be a number of villages or towns, one city, a city and its suburbs - it is an area of the country that is manageable as far as activity goes. It depends on the culture, the language, the way transportation patterns are, where the freeways and rail-roads are and so on. And it depends on the social and economic activity of the people. It may be that there is a regional city and everybody comes there for marketing or trade or other cultural activities. Then the cluster is that city and the surrounding area. So there is no one such rule. Each National Assembly considers what is appropriate to their area. If that is not complicated enough, they say" please divide them into four categories. Basically, we want each category to progress to the next one - the one that has no believers to become one that has a few believers, the one that had a few believers to become the third category, and established community with a good program of activity. Then the third category to become the fourth category: a strong community with deepened believers in a strong form. So if each category has to become the next one, what does the fourth one have to do? The answer is in the messages of the House of Justice: In this fourth category, with a strong community ready to take on intensive work of expansion and consolidation, we want them to really focus on intensive teaching work. To carry on what is called an intensive growth program to bring in a large number of believers using the training institute, collaboration of the various bodies in their enthusiastic teaching work and so on. You can see from the things we did in the past that we learned from our mistakes. If we had intensive teaching programs in places where there was not a strong community, we lost most of them. But now, step by step, clusters of areas develop from one stage to the other and when they reach a good stage of strength, then we can use them as the launching place for an intensive teaching program. There is also a sense of history repeating itself. In the Ten Year Crusade, heroic believers went out to new territories all over the world as pioneers. No I think, in this 20-year period from now till the centenary of the Formative Age, we will summon up the same heroic spirit of enterprise for home front pioneering to cluster areas where there are no believers. There will be a similar sense of sacrifice and heroism and difficulties faced, as they were by the pioneers of the Ten Year Crusade. And there will be a similar success. CONCLUSION We are working together on a vast spiritual enterprise drawing on these great spiritual powers. We are part of something that is growing and developing and becoming stronger with the passage of time. And there are not many of these in the world today. A lot of things are falling down but God has blessed us in that we are part of a growing organisation, a spiritual entity. What the Five Year Plan offers us is hard work and sacrifice. But what it offers us as well is the satisfaction of feeling that we have fulfilled our purpose in life. It offers us the deep satisfaction that our activities are aligned with the Will of God for this age. Nothing, absolutely nothing, compares with this satisfaction and happiness. THE END ---------- From: FG[SMTP:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 4:04 PM To: bn872@freenet.carleton.ca Subject: Re: Fundamentalism & Anti-intellectualism Michael, Well, I don't know. I lost my optimism long ago when it came to the worst elements among my fellow bahais and strive to avoid making predictions, keeping to short views. AOL is quite worthless and utterly manipulated and censored by Maneck et al who nevertheless struggle for access to the 25+ million AOL subscribers who can't but help stumble into the bahai message boards at least occasionally. The only reason I continue to post to AOL is to provide such people with the possibility of knowing the sad tale of infamy.... I have a narrative poem, The Bower of Nil, forthcoming this October, in which I try to grapple with the complexity, as I feel it, of some of these issues. I'd like to mail you a review copy, if you're interested. The first section is on www.fglaysher.com I admire your tenacious voice for values my fellow bahais no longer share. Best, Fred FG@comcast.net (please keep this email address between ourselves) In a message dated 7/19/2002 12:54:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bn872@freenet.carleton.ca writes: Subj:Re: Fundamentalism & Anti-intellectualism Date:7/19/2002 12:54:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: bn872@freenet.carleton.ca (Michael McKenny) Reply-to: bn872@freenet.carleton.ca To: Fglaysh12002@aol.com CC: bn872@freenet.carleton.ca Greetings, Frederick. You wrote: > >Michael, > >It's all typical Maneck on AOL.... Same games as trb. She's been slandering >Juan lately again too. Incredible how unrelenting the fundamentalists are in >their distortions and dishonesty. Pathetic, really. > >What do you think of it all, these many years later? Thanks for providing the location for this. Is the aol site moderated? Personally, I've been boycotting aol for several years ever since it was announced and debated on soc.culture.irish that aol would not permit any posts in the Irish language. As to Baha'i, I think it's fascinating how the time passage now may allow a bit of historical perspective. We were too personally involved and too close to what was going on, in my opinion, to have that kind of detachment. Now, we can think about it (I think) a bit more as we can any other historical event. We all had been told to expect entry by troops and attacks against the Faith, including internal attacks. We were not expecting this internal attack to be conducted by members of the UHJ, nor were we prepared for Baha'is to attack the process of entry by troops. Some of the details of this have been and are being gathered. The more significant thing is the attempt to utilize internal points and thoughts to overcome the current mess. This is the main reason for my posts about setting up a list of the names, etc. of NSA members, etc. And this also provides an opportunity to document where Baha'i goes from here, who are the individuals who are making the decisions and what decisions do they make. It doesn't really relate to me, inasmuch as now that I have openly said I'm pagan and begun to follow this path, that will likely be where I am, at least for the rest of this incarnation. However, the future is wide open for all the rest of Baha'i. It could well be that officially it will stay fundamentalist for some time to come, but I don't believe in predestination. I don't think that's inevitable. And, since liberalism is more beneficial than fundamentalism, I'm happy to share my opinions on TRB and elsewhere as to how I think the fundamentalist era can be shortened. Very Best Wishes, Michael. > >Best, > >Fred >FG@comcast.net > > -- "My name's McKenny, Mike McKenny, Warrant Officer, Solar Guard." (Tom Corbett #1 STAND BY FOR MARS p2) ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb05.mx.aol.com (rly-xb05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.106]) by air-xb05.mail.aol.com (v86_r1.16) with ESMTP id MAILINXB54-0719125407; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:54:07 -0400 Received: from freenet.carleton.ca (freenet1.carleton.ca [134.117.136.20]) by rly-xb05.mx.aol.com (v86_r1.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXB55-0719125342; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:53:42 -0400 Received: from freenet10.carleton.ca (freenet10 [134.117.136.30]) by freenet.carleton.ca (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6/NCF_f1_v3.03) with ESMTP id g6JGraP06281; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bn872@localhost) by freenet10.carleton.ca (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6/NCF_smarthost_v1.01) id g6JGoMx24981; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200207191650.g6JGoMx24981@freenet10.carleton.ca> From: bn872@freenet.carleton.ca (Michael McKenny) To: Fglaysh12002@aol.com Subject: Re: Fundamentalism & Anti-intellectualism Cc: bn872@freenet.carleton.ca Reply-To: bn872@freenet.carleton.ca ---------- From: FG[SMTP:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 7:19 AM To: ajay@mercury.aichemarizona.edu Subject: Please DELETE these following messages and links from me, ajay@mercury.aichemarizona.edu https://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ Please DELETE these following messages and links from me, as well as any other that might be on your server, from your databases. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Soc.Religion.Hindu Archives by Thread ... RFD for talk.religion.bahai Posted By Frederick Glaysher - Sat, 18 Jan 1997 09:30:17 ... Please add to the discussion and vote. Frederick Glaysher Rochester, Michigan USA ... Re: Re[2]: REQUEST ... www.hindunet.org/srh_home/1997_1/thread.html . Translate More pages from www.hindunet.org Soc.Religion.Hindu Archives by Date ... 18 07:07:25 1997 ESTPosted By Frederick Glaysher A Request For Discussion (RFD) on an ... Please add to the discussion and vote. Frederick Glaysher Rochester, Michigan USA ... Re: REQUEST : Bhagavad ... www.hindunet.org/srh_home/1997_1/index.html . Translate More pages from www.hindunet.org ---------- From: FG[SMTP:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 7:36 AM To: webmaster@hindunet.org Subject: Please DELETE these following messages and links from me, ajay@mercury.aichemarizona.edu https://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ Please DELETE these following messages and links from me, as well as any other that might be on your server, from your databases. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Soc.Religion.Hindu Archives by Thread ... RFD for talk.religion.bahai Posted By Frederick Glaysher - Sat, 18 Jan 1997 09:30:17 ... Please add to the discussion and vote. Frederick Glaysher Rochester, Michigan USA ... Re: Re[2]: REQUEST ... www.hindunet.org/srh_home/1997_1/thread.html . Translate More pages from www.hindunet.org Soc.Religion.Hindu Archives by Date ... 18 07:07:25 1997 ESTPosted By Frederick Glaysher A Request For Discussion (RFD) on an ... Please add to the discussion and vote. Frederick Glaysher Rochester, Michigan USA ... Re: REQUEST : Bhagavad ... www.hindunet.org/srh_home/1997_1/index.html . Translate More pages from www.hindunet.org ---------- From: FG[SMTP:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 7:37 AM To: hsc@hindunet.org Subject: Please DELETE these following messages and links from me, ajay@mercury.aichemarizona.edu https://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ Please DELETE these following messages and links from me, as well as any other that might be on your server, from your databases. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Soc.Religion.Hindu Archives by Thread ... RFD for talk.religion.bahai Posted By Frederick Glaysher - Sat, 18 Jan 1997 09:30:17 ... Please add to the discussion and vote. Frederick Glaysher Rochester, Michigan USA ... Re: Re[2]: REQUEST ... www.hindunet.org/srh_home/1997_1/thread.html . Translate More pages from www.hindunet.org Soc.Religion.Hindu Archives by Date ... 18 07:07:25 1997 ESTPosted By Frederick Glaysher A Request For Discussion (RFD) on an ... Please add to the discussion and vote. Frederick Glaysher Rochester, Michigan USA ... Re: REQUEST : Bhagavad ... www.hindunet.org/srh_home/1997_1/index.html . Translate More pages from www.hindunet.org ---------- From: FG[SMTP:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 7:39 AM To: editor@rbhatnagar.csm.uc.edu Subject: Please DELETE these following messages and links from me, https://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ Please DELETE these following messages and links from me, as well as any other that might be on your server, from your databases. Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Soc.Religion.Hindu Archives by Thread ... RFD for talk.religion.bahai Posted By Frederick Glaysher - Sat, 18 Jan 1997 09:30:17 ... Please add to the discussion and vote. Frederick Glaysher Rochester, Michigan USA ... Re: Re[2]: REQUEST ... www.hindunet.org/srh_home/1997_1/thread.html . Translate More pages from www.hindunet.org Soc.Religion.Hindu Archives by Date ... 18 07:07:25 1997 ESTPosted By Frederick Glaysher A Request For Discussion (RFD) on an ... Please add to the discussion and vote. Frederick Glaysher Rochester, Michigan USA ... Re: REQUEST : Bhagavad ... www.hindunet.org/srh_home/1997_1/index.html . Translate More pages from www.hindunet.org ---------- From: Ron House[SMTP:house@usq.edu.au] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:22 PM Subject: Re: Professor Maneck's welcome wagon Susan Maneck wrote: > >You are overlooking the fact that he is talking about people who > >poisoned Baha'u'llah or tried to get 'Abdu'l-Baha executed by telling > >lies to the Ottoman government - > > We have people on this list who are trying to get Baha'is executed by > associating them with zionists, etc. and they haven't even been declared > Covenant breakers! Another of your 'creative interpretation'? For the benefit of readers who don't know how this piece of work operates, let's look at the above. Some allegations have been posted here concerning involvement of the Baha'i admin in events in Iran etc. So this specimen attaches her own interpretation that this came from ones "who are trying to get Baha'is executed". And she'll surely give you a long string of her _own_ deductions "explaining" why whatever the original posters said is the same as "trying to get Baha'is executed". But the fact is that the original posters were discussing an _issue_, and this one has attached her own opinion to it as if it were a factual and verified statement about the original posters' intentions. If the casual reader were to believe her, they might well think that somewhere there is someone gleefully anticipating the next murder in Iran. But of course, no one here has said "Gee I hope a few Baha'is get murdered this week", and I'll bet she doesn't have any evidence, such as a recording from a bugged phone, that gets the goods on anyone. No, she made this little "gem" up, entirely of her own accord, to denigrate certain persons whose names will be known to many posters here. If this were the the first, or a rare, occasion on which this specimen had got up to this shenanigan, we might let it pass. But it is, in my experience, her typical pattern of "debate": take something from another poster, think out some uncharitable 'consequence' that she thinks follows from it, and then assert as factual that the original posters were in favour of her uncharitable interpretation. It is, imho, a fundamentally malicious and dishonest way to conduct debate. I don't think I'll spoil my day by answering any of your specific comments about this subject. As others have said much the same thing, I'll answer them instead. > warmest, Susan As for the warmest Susan, if you keep going like this, in the next world that may well be the case. -- Ron House house@usq.edu.au https://www.sci.usq.edu.au/staff/house ---------- From: FG[SMTP:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 7:22 AM To: rudycarrera@netscape.net Subject: Baha'i Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience, Frederick Glaysher Please remove or update your link to my website: https://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/religion_bahai.htm Thank you. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: FG[SMTP:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 7:15 AM To: editor@bahaiworldnews.org Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: FG[SMTP:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 7:16 AM To: 1country@bic.org Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: NCF Office[SMTP:office@freenet.carleton.ca] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:45 AM To: FG@comcast.net Cc: office@freenet.carleton.ca Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Thank you. I have forwarded your message to the volunteer involved. :) Sheila This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_vBExRkxQry1Bfs12d0g5bA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. 