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The Baha'i Cadre System
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The Baha'i Faith is run by a Cadre system which is a carbon copy of the one that used to exist in the worldwide Communist movement. Randy Burns 24 Apr 2005 These people are easily controlled by Cadre Baha'is Randy Burns 14 Jul 2005 The underlying basis of control exercised by the Cadre system Randy Burn 15 Apr 2005
Currently the station of the Guardian is being exercised by the Cadre
Baha'i
The cadre system is not based on Baha'i teachings per se Randy Burns
16 Jan 2005
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"Karen Bacquet" <bacq...@tco.net> wrote in message
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> Oh, yes. The very fact a person has a criticism is taken as a sign that
> they have/are a problem -- the focus ends up being on the fact of
> criticism, not what sparked it.
Quite correct, Karen. The reason for this is obvious. Baha'is have failed
to differientiate between 'Baha'i Administration' and the current 'Baha'i
Political Process.' The 'Deepened Baha'i -- Loyal in the Covenant' has
really pledged fealty to a certain Baha'i Political Process rather than to
the Administrative Order itself. Criticism of things gone awry in the
reality of the rank and file Baha'i exposes this underlying political
process and the fact that it is NOT in fact a legitimate part of Baha'i
Administration itself. Thus those who would expose this relationship are
marked as 'enemies.'
> One of the most remarkable things is
> that they don't care that people leave -- they don't care about
> capacity; they care about obedience. If you can't give them that, then
> they actually *want* you to leave.
Right again. In this sense the 'purpose' of the Baha'i Faith is NOT to
create a 'Baha'i Administration' based on the principles of Baha'u'llah,
rather it is to bring about what they see as the higher purpose of creating
the 'Deepened Baha'i -- Loyal in the Covenant' i.e. one whose total
existence revolves around obedience to those who are higher in the hierarchy
than they are, not loyalty to the teachings of Baha'u'llah, rather loyalty
to functionaries in the hierarchy. It's sad to discover this, but that is
the obvious conclusion one draws.
> Oh, when it comes to actually getting anything done, most of the time,
> it doesn't matter. From what I've seen from the rare person who does
> seem to be able to get any response you have to do a delicate balance
> between being a squeeky wheel combined with grovelling -- and it has to
> be something they haven't already decided they won't do. But most
> people don't have the political ability, and quite innocently stumble in
> without realizing they need it. Most of the time, people just get told
> why nothing is going to be done.
I think changes are made only when it becomes necessary to hide what must
remain hidden from the majority of rank and file members. The rank and file
are necessary to the process, and without rank and file Baha'is there will
be no one to draw on for future 'Deepened Baha'is -- Loyal in the Covenant',
so the rank and file Baha'is as a group must be retained.
Changes are NOT made to bring administration closer to the teachings of
Baha'u'llah, rather changes are only made to prevent the majority of rank
and file members from discovering what is really happening in the inner
political processes of the Faith.
If you really want to understand the Political nature of Baha'i then you
should read "The Moulding of Communists : The Training of the Communist
Cadre" by Frank S. Meyer, who himself had been an active member of the
Communist Party for 14 years. This book explains in 'delicious' detail the
loving requirements of becoming a 'Deepened Baha'i -- Loyal to the Covevant'
or as communists called them members of the Cadre.
Cheers, Randy
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"Heather Carr-Rowe" <r...@northwestel.net> wrote in message
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> The book I'm now reading called The New Revelations by Neale Donald
Walsch
> has some interestings things to say about aggressiveness and defensiveness
> in the 'religious' sense.
>
> From one POV I'm simply being protective of Baha'u'llah's 'original
> intention' as Abdu'l-Baha' Worded it. From the opposite POV I'm
agressively
> attacking the Baha'i Administrative Order
Actually Larry, the Baha'i Faith is run by a Cadre system which is a carbon
copy of the one that used to exist in the worldwide Communist movement. In
the Communist Cadre system, "actually possessing a Party card or functioning
in an organziational unit of the Party is immaterial from any realistic
point of view. The important criterion is acceptance of Communist
discipline and directives." (Frank S. Meyer, The Moulding of Communists:
The Training of the Communist Cadre).
This is the "real" problem that you share with Alison and Michael, a lack of
acceptance of Cadre discipline and adherance to the current directives,
whatever they might be.
> From another POV the Universal House of Justice is simply being
protective
> of Their Own interpretation of what Baha'u'llah's intent for His religion
> was. From the opposite POV the Universal House of Justice is aggressively
> attacking the very Principle and Universal teachings of Baha'u'llah which
> are at the foundation of His Cause.
Cadre's always react to protect their power. Cadre members, irregardless of
their official status in the Faith's administrative structure, are the real
power holder's in Baha'i and they will do whatever it takes to retain that
power. This is not about administration, it is about Leadership and the
right to claim that Leadership role within the Faith. It is in effect the
battle for control over what should have been the area that the Guardianship
would have possessed. It is the continuation of the Guardianship by another
name.
> Thus we can both be seen to be protective of our own personal
> interpretations of what Baha'u'llah's intent was.
>
> The difference is that I acknowledge that my personal interpretation is
> simply that, a personal interpretation of Baha'u'llah's intent, where the
> Universal House of Justice has imposed their own personal interpretation
of
> what Baha'u'llah's intent is on all Baha'is.
Their "interpretation" as you put it is (in my eyes) mere subterfuge on
their part, it is irrelevant. It is not what you believe, it is who you
take orders from. Take orders direct from Baha'u'llah via your heart and
you are automatically suspect, in fact you become useless in their eyes and
thus expendable.
> The Writings make it very clear that The Universal House of Justice has
no
> power of interpretation or of enforcement of their interpretation.
They may not, but what they want : "What is demanded is more than
acceptance, more than the carrying out of decisions. One must make those
decisions one's own--even though one still knows that they are wrong."
(Frank S. Meyer).
> From my POV The Universal House of Justice was discredited when they
> exceeded their authority and began to impose their own interpretational
> standard of qualification for Baha'i membership. They further discredited
> Themselves when they exacerbated the polarization in the Baha'i Faith
> through labeling and marginalizing liberal Baha'is and scholars as a
> 'internal oppostion'.
As Frank S. Meyer put it:
"A veteran of the Communist International once said to me, talking of old
inner-party struggles and referring to the defeat of the Bukharinite Right
opposition, of which he had himself been a leader: 'Of course we were
right--but the Party is always right."
> The counterproductive effect on the Baha'i Faith from this lack of
> leadership on their part, this neglectful incompetance, is only beginning
to
> show its negative results.
As counterproductive as it might seem to be to you, you can be sure that it
is all done on purpose and is not regreted