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Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "onno vinkhuyzen" To: "Frederick Glaysher" Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 12:50 PM Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Are you mad? At 07:21 6-12-2002 -0500, you wrote: >Please consider adding my website to your page of links. > >Frederick Glaysher >The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >https://fglaysher.com/bahaice nsorship/ > > I knew not what amazement was Until I made Thy love my cause. O how amazing would it be If I were not amazed by Thee! (Ibn-i-Fįrid) ---------- From: kumiko[SMTP:kumiko@adherents.com] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:08 AM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Thank you for taking the time to write! We'll take a look at the link... Preston Hunter www.adherents.com ---------- From: FG To: literature@adherents.com Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Date: Fri, Dec 6, 2002, 7:02 AM The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: Justice St. Rain[SMTP:bahai@bluemarble.net] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 12:48 AM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: RE: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience There was nothing there - or was that the point? -----Original Message----- From: FG [mailto:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 7:21 AM To: bahai@bluemarble.net Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: FG[SMTP:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 8:29 AM To: nsabahaitt@wow.net Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: FG[SMTP:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 8:31 AM To: info@vi.bahai.org Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: jonas.eriksson@jeco.nu[SMTP:jonas.eriksson@jeco.nu] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 10:33 AM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Dear Mr Graysher, thank you for your mail. Although, I dont think a link to your site would not be suitable on www.bahai.se right now. My personal reflection is that critisicm is good and fruitful, but it should be commented and viewed from many standpoints. Have you read "Making the crooked straight" by Udo Schaefer et al.? It would be interesting to hear what you think of it. Best wishes Jonas Eriksson, webauthor at www.bahai.se > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > > > Please consider adding my website to your page of links. > > Frederick Glaysher > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ > > > ---------- From: FG[SMTP:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:22 PM To: jonas.eriksson@jeco.nu Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Mr. Eriksson, Thank you for your cordial response and invitation to comment on Udo Schaefer's apologia. While I had read much of Schaefer's earlier work, I now feel, as long as the uhj continues to impose the "temporary" measure of "review," it's quite pointless any longer to read the "scholarship" it produces. Best wishes, Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Frederick Glaysher" Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 10:33 AM Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > Dear Mr Graysher, thank you for your mail. Although, I dont think a link to your site > would not be suitable on www.bahai.se right now. My personal reflection is that critisicm > is good and fruitful, but it should be commented and viewed from many standpoints. Have > you read "Making the crooked straight" by Udo Schaefer et al.? It would be interesting to > hear what you think of it. > Best wishes > Jonas Eriksson, webauthor at www.bahai.se > > > > > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > > > > > > Please consider adding my website to your page of links. > > > > Frederick Glaysher > > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > > https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ > > ---------- From: Oli Habibi[SMTP:oli@b-youth.com] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:39 PM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Hi Frederick, my name is Oli Habibi, I'm the webmaster for the Glasgow (Scotland) Baha'i Community's website (www.bahai.org.uk/glasgow/) Thanks for submitting the link, I've had a little look around and have decided not to add it to the site, but I will do you the courtesy of explaining why :) Suppression of expression in the Baha'i Faith _is_ an interesting topic for me, I don't agree with many of the arguments and do with some others, either way I don't see it as a problem to discuss the issues, especially in a mature academic discourse as opposed to blind hysterical accusations. Like I said I am aware of many of the arguments put forth on your site, indeed my wife has exchanged several emails with Steven Scholl, the first author linked on your site, and I have investigated some of his and others' claims personally. With it's emphasis on individual investigation of truth, the Baha'i Faith (I believe) encourages me to question my beliefs in order to strengthen their foundations when I find the right answer; there are also many references to the fact that science has an important responsibility to test the claims of religion in order to weed out falsehoods, the likes of which have evidently seeped into other religions (for example, the Catholic church's insistence that the world is flat). To that end I believe that people like Scholl are, of course, entitled to their opinion, as long as it's a constructive, reasonable and accurate criticism. These points of view are important and should be looked at in their context - and my wife has pointed out to me that the unfortunate episodes that make up these stories are virtually all as a result of human error in interpreting scripture, (the second paper mentions the infallibility of the Baha'i institutions, which, as it turns out, is only applicable to the UHJ under very specific circumstances. I have just come from an LSA meeting and certainly don't feel infallible!!) rather than the scriptures themselves. Not that I am belittling the problem, the Spanish Inquisition or Northern Ireland problems (which spill over to Glasgow) are very comparable results in other religions that have been blighted; I believe it would be a terrible shame were the same to happen to the Bahais. The Baha'i Faith is set up to be a very personal religion and so no individual can force an opinion on any other, if that happens, as seems the case from your website, then it is sad and against the spirit of the Faith. I accept that there is this problem around, and appreciate that the circumstances must be very difficult for the parties involved. The reason I've decided not to put this on the Glasgow Site is not that I deny these happenings (like I imagine many do), but that we use the site as an introduction to the Faith and as a small hub for the local members who do use it. There are administrative bodies in place that hopefully would deal correctly with these situations (there are the Auxillary Board Members for protection, who I would guess are the logical people to deal with this), and it just seems that we might as well concentrate on the positive... as a member of the Glasgow community, a member of the LSA, a Ruhi tutor and assistant to the Training institute board for Scotland I am trying very hard to help the local and national communities mature to a point that these situations are eradicated. I don't deny that they do happen, I do actually think that they shouldn't be brushed under the carpet, I just think that we are trying to concentrate on the positive (make the world a better place, right? :) ) and simply try our best to avoid alienating any of our members by definition. On a personal note, I'll certainly be reading your site and trying to avoid being the person that causes anyone to be so hurt by such a generally wonderful religion. Thanks for getting in contact, Oliver Habibi ----- Original Message ----- From: FG To: glasgow@b-youth.com Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 10:59 AM Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ --- Mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (https://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.426 / Virus Database: 239 - Release Date: 02/12/2002 ---------- From: Justice St. Rain[SMTP:bahai@bluemarble.net] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 4:08 PM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: RE: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience My appoligies, my web browser was malfunctioning. I've seen your site, but as a policy, we do not provide links to other sites. Justice -----Original Message----- From: FG [mailto:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 7:21 AM To: bahai@bluemarble.net Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: David Stiles[SMTP:stilite@es.co.nz] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 3:59 PM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Um,,no! >The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > > >Please consider adding my website to your page of links. > >Frederick Glaysher >The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ > > > > > > > > > > > >
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DIV> ---------- From: onno vinkhuyzen[SMTP:omv@cistron.nl] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 6:41 PM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience If that were true, then please stop pittying your poor hurt ego and put the unity of the Cause first. That's what the world needs. Whether you like it or not. Nobody ever said it would be easy or nice. Onno I knew not what amazement was Until I made Thy love my cause. O how amazing would it be If I were not amazed by Thee! (Ibn-i-Fįrid) ---------- From: clem yong[SMTP:tnemelc@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 11:23 PM To: FG@comcast.net; martay@pl.jaring.my Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Mr Glaysher, I see where you are coming from. I have gone through your site and do understand the need for opposing views into the Baha'i faith. It is a good thing. However, in my opinion, the course of action by which you have taken to provide that opposing view is improper. Some links which i have visited like the Bahaifarm is not only uninformative but also a mockery. I find the "seven commandments for Baha'is" demeaning. If you want to achieve the goal you have set out to do, may i suggest another approach that looks into the fundamentals of the faith and not one that is pinpointed on the faults of people? I mean... not everyone can practice their religion perfectly. I personally find that your site does not provide opposing views into the teachings of the faith, but rather, is bent on providing an opposing view by attacking people. For example, your publication on the sex charges at https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/danesh.htm I do not see what connection this has with the Baha'i faith. What you are doing is similar to the people who attack the Islamic faith by judging terrorists who are muslim. Having said that Mr. Glaysher, I will submit your request to the committee and will send you an email after they have made a decision ok? If I have misunderstood anything, please let me know. regards, Clement Yong "Ignorance is the source of all prejudice" ----Original Message Follows---- From: FG Reply-To: Frederick Glaysher To: martay@pl.jaring.my, tnemelc@hotmail.com Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:23:12 -0500 The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online https://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ---------- From: Judith & Robin[SMTP:robin4judith@love.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 4:08 PM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Hi Thanks for your msg - however our site has no links section. Thanks, Robin. ----- Original Message ----- From: FG To: robin4judith@love.co.uk Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 10:34 AM Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: Bahai Faith[SMTP:BI*P*GS@LIBERTY.COM] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 6:44 AM Subject: bahai - Hoda Mahmoudi - Coercion of Conscience - over 600 fundamentalists followed the advice of fanatic Mark Towfiq and others bahai - Hoda Mahmoudi - Coercion of Conscience - The Mahmoudi message was sent to me the very morning of the day that the first voting period for talk.religion.bahai ended on March 31, 1997 and the RESULTS was posted, when over 600 fundamentalists followed the advice of fanatic Mark Towfiq and others to oppose free speech and open discussion.... https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Towfiq.htm https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/1stRESULT.htm If a letter was sent to Mahoudi, it addressed only that context. It's a well known fact that Maneck is Gharidian's sycophant. If she has been given a letter intended for the context of Hoda Mahmoudi's interferring in the free and unfettered voting for talk.religion.bahai, thereby violating the very Words of Abdu'l-Baha extolling freedom of speech and conscience and which led me to appeal to the uhj for an explanation of Mahmoudi's deceitful interference, let her post a copy of it on talk.religion.bahai, though it is tantamount to backbiting and further slander, in my opinion, to distort a communication in one context to fit the evil designs of a corrupted fundamentalist administration in another. See Mahmoudi's deceitfully sugarcoated, intimidating letter at the bottom of the link below. Note that Mahmoudi never asked to meet with me but to telephone her. The other claims along these lines are false, i.e., that if a letter or message was sent to Mahmoudi it was posted to Usenet. Further note that the administration is definitely interferring in free speech and conscience here on talk.religion.bahai and other online venues through their various sycophants in contradistinction to Abdu'l-Baha's elevating vision. To the Universal House of Justice - March 31, 1997 https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/To-UHJ1.htm To the Universal House of Justice - July 24, 1998 https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/UHJ72498.htm https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/uhj12-10-99.htm I reiterate that I am under no obligation to believe the claims of vulgar liars and slanderous pseudo-academicians distorting past events and communications to fit a now different agenda. https://groups.google.com/groups?selm=f0853486.0109141001.2fd2b8c%40posting.g oogle.com&output=gplain I notified the nsa of my declaration of belief in Baha'u'llah in 1976. They acknowledged my declaration by sending me back the ID card available for viewing on my homepage and by accepting monetary contributions from me for years, not to mention many personal sacrifices. Further details of my participation in the bahai faith, in sundry ways, may be found in my uhj letters also accessible from my homepage. If the nsa has unilaterally changed my status as a member of the bahai faith, the obligation resides with them to notify me to that effect, which they have never done.... I urge the non-bahai looking in on this exchange to investigate and reflect carefully on the issues involved and on what they reveal about the bahai faith in practice versus theory.... Consider too that the real target of the fundamentalist attack on me may actually be the bahai community at large, to strike fear and obedience in their hearts in order to control them and to insure their submission, lest they too become the object of such a ferocious, incessant onslaught of slander and abuse.... Other relevant messages and details at https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/nsa1996.htm https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/images/Bahai-IDgif.gif For those who think this smear campaign is something new, Google archives my being hounding by the fundamentalists along these lines for years: https://groups.google.com/groups?q=Mahmoudi&hl=en&group=talk.religion.bahai&f ilter=0 I place my trust in Baha'u'llah. And I am a Baha'i in *Perfectly* Good Standing. I repeat that if a letter was written to Mahmoudi and Maneck has a copy of it, let her post it to talk.religion.bahai.... Maneck stated I had written and posted a message to Mahmoudi on google. I've neither acknowledged nor denied that I wrote a letter to her but rather that if one exists she's free to post it to talk.religion.bahai. If such a letter ever existed, it never appeared on my website. Note: Maneck has again revealed the extent to which she works behind the scenes with the fundamentalist elements of the administration. Her obvious game here is merely to discredit and smear me with malicious charges based on distortions taken out of context. I've answered her distortions sufficiently below. Her personal insults reveal much about her and the tactics of her fellow fundamentalists who have also betrayed Abdu'l-Baha's great Words, "in the world of religion there should be the right of unrestricted individual belief." The link below demonstrates no such message from me to Mahmoudi exists on Google: https://groups.google.com/groups?q=Mahmoudi&hl=en&group=talk.religion.bahai&f ilter=0 And it's not on my website. Since you're the one claiming it exists and was posted on my website, it's up to you to prove it. If your bosses have given you a copy, post it here on talk.religion.bahai. Or are you a liar, who can only libel, slander, smear, and discredit other bahais who don't share your fundamentalist interpretations with bogus claims, attempting to drive them out since you can't tolerate anyone who doesn't mirror back to you your own literal-minded views.... More insight on Hoda Mahmoudi by Paul Dodenhoff who resigned from the bahai faith and his position as an Assistant to the Auxiliary Board : https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/srb95.htm -- Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ See too David Langness, author of the censored "Modest Proposal," on Hoda Mahmoudi: "I would advise you to be careful about any meetings, calls orcorrespondence with Hoda Mahmoudi, who used to be an ABM here in Southern California. She is quite conservative, and sees herself -- as do many of the appointed branch, sadly -- as a staunch defender of the Faith and the faithful, able and more than willing to marginalize people like you and I to discredit our ideas. This cultlike practice of shunning and casting out any dissidents has unfortunately become the chief tactic of those fundamentalist Baha'is bent on maintaining the current leadership. My worry is that the more progressive Baha'is like Juan Cole and Steve Scholl and yourself will all leave the Faith and thereby increase the power of the conservatives." https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Langness.htm ---------- From: info@bahai.org.br[SMTP:info@bahai.org.br] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 6:46 AM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Exclude us in your mailing! Thanks. ------------- Segue mensagem original ------------- De: Frederick Glaysher Data: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:08:37 -0500 Para: info@bahai.org.br Assunto: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience This is a multi-part message in MIME format. The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: Baha'is of Lowestoft[SMTP:bahai.lowestoft@btinternet.com] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 7:15 AM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience You have been added to my blocked senders list. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (https://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/02 ---------- From: Secretary, Great Falls Baha'is[SMTP:secretary@greatfallsbahais.org] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 12:28 PM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Dear Mr. Glysher, I'm sorry, sir, but I don't think the Baha'i community here would like that. I'm sorry for what has happened to you. I'm facing a similar situation though it would be a bit less harsh. The "judgment" would be deprivation. I will read your website and I'm sure I'll agree with much of it. God bless you and your loved ones. Nichole Fausey ----- Original Message ----- From: FG To: Secretary@GreatFallsBahais.org Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 4:32 AM Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: FG@hotmail.com[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:41 PM To: abuse@hypermart.net Subject: Re: Notice of account removal - www.fglaysher.com Hypermart.Net I'm quite surprised and even shocked that my website at www.fglaysher.com which I believe is on server104 has been removed for "spam." I have been a member of hypermart.net since before it was even owned by the Go2Net Network in 1998. I value my account and relationship with Hypermart and am very distressed to find my account deleted. Please note I have another Hypermart account on https://homes.hypermart.net I believe I have had a long and happy relationship with Hypermart that you should be able to easily verify. While I emailed out separately from a non-hypermart email account approximately 400 individual emails, I did not "spam" anyone, as I understand the term: Mass emailing with a solicitation for commerce to huge numbers of people with one click. Each email was sent separately. There is a long and complicated history of fundamentalists of the Baha'i Faith censoring all dissent on and off the Internet. Professor Juan R. I. Cole of the University of Michigan's Department of History has written and especially insightful article that might help you understand what is really involved: "Fundamentalism in the Contemporary U.S. Baha'i Community," Religious Studies Review, Vol. 43, no. 3 (March, 2002):195-217: https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm I'm concerned that in order to suppress the various opinions represented on my website the fanatical elements among my fellow Baha'is have essentially SPAMMED Hypermart with denunciations and accusations in the hope of having me and other effectively silenced. This is a tactic they have used on many occasions as witnessed by Professor Cole and others. I regret to see Hypermart deceived in such a similar way. I would be happy to discuss the removal of my account more with you over the telephone if you'd like at 248-651-3380. Please consider restoring my account which I use primarily for my business of . I shall make note of your apparent concerns and will be careful not to commit anything you might consider to be a similar infraction. Thank you for your understanding and help. 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While I emailed out separately from a non-hypermart email account approximately 400 individual emails, I did not "spam" anyone, as I understand the term: Mass emailing with a solicitation for commerce to huge numbers of people with one click. Each email was sent separately. There is a long and complicated history of fundamentalists of the Baha'i Faith censoring all dissent on and off the Internet. Professor Juan R. I. Cole of the University of Michigan's Department of History has written and especially insightful article that might help you understand what is really involved: "Fundamentalism in the Contemporary U.S. Baha'i Community," Religious Studies Review, Vol. 43, no. 3 (March, 2002):195-217: https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm I'm concerned that in order to suppress the various opinions represented on my website the fanatical elements among my fellow Baha'is have essentially SPAMMED Hypermart with denunciations and accusations in the hope of having me and other effectively silenced. This is a tactic they have used on many occasions as witnessed by Professor Cole and others. I regret to see Hypermart deceived in such a similar way. I would be happy to discuss the removal of my account more with you over the telephone if you'd like at 248-651-3380. Please consider restoring my account which I use primarily for my business of . I shall make note of your apparent concerns and will be careful not to commit anything you might consider to be a similar infraction. Thank you for your understanding and help. 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If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message. --Original Message-- From: FG@hotmail.com Date: 12/09/02 To: abuse@hypermart.net Subject: Re: Notice of account removal - www.fglaysher.com[#436997] Hypermart.Net I'm quite surprised and even shocked that my website at www.fglaysher.com which I believe is on server104 has been removed for "spam." I have been a member of hypermart.net since before it was even owned by the Go2Net Network in 1998. I value my account and relationship with Hypermart and am very distressed to find my account deleted. Please note I have another Hypermart account on https://homes.hypermart.net I believe I have had a long and happy relationship with Hypermart that you should be able to easily verify. While I emailed out separately from a non-hypermart email account approximately 400 individual emails, I did not "spam" anyone, as I understand the term: Mass emailing with a solicitation for commerce to huge numbers of people with one click. Each email was sent separately. There is a long and complicated history of fundamentalists of the Baha'i Faith censoring all dissent on and off the Internet. Professor Juan R. I. Cole of the University of Michigan's Department of History has written and especially insightful article that might help you understand what is really involved: "Fundamentalism in the Contemporary U.S. Baha'i Community," Religious Studies Review, Vol. 43, no. 3 (March, 2002):195-217: https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm I'm concerned that in order to suppress the various opinions represented on my website the fanatical elements among my fellow Baha'is have essentially SPAMMED Hypermart with denunciations and accusations in the hope of having me and other effectively silenced. This is a tactic they have used on many occasions as witnessed by Professor Cole and others. I regret to see Hypermart deceived in such a similar way. I would be happy to discuss the removal of my account more with you over the telephone if you'd like at 248-651-3380. Please consider restoring my account which I use primarily for my business of . I shall make note of your apparent concerns and will be careful not to commit anything you might consider to be a similar infraction. Thank you for your understanding and help. I hope to hear from you as soon as possible. -- Frederick Glaysher www.fglaysher.com FG@hotmail.com Rochester Hills, Michigan USA Phone: 248-651-3380 >From: abuse@hypermart.net >To: FG@hotmail.com >Subject: Notice of account removal >Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 11:54:06 -0800 >Received: from mr1.sef.inspinc.ad ([66.150.2.107]) by >mc7-f13.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Mon, 9 Dec >2002 11:54:06 -0800 >Received: (qmail 5185 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 19:54:06 -0000 >Received: from humvee2.sef.inspinc.ad (HELO humvee2.go2net.com) >(10.120.76.102) by mr1.sef.inspinc.ad with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 19:54:06 -0000 >Received: from crack by humvee2.go2net.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 >(Debian))id 18LTyg-0000Hd-00for ; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 >11:54:06 -0800 >Message-Id: >Sender: >Return-Path: crack@hypermart.net >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2002 19:54:06.0219 (UTC) >FILETIME=[BB246DB0:01C29FBC] > >Dear Valued HyperMart Member: > >We regret to inform you that your account >fglaysher will be deleted from our servers >within the next 48 hours because it violates our >Terms of Service, found at >https://www.hypermart.net/t/account/policies/tos. > >Reason: multiple spam complaints [428110] Subject: The Bahai Faith & >Religious Freedom of Conscience > >It is for the above reason that we have been forced to >schedule the removal of your account fglaysher >from our servers. > >If you believe the action we have taken is in error, >please contact us at abuse@hypermart.net with the >following account information: > > > User Name: fglaysher > Site URL: fglaysher.com > > >Our goal is to continue to provide our customers with >the best possible hosting and ecommerce services. By >enforcing our Terms of Service, we can achieve a >secure and professional environment in which to >conduct business online. > > >Thank you, > > >The HyperMart Team _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. https://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ---------- From: FG@hotmail.com[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:35 AM To: abuse@hypermart.net Subject: RE:Re: Notice of account removal - www.fglaysher.com [#436997] Hypermart I sent out individual emails. That's NOT spam. You really don't have the slightest clue about the issues involved with the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais, how they've duped you, and have clearly made no effort whatsoever to find out, for instance by reading Prof. Cole's article before deleting my website. https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm NOTE WELL: The organization the 19 emails you immediately believed before contacting me came from an organization that has often been compared to Scientology by informed people, bahais, ex-bahais, and non-bahais.... That fanatics have learned how to use Spamcop to their advantage demonstrates all the more their deceit and treachery, thoroughly documented by Prof. Cole. Since my website was scheduled for renewal anyway by chance, I'm taking my business elsewhere. As far as I'm concerned, after YEARS of loyalty to Hypermart, you have treated me in a reprehensible manner. -- Frederick Glaysher Rochester Hills, Michigan USA www.fglaysher.com >From: abuse@hypermart.net >To: FG@hotmail.com >Subject: RE:Re: Notice of account removal - www.fglaysher.com [#436997] >Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:22:13 -0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mail1.infospace.com ([206.29.197.87]) by mc1-f3.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:22:15 -0800 >Received: (qmail 8678 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 15:22:15 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO ketel.inspinc.ad) (10.100.11.49) by jim.inspinc.ad with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 15:22:15 -0000 >Received: (qmail 12984 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 15:22:14 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO EGAINWEB2) ([10.100.29.130]) (envelope-sender ) by ketel.inspinc.ad (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Dec 2002 15:22:14 -0000 >Message-ID: >Return-Path: abuse@hypermart.net >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2002 15:22:15.0794 (UTC) FILETIME=[EBC8D520:01C2A05F] > > >Hello, > >We've received 19 different spam complaints concerning the spam that was sent out advertising your site. Here is a copy of just one of spam complaints we've received: > >ABUSE] [SpamCop (https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/) id:131495446]The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience [infosp] 12/07/02 > Internap has received an abuse complaint related to the possible >distribution of unsolicited e-mail (spam) or a possible security violation >from you or one of your customers. We are forwarding the complaint to you >so that you may take appropriate measures to address the issue. > >The purpose of this message is to inform you of a complaint we have >received as if you had received the complaint directly. We have not >verified the accuracy of the complaint nor is this an accusation that the >said incident has occurred. > >Internap will not embark upon any punitive action regarding spam or >security complaints without explicitly and formally contacting you >regarding a clear, verified complaint, or a pattern of abuse. > >Please refer to https://www.internap.com/about/policies.html for >general questions regarding Internap's stance on spam or abuse. Please >direct any questions regarding this specific issue to abuse@internap.com. > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: postmaster@reports.spamcop.net >To: abuse@internap.com >Subject: [SpamCop (https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/) id:131495446]The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 06:48:24 -0500 (EST) > >- SpamCop V1.3.3 - >This message is brief for your comfort. Please follow links for details. > >https://spamcop.net/w3m?i=z131495446z48a8a8db72f3f3b72b0535890a937b20z >Spamvertised website: https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ > > https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ is 66.150.0.104; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 11:58:30 GMT > >Offending message: >Received: (from saturn@localhost) >by puddy.i-outlet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id GAA29822 >for saturn; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:49:50 -0500 (EST) >Received: from mailgate.cesmail.net (mailgate.cesmail.net [204.214.92.120]) >by puddy.i-outlet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id GAA29812 >for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:49:50 -0500 (EST) >Received: (qmail 28839 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 11:49:49 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO alpha.cesmail.net) (192.168.1.155) >by mailgate.cesmail.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 11:49:49 -0000 >Received: (qmail 30439 invoked by uid 1010); 7 Dec 2002 11:49:49 -0000 >Delivered-To: x >Received: (qmail 30434 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 11:49:49 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mailgate.cesmail.net) (192.168.1.101) >by alpha.cesmail.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 11:49:49 -0000 >Received: (qmail 28835 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 11:49:49 -0000 >Received: from puddy.i-outlet.com (216.226.132.2) >by mailgate.cesmail.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 11:49:49 -0000 >Received: by puddy.i-outlet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id GAA29792 >for x; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:49:48 -0500 (EST) >Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) >by puddy.i-outlet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id GAA29787 >for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:49:48 -0500 (EST) >Received: from glaysher >(pcp02847558pcs.rocsth01.mi.comcast.net [68.85.137.193]) by >mtaout07.icomcast.net >(iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) >with SMTP id <0H6Q007E3ZGOYW@mtaout07.icomcast.net> for >x; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 06:48:24 -0500 (EST) >Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 06:48:14 -0500 >From: postmaster@reports.spamcop.net >Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >To: x >Reply-to: Frederick Glaysher >Message-id: <0954______________________5544@rocsth01.mi.comcast.net> >MIME-version: 1.0 >X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 >Content-type: multipart/alternative; >boundary="Boundary_(ID_XTzw7SVrwj0hv1qxuUN+ew)" >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-priority: Normal >X-SpamCop-Checked: 192.168.1.101 216.226.132.2 24.153.64.2 68.85.137.193 >X-UIDL: !,l"!fUK"!['L"!P-^!! >Status: U > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >--Boundary_(ID_XTzw7SVrwj0hv1qxuUN+ew) >Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > >The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > > >Please consider adding my website to your page of links. > >Frederick Glaysher >The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ > > > >--Boundary_(ID_XTzw7SVrwj0hv1qxuUN+ew) >Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > > > > > > > >
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> >--Boundary_(ID_XTzw7SVrwj0hv1qxuUN+ew)-- > > >I wish you luck with your next hosting provider. > >Thank you for contacting our customer service group. Please let us know if there is anything we can do to help you in the future. > >Please do not delete any part of this email and use only plain text format when responding. This will aid us in the tracking and quick resolution of this issue. > >Do you have a comment or suggestion? If so, we would be glad to hear it. Please forward your thoughts and ideas to feedback@hypermart.net. > >David > >This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. The information is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s); any disclosure, copying, distribution, or other use of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message. > >--Original Message-- >From: FG@hotmail.com >Date: 12/09/02 >To: abuse@hypermart.net >Subject: Re: Notice of account removal - www.fglaysher.com[#436997] > >Hypermart.Net > > >I'm quite surprised and even shocked that my website >at www.fglaysher.com which I believe is on server104 >has been removed for "spam." > >I have been a member of hypermart.net since before >it was even owned by the Go2Net Network in 1998. I value >my account and relationship with Hypermart and am very >distressed to find my account deleted. Please note I have >another Hypermart account on https://homes.hypermart.net >I believe I have had a long and happy relationship with >Hypermart that you should be able to easily verify. > >While I emailed out separately from a non-hypermart >email account approximately 400 individual emails, I did >not "spam" anyone, as I understand the term: Mass emailing >with a solicitation for commerce to huge numbers of people >with one click. Each email was sent separately. > >There is a long and complicated history of fundamentalists >of the Baha'i Faith censoring all dissent on and off the >Internet. Professor Juan R. I. Cole of the University of >Michigan's Department of History has written and especially >insightful article that might help you understand what is >really involved: "Fundamentalism in the Contemporary U.S. >Baha'i Community," Religious Studies Review, Vol. 43, no. 3 >(March, 2002):195-217: >https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm > >I'm concerned that in order to suppress the various opinions >represented on my website the fanatical elements among my >fellow Baha'is have essentially SPAMMED Hypermart with >denunciations and accusations in the hope of having me and >other effectively silenced. This is a tactic they have used >on many occasions as witnessed by Professor Cole and others. >I regret to see Hypermart deceived in such a similar way. > >I would be happy to discuss the removal of my account more >with you over the telephone if you'd like at 248-651-3380. > >Please consider restoring my account which I use primarily for >my business of . I shall make note of your >apparent concerns and will be careful not to commit anything you >might consider to be a similar infraction. > >Thank you for your understanding and help. I hope to hear >from you as soon as possible. > >-- >Frederick Glaysher >www.fglaysher.com >FG@hotmail.com >Rochester Hills, Michigan USA >Phone: 248-651-3380 > > > > > >From: abuse@hypermart.net > >To: FG@hotmail.com > >Subject: Notice of account removal > >Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 11:54:06 -0800 > >Received: from mr1.sef.inspinc.ad ([66.150.2.107]) by > >mc7-f13.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Mon, 9 Dec > >2002 11:54:06 -0800 > >Received: (qmail 5185 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 19:54:06 -0000 > >Received: from humvee2.sef.inspinc.ad (HELO humvee2.go2net.com) > >(10.120.76.102) by mr1.sef.inspinc.ad with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 19:54:06 -0000 > >Received: from crack by humvee2.go2net.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 > >(Debian))id 18LTyg-0000Hd-00for ; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 > >11:54:06 -0800 > >Message-Id: > >Sender: > >Return-Path: crack@hypermart.net > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2002 19:54:06.0219 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[BB246DB0:01C29FBC] > > > >Dear Valued HyperMart Member: > > > >We regret to inform you that your account > >fglaysher will be deleted from our servers > >within the next 48 hours because it violates our > >Terms of Service, found at > >https://www.hypermart.net/t/account/policies/tos. > > > >Reason: multiple spam complaints [428110] Subject: The Bahai Faith & > >Religious Freedom of Conscience > > > >It is for the above reason that we have been forced to > >schedule the removal of your account fglaysher > >from our servers. > > > >If you believe the action we have taken is in error, > >please contact us at abuse@hypermart.net with the > >following account information: > > > > > > User Name: fglaysher > > Site URL: fglaysher.com > > > > > >Our goal is to continue to provide our customers with > >the best possible hosting and ecommerce services. By > >enforcing our Terms of Service, we can achieve a > >secure and professional environment in which to > >conduct business online. > > > > > >Thank you, > > > > > >The HyperMart Team > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. >https://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ---------- From: FG[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:35 AM To: abuse@hypermart.net Subject: RE:Re: Notice of account removal - www.fglaysher.com [#436997] Hypermart I sent out individual emails. That's NOT spam. You really don't have the slightest clue about the issues involved with the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais, how they've duped you, and have clearly made no effort whatsoever to find out, for instance by reading Prof. Cole's article before deleting my website. https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm NOTE WELL: The organization the 19 emails you immediately believed before contacting me came from an organization that has often been compared to Scientology by informed people, bahais, ex-bahais, and non-bahais.... That fanatics have learned how to use Spamcop to their advantage demonstrates all the more their deceit and treachery, thoroughly documented by Prof. Cole. Since my website was scheduled for renewal anyway by chance, I'm taking my business elsewhere. As far as I'm concerned, after YEARS of loyalty to Hypermart, you have treated me in a reprehensible manner. -- Frederick Glaysher Rochester Hills, Michigan USA www.fglaysher.com >From: abuse@hypermart.net >To: FG@hotmail.com >Subject: RE:Re: Notice of account removal - www.fglaysher.com [#436997] >Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:22:13 -0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mail1.infospace.com ([206.29.197.87]) by >mc1-f3.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 10 Dec >2002 07:22:15 -0800 >Received: (qmail 8678 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 15:22:15 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO ketel.inspinc.ad) (10.100.11.49) by >jim.inspinc.ad with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 15:22:15 -0000 >Received: (qmail 12984 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 15:22:14 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO EGAINWEB2) ([10.100.29.130]) (envelope-sender >) by ketel.inspinc.ad (qmail-ldap-1.03) with >SMTP for ; 10 Dec 2002 15:22:14 -0000 >Message-ID: >Return-Path: abuse@hypermart.net >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2002 15:22:15.0794 (UTC) >FILETIME=[EBC8D520:01C2A05F] > > >Hello, > >We've received 19 different spam complaints concerning the spam that was >sent out advertising your site. Here is a copy of just one of spam >complaints we've received: > >ABUSE] [SpamCop (https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/) >id:131495446]The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience [infosp] >12/07/02 > Internap has received an abuse complaint related to the possible >distribution of unsolicited e-mail (spam) or a possible security violation >from you or one of your customers. We are forwarding the complaint to you >so that you may take appropriate measures to address the issue. > >The purpose of this message is to inform you of a complaint we have >received as if you had received the complaint directly. We have not >verified the accuracy of the complaint nor is this an accusation that the >said incident has occurred. > >Internap will not embark upon any punitive action regarding spam or >security complaints without explicitly and formally contacting you >regarding a clear, verified complaint, or a pattern of abuse. > >Please refer to https://www.internap.com/about/policies.html for >general questions regarding Internap's stance on spam or abuse. Please >direct any questions regarding this specific issue to abuse@internap.com. > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: postmaster@reports.spamcop.net >To: abuse@internap.com >Subject: [SpamCop (https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/) >id:131495446]The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 06:48:24 -0500 (EST) > >- SpamCop V1.3.3 - >This message is brief for your comfort. Please follow links for details. > >https://spamcop.net/w3m?i=z131495446z48a8a8db72f3f3b72b0535890a937b20z >Spamvertised website: https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ > > https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ is 66.150.0.104; Sat, 07 Dec >2002 11:58:30 GMT > >Offending message: >Received: (from saturn@localhost) >by puddy.i-outlet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id GAA29822 >for saturn; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:49:50 -0500 (EST) >Received: from mailgate.cesmail.net (mailgate.cesmail.net [204.214.92.120]) >by puddy.i-outlet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id GAA29812 >for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:49:50 -0500 (EST) >Received: (qmail 28839 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 11:49:49 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO alpha.cesmail.net) (192.168.1.155) >by mailgate.cesmail.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 11:49:49 -0000 >Received: (qmail 30439 invoked by uid 1010); 7 Dec 2002 11:49:49 -0000 >Delivered-To: x >Received: (qmail 30434 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 11:49:49 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mailgate.cesmail.net) (192.168.1.101) >by alpha.cesmail.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 11:49:49 -0000 >Received: (qmail 28835 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 11:49:49 -0000 >Received: from puddy.i-outlet.com (216.226.132.2) >by mailgate.cesmail.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 11:49:49 -0000 >Received: by puddy.i-outlet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id GAA29792 >for x; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:49:48 -0500 (EST) >Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) >by puddy.i-outlet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id GAA29787 >for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:49:48 -0500 (EST) >Received: from glaysher >(pcp02847558pcs.rocsth01.mi.comcast.net [68.85.137.193]) by >mtaout07.icomcast.net >(iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) >with SMTP id <0H6Q007E3ZGOYW@mtaout07.icomcast.net> for >x; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 06:48:24 -0500 (EST) >Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 06:48:14 -0500 >From: postmaster@reports.spamcop.net >Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >To: x >Reply-to: Frederick Glaysher >Message-id: <0954______________________5544@rocsth01.mi.comcast.net> >MIME-version: 1.0 >X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 >Content-type: multipart/alternative; >boundary="Boundary_(ID_XTzw7SVrwj0hv1qxuUN+ew)" >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-priority: Normal >X-SpamCop-Checked: 192.168.1.101 216.226.132.2 24.153.64.2 68.85.137.193 >X-UIDL: !,l"!fUK"!['L"!P-^!! >Status: U > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >--Boundary_(ID_XTzw7SVrwj0hv1qxuUN+ew) >Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > >The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > > >Please consider adding my website to your page of links. > >Frederick Glaysher >The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ > > > >--Boundary_(ID_XTzw7SVrwj0hv1qxuUN+ew) >Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > > > > > > > >
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> >--Boundary_(ID_XTzw7SVrwj0hv1qxuUN+ew)-- > > >I wish you luck with your next hosting provider. > >Thank you for contacting our customer service group. Please let us know if >there is anything we can do to help you in the future. > >Please do not delete any part of this email and use only plain text format >when responding. This will aid us in the tracking and quick resolution of >this issue. > >Do you have a comment or suggestion? If so, we would be glad to hear it. >Please forward your thoughts and ideas to feedback@hypermart.net. > >David > >This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information that >is legally privileged. The information is solely for the use of the >intended recipient(s); any disclosure, copying, distribution, or other use >of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this >message. > >--Original Message-- >From: FG@hotmail.com >Date: 12/09/02 >To: abuse@hypermart.net >Subject: Re: Notice of account removal - www.fglaysher.com[#436997] > >Hypermart.Net > > >I'm quite surprised and even shocked that my website >at www.fglaysher.com which I believe is on server104 >has been removed for "spam." > >I have been a member of hypermart.net since before >it was even owned by the Go2Net Network in 1998. I value >my account and relationship with Hypermart and am very >distressed to find my account deleted. Please note I have >another Hypermart account on https://homes.hypermart.net >I believe I have had a long and happy relationship with >Hypermart that you should be able to easily verify. > >While I emailed out separately from a non-hypermart >email account approximately 400 individual emails, I did >not "spam" anyone, as I understand the term: Mass emailing >with a solicitation for commerce to huge numbers of people >with one click. Each email was sent separately. > >There is a long and complicated history of fundamentalists >of the Baha'i Faith censoring all dissent on and off the >Internet. Professor Juan R. I. Cole of the University of >Michigan's Department of History has written and especially >insightful article that might help you understand what is >really involved: "Fundamentalism in the Contemporary U.S. >Baha'i Community," Religious Studies Review, Vol. 43, no. 3 >(March, 2002):195-217: >https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm > >I'm concerned that in order to suppress the various opinions >represented on my website the fanatical elements among my >fellow Baha'is have essentially SPAMMED Hypermart with >denunciations and accusations in the hope of having me and >other effectively silenced. This is a tactic they have used >on many occasions as witnessed by Professor Cole and others. >I regret to see Hypermart deceived in such a similar way. > >I would be happy to discuss the removal of my account more >with you over the telephone if you'd like at 248-651-3380. > >Please consider restoring my account which I use primarily for >my business of . I shall make note of your >apparent concerns and will be careful not to commit anything you >might consider to be a similar infraction. > >Thank you for your understanding and help. I hope to hear >from you as soon as possible. > >-- >Frederick Glaysher >www.fglaysher.com >FG@hotmail.com >Rochester Hills, Michigan USA >Phone: 248-651-3380 > > > > > >From: abuse@hypermart.net > >To: FG@hotmail.com > >Subject: Notice of account removal > >Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 11:54:06 -0800 > >Received: from mr1.sef.inspinc.ad ([66.150.2.107]) by > >mc7-f13.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Mon, 9 >Dec > >2002 11:54:06 -0800 > >Received: (qmail 5185 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 19:54:06 -0000 > >Received: from humvee2.sef.inspinc.ad (HELO humvee2.go2net.com) > >(10.120.76.102) by mr1.sef.inspinc.ad with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 19:54:06 >-0000 > >Received: from crack by humvee2.go2net.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 > >(Debian))id 18LTyg-0000Hd-00for ; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 > >11:54:06 -0800 > >Message-Id: > >Sender: > >Return-Path: crack@hypermart.net > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2002 19:54:06.0219 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[BB246DB0:01C29FBC] > > > >Dear Valued HyperMart Member: > > > >We regret to inform you that your account > >fglaysher will be deleted from our servers > >within the next 48 hours because it violates our > >Terms of Service, found at > >https://www.hypermart.net/t/account/policies/tos. > > > >Reason: multiple spam complaints [428110] Subject: The Bahai Faith & > >Religious Freedom of Conscience > > > >It is for the above reason that we have been forced to > >schedule the removal of your account fglaysher > >from our servers. > > > >If you believe the action we have taken is in error, > >please contact us at abuse@hypermart.net with the > >following account information: > > > > > > User Name: fglaysher > > Site URL: fglaysher.com > > > > > >Our goal is to continue to provide our customers with > >the best possible hosting and ecommerce services. By > >enforcing our Terms of Service, we can achieve a > >secure and professional environment in which to > >conduct business online. > > > > > >Thank you, > > > > > >The HyperMart Team > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. >https://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* https://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ---------- From: FG[SMTP:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:48 AM To: 131495446@reports.spamcop.net Subject: [SpamCop id:131495446 (https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/)] Spam Cop, I sent out individual emails. That's NOT spam. You really don't have the slightest clue about the issues involved with the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais, how they've duped you, and have clearly made no effort whatsoever to find out. There is a long and complicated history of fundamentalists among my fellow bahais censoring all dissent on and off the Internet. Professor Juan R. I. Cole of the University of Michigan's Department of History has written an especially insightful article that might help you understand what is really involved: "Fundamentalism in the Contemporary U.S. Baha'i Community," Religious Studies Review, Vol. 43, no. 3 (March, 2002):195-217: https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm NOTE WELL: The organization the 19 complaining emails you immediately believed before slandering me with my ISP came from an organization that has often been compared to Scientology by informed people, bahais, ex-bahais, and non-bahais.... That fanatics have learned how to use Spamcop to their advantage demonstrates all the more their deceit and treachery, thoroughly documented by Prof. Cole. I'm concerned that in order to suppress the various opinions represented on my website the fanatical elements among my fellow Baha'is have essentially SPAMMED my ISP with denunciations and accusations in the hope of having me and others effectively silenced. This is a tactic they have used on many occasions as again witnessed by Professor Cole and others. I would be happy to discuss the issue more with you over the telephone if you'd like at 248-651-3380. You owe me an apology and one with my ISP, which I've decided now, as a result of your libel and slander and their conduct, to leave. -- Frederick Glaysher www.fglaysher.com FG@hotmail.com Rochester Hills, Michigan USA Phone: 248-651-3380 I do NOT give permission for any of this email to appear online for public access. ---------- From: FG[SMTP:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 3:16 PM To: billing@hypermart.net Subject: Re: RE:Re: RE:CANCEL MY ACCOUNT --- DO NOT CHARGE --- Re: Problems with yourbillingfor HyperMart services - www.fglaysher.com [#439941] >this account has already been closed by our Abuse Team. I.e., those in charge of ABUSING Hypermart's customers. They made not the slightest effort to contact me and investigate what had really taken place. Frederick Glaysher P. O. Box 81842 Rochester, MI 48308-1842 Voice: 248-651-3380 FAX: 248-608-6424 EarthrisePress@Comcast.Net www.fglaysher.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 3:09 PM Subject: RE:Re: RE:CANCEL MY ACCOUNT --- DO NOT CHARGE --- Re: Problems with yourbillingfor HyperMart services - www.fglaysher.com [#439941] > > Greetings, > > this account has already been closed by our Abuse Team. > > > Thank you for contacting our customer service group. Please let us know if there is anything we can do to help you in the future. > > Please do not delete any part of this email and use only plain text format when responding. This will aid us in the tracking and quick resolution of this issue. > > Do you have a comment or suggestion? If so, we would be glad to hear it. Please forward your thoughts and ideas to feedback@hypermart.net. > > Eric > HyperMart Billing > > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. The information is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s); any disclosure, copying, distribution, or other use of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message. > > --Original Message-- > From: FG@comcast.net > Date: 12/10/02 > To: billing@hypermart.net > Subject: Re: RE:CANCEL MY ACCOUNT --- DO NOT CHARGE --- Re: Problems with yourbillingfor HyperMart services - www.fglaysher.com [#439941] > > Please delete/cancel my account: > > user ID: fglaysher on server104.hypermart.net > password: p5760n > > Frederick Glaysher > > > P. O. Box 81842 > Rochester, MI 48308-1842 > Voice: 248-651-3380 > FAX: 248-608-6424 > EarthrisePress@Comcast.Net > www.fglaysher.com > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 12:01 PM > Subject: RE:CANCEL MY ACCOUNT --- DO NOT CHARGE --- Re: Problems with your > billingfor HyperMart services - www.fglaysher.com [#439941] > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Please reply with your password for verification and I will be happy to > assist you. Have a great day! > > > > Thank you for contacting our customer service group. Please let us know if > there is anything we can do to help you in the future. > > > > Please do not delete any part of this email and use only plain text format > when responding. This will aid us in the tracking and quick resolution of > this issue. > > > > Do you have a comment or suggestion? If so, we would be glad to hear it. > Please forward your thoughts and ideas to feedback@hypermart.net. > > > > Eric > > HyperMart Billing > > > > > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information that > is legally privileged. The information is solely for the use of the > intended recipient(s); any disclosure, copying, distribution, or other use > of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this > message. > > > > --Original Message-- > > From: FG@comcast.net > > Date: 12/10/02 > > To: billing@hypermart.net > > Subject: CANCEL MY ACCOUNT --- DO NOT CHARGE --- Re: Problems with your > billingfor HyperMart services - www.fglaysher.com[#439941] > > > > EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY FOR > > www.fglaysher.com > > > > Frederick Glaysher > > > > > > P. O. Box 81842 > > Rochester, MI 48308-1842 > > Voice: 248-651-3380 > > FAX: 248-608-6424 > > EarthrisePress@Comcast.Net > > www.fglaysher.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Frederick Glaysher" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:49 PM > > Subject: Re: Problems with your billing for HyperMart services - > > www.fglaysher.com > > > > > > > I assume my credit card number has changed since last year. > > > > > > For some reason the abuse department at hypermart has removed my > account, > > > only temporarily, I hope. > > > > > > Below is my message to them. > > > > > > Once they straighten out the problem, I'd be more than happy to arrange > to > > > pay this year's fee as I always have in the past. > > > > > > Please note my https://homes.hypermart.net account should not be due > until > > > the spring. > > > > > > Thank you for your help. > > > > > > Frederick Glaysher > > > www.fglaysher.com > > > FG@hotmail.com > > > Rochester Hills, Michigan USA > > > Phone: 248-651-3380 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: HyperMart Billing Dept > > > >To: FG@hotmail.com > > > >Subject: Problems with your billing for HyperMart services > > > >Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:34:30 -0800 (PST) > > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > >Received: from mail1.infospace.com ([206.29.197.87]) by > > > >mc3-f22.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Mon, 9 > > Dec > > > >2002 07:34:31 -0800 > > > >Received: (qmail 12117 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 15:34:31 -0000 > > > >Received: from unknown (HELO ketel.inspinc.ad) (10.100.11.49) by > > > >jim.inspinc.ad with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 15:34:31 -0000 > > > >Received: (qmail 19894 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 15:34:30 -0000 > > > >Received: from unknown (HELO hypermart.net) ([10.100.29.130]) > > > >(envelope-sender ) by ketel.inspinc.ad > > > >(qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 9 Dec > > > >2002 15:34:30 -0000 > > > >Received: (qmail 22894 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 15:34:30 -0000 > > > >Received: from unknown (HELO hmv-drone1.go2net.com) (10.120.76.111) by > > > >hmv-drone1.sef.inspinc.ad with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 15:34:30 -0000 > > > >Message-ID: <6671792.1039448070594.JavaMail.root@hmv-drone1.go2net.com> > > > >Return-Path: billing@hypermart.net > > > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2002 15:34:31.0477 (UTC) > > > >FILETIME=[77DF6650:01C29F98] > > > > > > > >Dear HyperMart Customer, > > > > > > > >Thank you for choosing HyperMart. > > > >Unfortunately, we have been unable to bill your credit card for the > > > >following services: > > > > > > > >Account: fglaysher > > > >Invoice Id: 754075 > > > >Invoice date: 12/9/02 > > > > > > > >Service Qty Term Price Interval > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- > > > >Basic 1 Yearly $99.00 12/9/02 - > > 12/8/03 > > > > > > > >Total Invoice Amount: $99.00 > > > > > > > > > > > >We were unable to completely process your payment for this invoice. > > > > > > > >Unpaid Amount: $99.00 Last attempt date: 12/9/02 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your business is important to us! Please login to your account to > update > > > >your credit card information or contact us at billing@hypermart.net > > > >to clear up any questions you might have. > > > > > > > >Thanks for your assistance, > > > > > > > >HyperMart Team > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Frederick Glaysher" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: Notice of account removal - www.fglaysher.com > > > > > > > > > >Hypermart.Net > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm quite surprised and even shocked that my website > > > >at www.fglaysher.com which I believe is on server104 > > > >has been removed for "spam." > > > > > > > >I have been a member of hypermart.net since before > > > >it was even owned by the Go2Net Network in 1998. I value > > > >my account and relationship with Hypermart and am very > > > >distressed to find my account deleted. Please note I have > > > >another Hypermart account on https://homes.hypermart.net > > > >I believe I have had a long and happy relationship with > > > >Hypermart that you should be able to easily verify. > > > > > > > >While I emailed out separately from a non-hypermart > > > >email account approximately 400 individual emails, I did > > > >not "spam" anyone, as I understand the term: Mass emailing > > > >with a solicitation for commerce to huge numbers of people > > > >with one click. Each email was sent separately. > > > > > > > >There is a long and complicated history of fundamentalists > > > >of the Baha'i Faith censoring all dissent on and off the > > > >Internet. Professor Juan R. I. Cole of the University of > > > >Michigan's Department of History has written and especially > > > >insightful article that might help you understand what is > > > >really involved: "Fundamentalism in the Contemporary U.S. > > > >Baha'i Community," Religious Studies Review, Vol. 43, no. 3 > > > >(March, 2002):195-217: > > > >https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm > > > > > > > >I'm concerned that in order to suppress the various opinions > > > >represented on my website the fanatical elements among my > > > >fellow Baha'is have essentially SPAMMED Hypermart with > > > >denunciations and accusations in the hope of having me and > > > >other effectively silenced. This is a tactic they have used > > > >on many occasions as witnessed by Professor Cole and others. > > > >I regret to see Hypermart deceived in such a similar way. > > > > > > > >I would be happy to discuss the removal of my account more > > > >with you over the telephone if you'd like at 248-651-3380. > > > > > > > >Please consider restoring my account which I use primarily for > > > >my business of . I shall make note of your > > > >apparent concerns and will be careful not to commit anything you > > > >might consider to be a similar infraction. > > > > > > > >Thank you for your understanding and help. I hope to hear > > > >from you as soon as possible. > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Frederick Glaysher > > > >www.fglaysher.com > > > >FG@hotmail.com > > > >Rochester Hills, Michigan USA > > > >Phone: 248-651-3380 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: abuse@hypermart.net > > > > >To: FG@hotmail.com > > > > >Subject: Notice of account removal > > > > >Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 11:54:06 -0800 > > > > >Received: from mr1.sef.inspinc.ad ([66.150.2.107]) by > > > > >mc7-f13.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Mon, > 9 > > > >Dec >2002 11:54:06 -0800 > > > > >Received: (qmail 5185 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 > 19:54:06 -0000 > > > > >Received: from humvee2.sef.inspinc.ad (HELO humvee2.go2net.com) > > > > >(10.120.76.102) by mr1.sef.inspinc.ad with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 19:54:06 > > > >-0000 > > > > >Received: from crack by humvee2.go2net.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 > > > > >(Debian))id 18LTyg-0000Hd-00for ; Mon, 09 Dec > > 2002 > > > > >11:54:06 -0800 > > > > >Message-Id: > > > > >Sender: > > > > >Return-Path: crack@hypermart.net > > > > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2002 19:54:06.0219 (UTC) > > > > >FILETIME=[BB246DB0:01C29FBC] > > > > > > > > > >Dear Valued HyperMart Member: > > > > > > > > > >We regret to inform you that your account > > > > >fglaysher will be deleted from our servers > > > > >within the next 48 hours because it violates our > > > > >Terms of Service, found at > > > > >https://www.hypermart.net/t/account/policies/tos. > > > > > > > > > >Reason: multiple spam complaints [428110] Subject: The Bahai Faith & > > > > >Religious Freedom of Conscience > > > > > > > > > >It is for the above reason that we have been forced to > > > > >schedule the removal of your account fglaysher > > > > >from our servers. > > > > > > > > > >If you believe the action we have taken is in error, > > > > >please contact us at abuse@hypermart.net with the > > > > >following account information: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > User Name: fglaysher > > > > > Site URL: fglaysher.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Our goal is to continue to provide our customers with > > > > >the best possible hosting and ecommerce services. By > > > > >enforcing our Terms of Service, we can achieve a > > > > >secure and professional environment in which to > > > > >conduct business online. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The HyperMart Team > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > > > >https://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > > > https://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- From: Donato Chirico[SMTP:donchir@interfree.it] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:05 AM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience ----- Original Message ----- From: FG To: piacenza@bahai.it Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:46 PM Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ please remove "nome della vostra cittą@bahai.it" from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded. ---------- From: Domenico Cristallo[SMTP:cristallo@tlcconsulting.it] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:41 AM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Importance: High please remove "nome della vostra cittą@bahai.it" from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded. ----- Original Message ----- From: FG To: altamura@bahai.it Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:36 PM Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: FG@hotmail.com[SMTP:FG@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:36 AM To: abuse@hypermart.net Cc: billing@hypermart.net Subject: RE:Re: Notice of account removal - www.fglaysher.com [#436997] David at Hypermart wrote: >Thanks for writing back and I wish you luck with your next hosting >provider. Have a nice day. That's a disingenuous statement. You're obviously setting yourself up as judge and jury of matters you don't even have the slightest clue about. The fundamentalists among my fellow bahais who have duped you and Spam Cop are often compared to the worst elements among the Scientologists. I've been a member of Hypermart since 1998. That I sent roughly 400 SEPARATE emails from a non-Hypermart account is none of your affair. As far as I'm concerned, without the slightest consultation or investigation with me, you chose to deprive me of my property rights based solely on the libel and slander of a concerted SPAM attack by fanatics. If you're actually interested in understanding what's taken place, read Prof. Juan Cole's article, though I doubt you'll bother or have the conscience to do it: https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm I've chosen to move my account elsewhere out of disgust with Hypermart and will probably be moving my other account at homes.hypermart.net in the spring. I've concluded quite rightly that Hypermart doesn't merit my $200 a year and have been pleasantly surprised to discover I can defintely received better service for less money elsewhere. Good luck with your contemptible little tyranny. Frederick Glaysher FG@hotmail.com >From: abuse@hypermart.net >To: FG@hotmail.com >Subject: RE:Re: Notice of account removal - www.fglaysher.com [#436997] >Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:24:42 -0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mail1.infospace.com ([206.29.197.87]) by mc1-f30.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:24:45 -0800 >Received: (qmail 22985 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 23:24:44 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO absolut.inspinc.ad) (10.100.11.48) by jim.inspinc.ad with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 23:24:44 -0000 >Received: (qmail 31737 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 23:24:43 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO EGAINWEB2) ([10.100.29.130]) (envelope-sender ) by absolut.inspinc.ad (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Dec 2002 23:24:43 -0000 >Message-ID: >Return-Path: abuse@hypermart.net >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2002 23:24:45.0372 (UTC) FILETIME=[5313DFC0:01C2A0A3] > > >Hello, > >Thanks for writing back and I wish you luck with your next hosting provider. Have a nice day. > >Thank you for contacting our customer service group. Please let us know if there is anything we can do to help you in the future. > >Please do not delete any part of this email and use only plain text format when responding. This will aid us in the tracking and quick resolution of this issue. > >Do you have a comment or suggestion? If so, we would be glad to hear it. Please forward your thoughts and ideas to feedback@hypermart.net. > >David > >This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. The information is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s); any disclosure, copying, distribution, or other use of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message. > >--Original Message-- >From: FG@hotmail.com >Date: 12/10/02 >To: abuse@hypermart.net >Subject: RE:Re: Notice of account removal - www.fglaysher.com [#436997] > >Hypermart > >I sent out individual emails. That's NOT spam. You really don't have the >slightest clue about the issues involved with the fundamentalists among my >fellow bahais, how they've duped you, and have clearly made no effort >whatsoever to find out, for instance by reading Prof. Cole's article before >deleting my website. >https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm > >NOTE WELL: The organization the 19 emails you immediately believed before >contacting me came from an organization that has often been compared to >Scientology by informed people, bahais, ex-bahais, and non-bahais.... That >fanatics have learned how to use Spamcop to their advantage demonstrates all >the more their deceit and treachery, thoroughly documented by Prof. Cole. > >Since my website was scheduled for renewal anyway by chance, I'm taking my >business elsewhere. > >As far as I'm concerned, after YEARS of loyalty to Hypermart, you have >treated me in a reprehensible manner. > >-- >Frederick Glaysher >Rochester Hills, Michigan USA >www.fglaysher.com > > > > > >From: abuse@hypermart.net > >To: FG@hotmail.com > >Subject: RE:Re: Notice of account removal - www.fglaysher.com [#436997] > >Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:22:13 -0800 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from mail1.infospace.com ([206.29.197.87]) by > >mc1-f3.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 10 Dec > >2002 07:22:15 -0800 > >Received: (qmail 8678 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 15:22:15 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (HELO ketel.inspinc.ad) (10.100.11.49) by > >jim.inspinc.ad with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 15:22:15 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 12984 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 15:22:14 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (HELO EGAINWEB2) ([10.100.29.130]) (envelope-sender > >) by ketel.inspinc.ad (qmail-ldap-1.03) with > >SMTP for ; 10 Dec 2002 15:22:14 -0000 > >Message-ID: > >Return-Path: abuse@hypermart.net > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2002 15:22:15.0794 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[EBC8D520:01C2A05F] > > > > > >Hello, > > > >We've received 19 different spam complaints concerning the spam that was > >sent out advertising your site. Here is a copy of just one of spam > >complaints we've received: > > > >ABUSE] [SpamCop (https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/) > >id:131495446]The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience [infosp] > >12/07/02 > > Internap has received an abuse complaint related to the possible > >distribution of unsolicited e-mail (spam) or a possible security violation > >from you or one of your customers. We are forwarding the complaint to you > >so that you may take appropriate measures to address the issue. > > > >The purpose of this message is to inform you of a complaint we have > >received as if you had received the complaint directly. We have not > >verified the accuracy of the complaint nor is this an accusation that the > >said incident has occurred. > > > >Internap will not embark upon any punitive action regarding spam or > >security complaints without explicitly and formally contacting you > >regarding a clear, verified complaint, or a pattern of abuse. > > > >Please refer to https://www.internap.com/about/policies.html for > >general questions regarding Internap's stance on spam or abuse. Please > >direct any questions regarding this specific issue to abuse@internap.com. > > > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >From: postmaster@reports.spamcop.net > >To: abuse@internap.com > >Subject: [SpamCop (https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/) > >id:131495446]The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > >Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 06:48:24 -0500 (EST) > > > >- SpamCop V1.3.3 - > >This message is brief for your comfort. Please follow links for details. > > > >https://spamcop.net/w3m?i=z131495446z48a8a8db72f3f3b72b0535890a937b20z > >Spamvertised website: https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ > > > https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ is 66.150.0.104; Sat, 07 Dec > >2002 11:58:30 GMT > > > >Offending message: > >Received: (from saturn@localhost) > >by puddy.i-outlet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id GAA29822 > >for saturn; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:49:50 -0500 (EST) > >Received: from mailgate.cesmail.net (mailgate.cesmail.net [204.214.92.120]) > >by puddy.i-outlet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id GAA29812 > >for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:49:50 -0500 (EST) > >Received: (qmail 28839 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 11:49:49 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (HELO alpha.cesmail.net) (192.168.1.155) > >by mailgate.cesmail.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 11:49:49 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 30439 invoked by uid 1010); 7 Dec 2002 11:49:49 -0000 > >Delivered-To: x > >Received: (qmail 30434 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 11:49:49 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (HELO mailgate.cesmail.net) (192.168.1.101) > >by alpha.cesmail.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 11:49:49 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 28835 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 11:49:49 -0000 > >Received: from puddy.i-outlet.com (216.226.132.2) > >by mailgate.cesmail.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 11:49:49 -0000 > >Received: by puddy.i-outlet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id GAA29792 > >for x; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:49:48 -0500 (EST) > >Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) > >by puddy.i-outlet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id GAA29787 > >for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:49:48 -0500 (EST) > >Received: from glaysher > >(pcp02847558pcs.rocsth01.mi.comcast.net [68.85.137.193]) by > >mtaout07.icomcast.net > >(iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) > >with SMTP id <0H6Q007E3ZGOYW@mtaout07.icomcast.net> for > >x; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 06:48:24 -0500 (EST) > >Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 06:48:14 -0500 > >From: postmaster@reports.spamcop.net > >Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > >To: x > >Reply-to: Frederick Glaysher > >Message-id: <0954______________________5544@rocsth01.mi.comcast.net> > >MIME-version: 1.0 > >X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 > >Content-type: multipart/alternative; > >boundary="Boundary_(ID_XTzw7SVrwj0hv1qxuUN+ew)" > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-MSMail-priority: Normal > >X-SpamCop-Checked: 192.168.1.101 216.226.132.2 24.153.64.2 68.85.137.193 > >X-UIDL: !,l"!fUK"!['L"!P-^!! > >Status: U > > > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > >--Boundary_(ID_XTzw7SVrwj0hv1qxuUN+ew) > >Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > > > > >The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > > > > > >Please consider adding my website to your page of links. > > > >Frederick Glaysher > >The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > >https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ > > > > > > > >--Boundary_(ID_XTzw7SVrwj0hv1qxuUN+ew) > >Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > >--Boundary_(ID_XTzw7SVrwj0hv1qxuUN+ew)-- > > > > > >I wish you luck with your next hosting provider. > > > >Thank you for contacting our customer service group. Please let us know if > >there is anything we can do to help you in the future. > > > >Please do not delete any part of this email and use only plain text format > >when responding. This will aid us in the tracking and quick resolution of > >this issue. > > > >Do you have a comment or suggestion? If so, we would be glad to hear it. > >Please forward your thoughts and ideas to feedback@hypermart.net. > > > >David > > > >This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information that > >is legally privileged. The information is solely for the use of the > >intended recipient(s); any disclosure, copying, distribution, or other use > >of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > >e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this > >message. > > > >--Original Message-- > >From: FG@hotmail.com > >Date: 12/09/02 > >To: abuse@hypermart.net > >Subject: Re: Notice of account removal - www.fglaysher.com[#436997] > > > >Hypermart.Net > > > > > >I'm quite surprised and even shocked that my website > >at www.fglaysher.com which I believe is on server104 > >has been removed for "spam." > > > >I have been a member of hypermart.net since before > >it was even owned by the Go2Net Network in 1998. I value > >my account and relationship with Hypermart and am very > >distressed to find my account deleted. Please note I have > >another Hypermart account on https://homes.hypermart.net > >I believe I have had a long and happy relationship with > >Hypermart that you should be able to easily verify. > > > >While I emailed out separately from a non-hypermart > >email account approximately 400 individual emails, I did > >not "spam" anyone, as I understand the term: Mass emailing > >with a solicitation for commerce to huge numbers of people > >with one click. Each email was sent separately. > > > >There is a long and complicated history of fundamentalists > >of the Baha'i Faith censoring all dissent on and off the > >Internet. Professor Juan R. I. Cole of the University of > >Michigan's Department of History has written and especially > >insightful article that might help you understand what is > >really involved: "Fundamentalism in the Contemporary U.S. > >Baha'i Community," Religious Studies Review, Vol. 43, no. 3 > >(March, 2002):195-217: > >https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm > > > >I'm concerned that in order to suppress the various opinions > >represented on my website the fanatical elements among my > >fellow Baha'is have essentially SPAMMED Hypermart with > >denunciations and accusations in the hope of having me and > >other effectively silenced. This is a tactic they have used > >on many occasions as witnessed by Professor Cole and others. > >I regret to see Hypermart deceived in such a similar way. > > > >I would be happy to discuss the removal of my account more > >with you over the telephone if you'd like at 248-651-3380. > > > >Please consider restoring my account which I use primarily for > >my business of . I shall make note of your > >apparent concerns and will be careful not to commit anything you > >might consider to be a similar infraction. > > > >Thank you for your understanding and help. I hope to hear > >from you as soon as possible. > > > >-- > >Frederick Glaysher > >www.fglaysher.com > >FG@hotmail.com > >Rochester Hills, Michigan USA > >Phone: 248-651-3380 > > > > > > > > > > >From: abuse@hypermart.net > > >To: FG@hotmail.com > > >Subject: Notice of account removal > > >Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 11:54:06 -0800 > > >Received: from mr1.sef.inspinc.ad ([66.150.2.107]) by > > >mc7-f13.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Mon, 9 > >Dec > > >2002 11:54:06 -0800 > > >Received: (qmail 5185 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 19:54:06 -0000 > > >Received: from humvee2.sef.inspinc.ad (HELO humvee2.go2net.com) > > >(10.120.76.102) by mr1.sef.inspinc.ad with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 19:54:06 > >-0000 > > >Received: from crack by humvee2.go2net.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 > > >(Debian))id 18LTyg-0000Hd-00for ; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 > > >11:54:06 -0800 > > >Message-Id: > > >Sender: > > >Return-Path: crack@hypermart.net > > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2002 19:54:06.0219 (UTC) > > >FILETIME=[BB246DB0:01C29FBC] > > > > > >Dear Valued HyperMart Member: > > > > > >We regret to inform you that your account > > >fglaysher will be deleted from our servers > > >within the next 48 hours because it violates our > > >Terms of Service, found at > > >https://www.hypermart.net/t/account/policies/tos. > > > > > >Reason: multiple spam complaints [428110] Subject: The Bahai Faith & > > >Religious Freedom of Conscience > > > > > >It is for the above reason that we have been forced to > > >schedule the removal of your account fglaysher > > >from our servers. > > > > > >If you believe the action we have taken is in error, > > >please contact us at abuse@hypermart.net with the > > >following account information: > > > > > > > > > User Name: fglaysher > > > Site URL: fglaysher.com > > > > > > > > >Our goal is to continue to provide our customers with > > >the best possible hosting and ecommerce services. By > > >enforcing our Terms of Service, we can achieve a > > >secure and professional environment in which to > > >conduct business online. > > > > > > > > >Thank you, > > > > > > > > >The HyperMart Team > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > >https://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > >_________________________________________________________________ >Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >https://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ---------- From: Vanna Muzzolon[SMTP:vannam@libero.it] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:53 AM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please remove "nome della vostra cittą @ bahai.it" from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded. verona@bahai.it ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Glaysher" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:48 PM Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > > > Please consider adding my website to your page of links. > > Frederick Glaysher > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ > > > ---------- From: Bahai Lipari[SMTP:bahai.lipari@tiscali.it] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:27 AM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience please remove lipari@bahai.it from your mailing list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Glaysher" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:38 PM Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > > > Please consider adding my website to your page of links. > > Frederick Glaysher > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ Il servizio Postemail sottopone tutti i documenti a una scansione automatica antivirus con i programmi TREND MICRO. ---------- From: Comunitą Bahą'ģ di Pino Torinese[SMTP:pinotorinese@bahai.it] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:41 AM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience please remove "pinotorinese@bahai.it" from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded. ----- Original Message ----- From: FG To: pinotorinese@bahai.it Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:44 PM Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: g.cardini@inwind.it[SMTP:g.cardini@inwind.it] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:17 PM To: fglaysher Subject: Re:The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > Please, remove Firenze@bahai.it from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded. The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > > > Please consider adding my website to your page of links. > > Frederick Glaysher > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ > > > ---------- From: Comunitą Bahai di Messina[SMTP:messina@bahai.it] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:21 AM To: FG@comcast.net Subject: unsubscribe your list Dear Mr. Frederick Glaysher please remove "messina@bahai.it" from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded. regards Comunitą Bahą'ģ di Messina messina@bahai.it ---------- From: Samin Sanai[SMTP:saminsanai@virgilio.it] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 2:51 PM To: 'Frederick Glaysher' Subject: R: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience please remove lucca@bahai.it from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded. ---------- From: Pasquale Segreto[SMTP:pasegret@inwind.it] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 4:44 PM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: R: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience please remove "ancona@bahai.it" from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded. -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Frederick Glaysher [mailto:FG@comcast.net] Inviato: sabato 7 dicembre 2002 13.36 A: ancona@bahai.it Oggetto: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: pino.casa@virgilio.it[SMTP:pino.casa@virgilio.it] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 4:49 PM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: RE: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience please remove "tremestierietneo@bahai.it" from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded. >-- Messaggio originale -- >Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 07:45:42 -0500 >From: FG >Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >To: tremestierietneo@bahai.it >Reply-to: Frederick Glaysher > > >The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > > >Please consider adding my website to your page of links. > >Frederick Glaysher >The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ > > ---------- From: FG[SMTP:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:01 PM To: pino.casa@virgilio.it Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Pino, I'd be happy to remove tremestierietneo@bahai.it Shall I replace it with pino.casa@virgilio.it ? Incidentally, for insight into how the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais operates in the United States, I highly recommend the following articles: Professor Juan R. I. Cole, University of Michigan, "Fundamentalism in the Contemporary U.S. Baha'i Community," Religious Studies Review, Vol. 43, no. 3 (March, 2002):195-217: https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm -------------------------------------------------------- Karen Bacquet, "Enemies Within: Conflict and Control in the Baha'i Community." Published in American Family Foundation's Cultic Studies Journal, Volume 18, pp.109-140: https://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/enemies.html Best wishes, Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Frederick Glaysher" Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 4:49 PM Subject: RE: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience please remove "tremestierietneo@bahai.it" from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded. >-- Messaggio originale -- >Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 07:45:42 -0500 >From: FG >Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >To: tremestierietneo@bahai.it >Reply-to: Frederick Glaysher > > >The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience > > >Please consider adding my website to your page of links. > >Frederick Glaysher >The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience >https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ > > ---------- From: giorgio figone[SMTP:gifigon@tin.it] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:06 AM To: Frederick Glaysher Cc: Assemblea Spirituale Nazionale dei Baha'i d'Italia Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience please remove "nome della vostra cittą@bahai.it" from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded ----- Original Message ----- From: FG To: aosta@bahai.it Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:36 PM Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: Carla Pedretti[SMTP:cgmontagner@libero.it] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:32 AM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please, remove laveno@bahai.it from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded ----- Original Message ----- From: FG To: laveno@bahai.it Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 2:38 PM Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: Marco Bresci[SMTP:marbresci@tin.it] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 6:22 AM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: R: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience please remove " pistoia@bahai.it" from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded. ----- Original Message ----- From: FG To: pistoia@bahai.it Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:44 PM Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: FG[SMTP:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 6:42 AM To: Marco Bresci Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience I'd be happy to remove pistoia@bahai.it Would you like me to replace it with marbresci@tin.it ? Incidentally, for insight into how the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais operate in the United States, I highly recommend the following articles: Professor Juan R. I. Cole, University of Michigan, "Fundamentalism in the Contemporary U.S. Baha'i Community," Religious Studies Review, Vol. 43, no. 3 (March, 2002):195-217: https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm -------------------------------------------------------- Karen Bacquet, "Enemies Within: Conflict and Control in the Baha'i Community." Published in American Family Foundation's Cultic Studies Journal, Volume 18, pp.109-140: https://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/enemies.html Best wishes, Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Marco Bresci To: Frederick Glaysher Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 6:22 AM Subject: R: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience please remove " pistoia@bahai.it" from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded. ----- Original Message ----- From: FG To: pistoia@bahai.it Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:44 PM Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: FG[SMTP:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 6:44 AM To: Carla Pedretti Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience I'd be happy to remove laveno@bahai.it Would you like me to replace it with cgmontagner@libero.it? Incidentally, for insight into how the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais operate in the United States, I highly recommend the following articles: Professor Juan R. I. Cole, University of Michigan, "Fundamentalism in the Contemporary U.S. Baha'i Community," Religious Studies Review, Vol. 43, no. 3 (March, 2002):195-217: https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm -------------------------------------------------------- Karen Bacquet, "Enemies Within: Conflict and Control in the Baha'i Community." Published in American Family Foundation's Cultic Studies Journal, Volume 18, pp.109-140: https://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/enemies.html Best wishes, Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Carla Pedretti To: Frederick Glaysher Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:32 AM Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please, remove laveno@bahai.it from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded ----- Original Message ----- From: FG To: laveno@bahai.it Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 2:38 PM Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: FG[SMTP:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 6:46 AM To: giorgio figone Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience I'd be happy to remove aosta@bahai.it Would you like me to replace it with gifigon@tin.it ? Incidentally, for insight into how the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais operate in the United States, I highly recommend the following articles: Professor Juan R. I. Cole, University of Michigan, "Fundamentalism in the Contemporary U.S. Baha'i Community," Religious Studies Review, Vol. 43, no. 3 (March, 2002):195-217: https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm -------------------------------------------------------- Karen Bacquet, "Enemies Within: Conflict and Control in the Baha'i Community." Published in American Family Foundation's Cultic Studies Journal, Volume 18, pp.109-140: https://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/enemies.html Best wishes, Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ----- Original Message ----- From: giorgio figone To: Frederick Glaysher Cc: Assemblea Spirituale Nazionale dei Baha'i d'Italia Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:06 AM Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience please remove "nome della vostra cittą@bahai.it" from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded ----- Original Message ----- From: FG To: aosta@bahai.it Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:36 PM Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: Filippo Castello[SMTP:etnafra@iol.it] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 7:53 AM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please remove sangregoriocatania@bahai.it from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded ----- Original Message ----- From: FG To: sangregoriocatania@bahai.it Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: FG[SMTP:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:17 AM To: Filippo Castello Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience I'd be happy to remove sangregoriocatania@bahai.it though I don't have a "list." Would you like me to replace it with etnafra@iol.it? Incidentally, for insight into how the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais operate in the United States, I highly recommend the following articles: Professor Juan R. I. Cole, University of Michigan, "Fundamentalism in the Contemporary U.S. Baha'i Community," Religious Studies Review, Vol. 43, no. 3 (March, 2002):195-217: https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm -------------------------------------------------------- Karen Bacquet, "Enemies Within: Conflict and Control in the Baha'i Community." Published in American Family Foundation's Cultic Studies Journal, Volume 18, pp.109-140: https://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/enemies.html talk.religion.bahai on the Web: Free reading and posting, including the largest Usenet archive: https://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=talk.religion.bahai (Add it to your Favorites!) Best wishes, Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Filippo Castello To: Frederick Glaysher Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 7:53 AM Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please remove sangregoriocatania@bahai.it from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded ----- Original Message ----- From: FG To: sangregoriocatania@bahai.it Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: Shokou[SMTP:shoku@tin.it] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:16 PM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience please remove lentatesulseveso@bahai.it from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded. ----- Original Message ----- From: FG To: lentatesulseveso@bahai.it Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:38 PM Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: FG[SMTP:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:49 PM To: Shokou Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience I'd be happy to remove lentatesulseveso@bahai.it if I had a "list." Would you like me to replace it with shoku@tin.i? Incidentally, for insight into how the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais operate in the United States, I highly recommend the following articles: Professor Juan R. I. Cole, University of Michigan, "Fundamentalism in the Contemporary U.S. Baha'i Community," Religious Studies Review, Vol. 43, no. 3 (March, 2002):195-217: https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Shokou To: Frederick Glaysher Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:16 PM Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience please remove lentatesulseveso@bahai.it from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded. ----- Original Message ----- From: FG To: lentatesulseveso@bahai.it Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:38 PM Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: Bruno Mariano[SMTP:brunomarianoit@libero.it] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 8:42 AM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience please remove "nome della vostra cittą@bahai.it" from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded. Bruno Mariano ----- Original Message ----- From: FG To: surbo@bahai.it Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: Filippo Castello[SMTP:etnafra@iol.it] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 2:52 PM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience No, thanks Please remove etnafra@iol.it from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded. ----- Original Message ----- From: FG To: Filippo Castello Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:17 PM Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience I'd be happy to remove sangregoriocatania@bahai.it though I don't have a "list." Would you like me to replace it with etnafra@iol.it? Incidentally, for insight into how the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais operate in the United States, I highly recommend the following articles: Professor Juan R. I. Cole, University of Michigan, "Fundamentalism in the Contemporary U.S. Baha'i Community," Religious Studies Review, Vol. 43, no. 3 (March, 2002):195-217: https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm -------------------------------------------------------- Karen Bacquet, "Enemies Within: Conflict and Control in the Baha'i Community." Published in American Family Foundation's Cultic Studies Journal, Volume 18, pp.109-140: https://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/enemies.html talk.religion.bahai on the Web: Free reading and posting, including the largest Usenet archive: https://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=talk.religion.bahai (Add it to your Favorites!) Best wishes, Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Filippo Castello To: Frederick Glaysher Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 7:53 AM Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please remove sangregoriocatania@bahai.it from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded ----- Original Message ----- From: FG To: sangregoriocatania@bahai.it Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: Carla Pedretti[SMTP:cgmontagner@libero.it] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:59 AM To: Frederick Glaysher Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience NO ----- Original Message ----- From: FG To: Carla Pedretti Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:44 PM Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience I'd be happy to remove laveno@bahai.it Would you like me to replace it with cgmontagner@libero.it? Incidentally, for insight into how the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais operate in the United States, I highly recommend the following articles: Professor Juan R. I. Cole, University of Michigan, "Fundamentalism in the Contemporary U.S. Baha'i Community," Religious Studies Review, Vol. 43, no. 3 (March, 2002):195-217: https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm -------------------------------------------------------- Karen Bacquet, "Enemies Within: Conflict and Control in the Baha'i Community." Published in American Family Foundation's Cultic Studies Journal, Volume 18, pp.109-140: https://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/enemies.html Best wishes, Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Carla Pedretti To: Frederick Glaysher Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:32 AM Subject: Re: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please, remove laveno@bahai.it from your mailing list. Messages received from you will not be unloaded ----- Original Message ----- From: FG To: laveno@bahai.it Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 2:38 PM Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: *** Bahai Faith ***[SMTP:BI*P*GS@LIBERTY.COM] Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: Re: Proof baha'i is a Cult Please provide the date and other details regarding this communique, including its "header," etc. -- Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ UHJ communique to baha'i administration worldwide. This cult is Stalinism with a vengeance. -- Although deepening the friends' understanding of the Covenant and increasing their love and loyalty to it are of paramount importance, the duties of the Auxiliary Board members for Protection do not end here. The Board members must remain ever vigilant, monitoring the actions of those who, driven by the promptings of ego, seek to sow the seeds of doubt in the minds of the friends and undermine the Faith. In general, whenever believers become aware of such problems, they should immediately contact whatever institution they feel moved to turn to, whether it be a Counsellor, an Auxiliary Board member, the National Spiritual Assembly or their own Local Assembly. It then becomes the duty of that institution to ensure that the report is fed into the correct channels and that all the other institutions affected are promptly informed. Not infrequently, the responsibility will fall on an Auxiliary Board member, in coordination with the Assembly concerned, to take some form of action in response to the situation. This involvement will include counselling the believer in question; warning him, if necessary, of the consequences of his actions; and bringing to the attention of the Counsellors the gravity of the situation, which may call for their intervention. Naturally, the Board member has to exert every effort to counteract the schemes and arrest the spread of the influence of those few who, despite attempts to guide them, eventually break the Covenant. The need to protect the Faith from the attacks of its enemies may not be generally appreciated by the friends, particularly in places where attacks have been infrequent. However, it is certain that such opposition will increase, become concerted, and eventually universal. The writings clearly foreshadow not only an intensification of the machinations of internal enemies, but a rise in the hostility and opposition of its external enemies, whether religious or secular, as the Cause pursues its onward march towards ultimate victory. Therefore, in the light of the warnings of the Guardian, the Auxiliary Boards for Protection should keep "constantly" a "watchful eye" on those "who are known to be enemies, or to have been put out of the Faith", discreetly investigate their activities, alert intelligently the friends to the opposition inevitably to come, explain how each crisis in God's Faith has always proved to be a blessing in disguise, and prepare them for the "dire contest which is destined to range the Army of Light against the forces of darkness. -- The Universal House of Justice ---------- From: Baha'i Community of Columbia[SMTP:columbiabahai@arczip.com] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:31 AM To: 'Frederick Glaysher' Subject: RE: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Frederick, Thanks for the email. I appreciate your interest. --Evan -----Original Message----- From: FG [mailto:FG@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 5:36 AM To: ejwilder@arczip.com Subject: The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience Please consider adding my website to your page of links. Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: *** Bahai Faith ***[SMTP:BI*P*GS@LIBERTY.COM] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 9:21 AM Subject: Obituary for Linda Walbridge by Juan Cole FYI From: Juan Cole Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 1:36 am Subject: Obituary for Linda Walbridge Linda Walbridge died of cancer Monday, 9 December 2002, in Bloomington, Indiana. Linda was an active poster to Talisman-1 and many of her messages can be found in its archives. I append just a few for flavor below. Linda, born in New Jersey into a Catholic family, was a devoted and self-sacrificing Baha'i from the late 1960s until 1996. She served as a pioneer in Lebanon in 1973-1974 and again in Jordan some years later. In Jordan she lived in difficult circumstances with two young children. She once remarked to me that she had spent much of her life in penury to serve the Faith, depriving her children in ways she later regretted. In the late 1980s she did a Ph.D at Wayne State University on the Shi`ite community of Detroit, later published as *Without Forgetting the Imam.* She served in the 1990s as deputy director of the Middle East Institute at Columbia University and then taught anthropology at Indiana University. Linda was an outspoken champion of women's rights, the need for women to serve on the Universal House of Justice, and of an approach to the Faith that allowed Baha'is to accommodate themselves to science and rationality. She appears to have particularly infuriated and inspired anxiety in the more male chauvinist men in the Baha'i community. As a former Catholic, she was alive to the need for a sense of mystery and mysticism in religion. Her liveliness and genial sense of humor come through vividly in her talisman messages. With her husband John, Linda published the controversial, "Baha'i Laws and the Status of Men" in World Order, Fall 1984. 25-36, in response to which a forum was published in Dialogue magazine. Linda also published "Rituals: An American Baha'i Dilemma" in the Baha'i Studies Review, available here: https://www.breacais.demon.co.uk/abs/bsr05/58_walbridge_rituals.htm . Her unpublished "Reforming the Marja`: the Baha'i Example" is available at: https://bahai-library.org/unpubl.articles/marja.taqlid.html . In April of 1996, she and her husband were threatened by Stephen Birkland at the orders of Farzam Arbab, Ian Semple, and Douglas Martin with being held in contravention of "the covenant" because of their email messages at talisman@i... in 1994-1996. These email messages in fact had nothing to do with the covenant one way or another, of course. She declined to speak to Mr. Birkland when he tried to get her to come to the telephone. Catholics recognize an inquisition when they see one, and know that no good can come of speaking to the inquisitor. Broken-hearted and betrayed (and not a little furious at this shoddy treatment), Linda ultimately reverted to the Catholicism of her youth for the last few years of her life, especially in Pakistan where she lived for two years doing research. Her book on Pakistani Christians has just been published. She spent most of her life, however, as a believing Baha'i who made enormous sacrifices for the Faith she loved. Her family requests that "In lieu of flowers, contributions should be made to the scholarship fund of St. Joseph's Boys High School, Gujranwala, Pakistan, c/o St. Paul's Catholic Center, 1413 E. 17 th Street, Bloomington IN 47408." Old-time talismanians will want to send a contribution in her name. Linda, we raise a glass of the choice wine to you there in the Abha Kingdom. You fought the good fight. Sincerely, Juan Cole ------- Date: Sat, 16 Dec 95 21:29:22 EWT From: LWALBRID@c... Subject: standing by my words To: talisman@i... Dear Robert, I do think that Ken and Rob's excellent responses on the subject of evolution are quite adequate to prove my point that there are highly intelligent and knowledgeable people here on Talisman who can explain the concept quite adequately. I refuse to return to the bad old days when science had to conform to theology. And, I trust you read the posting from Juan of Abdu'l Baha's talk in New York. This says it all. We should not follow blindly. I feel quite confident that, if the information we have now on evolution were available to Abdu'l Baha, that he would have explained things differently. He was not a scientist. He was a true religious leader - a moral guide for us to follow. It belittles his station (in my eyes) to make him into some cult figure who somehow had all knowledge of all aspects of life. This was not his claim, Robert. We should read his words to feed our hearts, not to nit pick about scientific issues. Let's leave that to the scientists, please!! I found Ahang's posting about the story of Fadil to be both fascinating and heart wrenching. I suppose I can relate so strongly to it because of the Encyclopoedia project. Three cheers for the battle against Fundamentalism! And, Derek. Long may your power outage continue. Dear friends, just as I was posting this note to Derek, the telephone rang. It was my dear nemisis, Derek. He and Burl now have a campaign of telephone torment. I will never be left in peace. I dread tuning into Talisman on Monday for the Derek and Burl scandal hour. They admit to conspiring against me. Is this the example that Abdu'l Baha gave us? Should we not be asking ourselves, would Abdu'l Baha approve of Derek and Burl's treatment of me? (We are supposed to ask ourselves questions like that, aren't we?) By the way, Burl has unsubscribed from Talisman for the week. However, I do believe that he will be sorry. I suggest that everyone forward their messages to Burl this week to make sure he has plenty of reading material when he returns. Thank you in advance for your cooperation in this matter. Linda ------------- Date: Sun, 17 Dec 95 11:05:43 EWT From: LWALBRID@c... Subject: evolution To: talisman@i... Dear Mark, I cannot for the life of me understand what you mean by not having the tools for studying evolution empirically. There are a multitude of ways to study various aspects of evolution using excellent scientific methodology. What else do you want? Why do Baha'is in the 1990s have to sound like my Christian fundamentalist students who literally will not look at ape and hominid skulls when I take them for tours of the anthropology museum? This stuff is so exciting. I find it difficult to believe that intelligent Baha'is don't relish in this stuff knowing that we are liberated from old religious views that denied people the right to explore the universe without fear of breaking religious law. I guess my comments to Derek will have to wait. My husband, the Beloved Listowner, has summoned me to assist him with some matter. I have not even asked what it is, so dutiful and obedient a wife am I. Submissively, Linda ------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 14:21:23 EWT From: LWALBRID@c... Subject: religious images To: talisman@i... John's posting on Fadil and his writings on the Babis made great sense to me. There is a continual struggle in the religions with which I am familiar for control of the image that the religion wishes to project. I have some difficulty, though not nearly to the extent that John, Juan, Todd, and others have, in doing anthropoligical work among the Shi'a because the more learned Shi'a don't want the world to think that the extreme "irrational" aspects of Shi'ism are really present in the world today. They prefer to present an image of Islam (and Shi'ism) as being very legalistic, rational, and in harmony with modern life. For me to explore other aspects of the religion makes them a tad nervous. However, they don't try to stop me. They just expresss exasperation that I persist in speaking to the "wrong" people. My feeling is that the Baha'i Faith won't really gain "respectability" until we are allowed to explore all aspects of the Babi and Baha'i religions and present them as openly as we would any other body of material. I have watched scholars become Muslims even though they are exploring this religion using "cold" Western scientific methodology in their studies. This type of writing is not going to harm the Faith. It will deepen and broaden it. Right now, it is stuck in a groove and, alas, is appearing to be a bit naive. I hope that Talisman's success is to open the doors for all sorts of new understandings. Linda Date: Thu, 15 Feb 96 13:01:44 EWT From: LWALBRID@c... Subject: how mystical can this be? To: talisman@i... First, thank you, Jackson for your posting. I second Terry's suggestion that Talismanians read your book if they have not already done so. It is a very important book and should be on the "must read" list of Baha'i books. Chesmack, you should be coming to this conference at Bosch. Such a spiritually uplifting (a delicately put message to our ever-sensitive Derek) event it should be. And no doubt it would provide you with many opportunities to resolve conflicts. If you do not come, it may be that the only way to avoid conflict is by putting Burl, Derek, and me in opposite parts of Bosch. Since Burl suggested putting me to sleep, I would like to suggest in turn that he be placed in the fountains with the water on. I am surprised anyone is going to show up at this conference. Surely, Derek and Burl have done nothing to put people in the proper frame of mind. If Burl thinks that his "I see Jesus" line is going to convince people of his mystical bent, I think he needs to read more Talisman postings and learn something. Arsalon, you will note the weakness of Derek's argument against me. Since when does my decking 3 monks mean that I don't know a crook when I see one? Linda ------------------------------- From lwalbrid@i... Apr 13 13:27:18 1996 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 12:09:14 -0500 (EST) From: lwalbrid To: talisman@m... Subject: being honest Linda (the one who is always soft spoken and demure) feels that she cannot avoid the discussion of women and their position in the Baha'i Faith. First, I want to applaud Milissa, Sandy, and Leigh on their forthright statements. Sugar coating things only works for a little while. Sooner or later the sugar wears off and your gagging on the hard to swallow stuff. In my heart of hearts I don't really care who used the word "exempt" from the UHJ. I think it is merely a way to make the idea more palatable. We are excluded. Period. And there are many of us who don't like it. And it is going to become a bigger problem as time goes on and the world finds it increasingly acceptable to find women in places of power. Frankly, I can't imagine how Baha'u'llah living in 19th Century Iran could have advocated having women on the UHJ. It would have been unthinkable at that time. It also would have caused so much trouble to have been unimaginable. The Iranian Baha'is faced a great deal of persecution, from what I understand, because men and women were socializing together in Baha'i meetings when they should have been segregated. While I don't want to overgeneralize, I have seen Iranian women, mostly in the M.E., who even in the past couple of decades, would not dare to speak up at an Assembly meeting or Feast for fear of chastizement from their husbands. (Now, I know there are going to be blasts at me for this statement. However, I know this for a fact - not just from observation, but because the women told me of their fears. Certainly this is not a universal situation, but it is indicative of the fact that speaking up in public has been a real issue for Iranian women. I am sure there are plenty of people on the list who will object to my explaining this law in such specifically sociological terms. However, why is it that we accept the fact that discrimination against women occurred in past religions because of social conditions but won't accept the fact that the Baha'i Faith was founded at a time when women in Iranian society were living in seclusion? I don't understand the difference. I have shocked people before by my statements that scripture is only a small part of religion. REligion is a living phenomenon constantly being shaped by social forces. The Baha'i Faith is no different in this regard. If you go to Botswana you are going to find a different expression of the Baha'i Faith than if you are in the U.S. There are a few basic ideas that serve as unifying factors, but most of the religion will be pretty much a cultural phenomenon. I can't help comparing the situation with the Shi'ites with whom I am working. These are all people who "live with scripture." Of all Shi'ites, these are the ones most informed about what the ulama teach and can quote the great ayatollahs about women's place, her "nature," her limitations, etc. However, in spite of this I see a changing expectation for women. Some of receiving college educations. Some are slowly "coming out" and becoming a little more visible. And, what is most interesting, I am meeting a lot of men who wish to see their wives and daughters becoming more educated and informed of the world around them. The fact that they speak so openly to me and deal with me on such equal terms confirms my belief that, though they might know what their grand ayatollahs might say about women's inferior station, the fact is that they are faced with reality and are responding in intelligent, rational ways to it. Yes, even the turbaned ones that are supposed to be so backwards. My point? Well, I guess it is just plod on. There are very good reasons for modern women to feel unhappy with being excluded from the UHJ. This is where major decisions are made. After all, everytime there is any disagreement on Talisman, there are those who want to run to the UHJ and ask them to solve the problem. So, we turn to the men - always - to handle the really big issues, don't we? So, I don't think women need to shut up about this. There are no scietific reasons to think that women cannot make rational judgements and be just as logical as men. So, we can just simply go on saying that "this is the law and it can't be changed," but I don't see how long that sort of attitude is going to continue in the modern world. This is so much longer than I expected. Sorry, folks. If Burl and Derek would let me on their very secret list, I could post all these ideas into that vaccuum and you would never have to read this stuff. Linda www.juancole.com -- Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: ***** Bahai Faith *****[SMTP:BI*P*GS@LIBERTY.COM] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 9:55 AM Subject: Re: Who helped create TRB? I've tried to document the creation of arb and trb on my homepage and at the link below: Talk.Religion.Bahai - Finally Passed on 3rd Vote Jan. 1999 - 218: 63 Talk.Religion.Bahai - Passed Jan 10 1999 - All Related Documents - FAQ alt.religion.bahai & talk.religion.bahai FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/trbmenu.htm All related RFDs and Results appear below: Talk.Religion.Bahai passed 218: 63 1st RFD: Talk.Religion.Bahai Jan 17 1997 1st RESULT: Talk.Religion.Bahai Mar 27 1997 2nd RFD: Talk.Religion.Bahai Jan 12, 1998 2nd RESULT: Talk.Religion.Bahai Feb 22, 1998 3rd RFD: Talk.Religion.Bahai Sept 28, 1998 3rd RESULT: Talk.Religion.Bahai Jan 10, 1999 Annotated NO Voters List for the 2nd Interest Poll Annotated NO Voters List for the 3rd Interest Poll ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Talk.Religion.Bahai - Frequently Asked Questions FAQ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- See also Alt.Religion.Bahai: alt.religion.bahai History of its creation by Jonathan Grobe -- Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: ***** Bahai Faith *****[SMTP:BI*P*GS@LIBERTY.COM] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 9:04 AM Subject: Who helped created TRB? Susan Maneck has a very long and complicated history of censorship and coercion on behalf of her fundamentalist interpretations of the bahai writings. Please see Professor Juan Cole's extensive comments below on her along with Paul Dodenhoff. Many other insights into her behavior may be found around this website written by many other people. Especially noteworthy are the comments regarding Maneck of Steven Scholl re: Article in American Family Foundation's Cultic Studies Journal by Karen Bacquet ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- In an attempt to defeat the 3rd interest poll for talk.religion.bahai, the Bahai "scholar" Susan Maneck called for a NO vote on AOL and alt.religion.bahai, accusing me of "slander" while referring to my opinions as "garbage." When I asked her to present the evidence of such "slander," she was never able to identify anything significant other than my views which are widely known. The similarity of her strategy of demagoguery to that of Mark Towfiq, a member of the BCCA, during the first interest poll, should be noted. Maneck made similar charges against Dr. Juan Cole in early October 1998 on AOL and elsewhere. Full details at https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck1.htm -- Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/ ---------- From: bacquet@tco.net[SMTP:bacquet@tco.net] Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 5:42 PM To: bahaicensorship@fglaysher.com Subject: Broken links Dear Fred, None of your links are working in your updated "Voices of Conscience" -- I didn't check all of them, but the message collections for 2002 bring up a "page not found" message. Love, Karen https://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/Bacquet.html Download NeoPlanet at https://www.neoplanet.com ---------- From: ***** Bahai Faith *****[SMTP:BI*P*GS@LIBERTY.COM] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 6:51 AM Subject: Re: Talisman crackdown "Karen Bacquet" wrote in message news:v12b1qsok8s4fb@corp.supernews.com... > > Sort of like Fred tends to get forgotten when the disenrollees >are discussed. > > Michael in July 1997, Fred in Feb. 1999, and Alison in March 2000 >-- none less than two years apart. Karen, If you don't mind my saying so, you've been deceived into repeating the libel and slander of fundamentalists. I have been and remain a bahai in *perfectly* good standing, unless and until I am informed otherwise by the instutitions that accepted my declaration of belief in Baha'u'llah in 1976 and sent me the bahai identity card on my website, notwithstanding such deceptions as Hoda Mahmoudi's coercive email: https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/To-UHJ1.htm -- Frederick Glaysher The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/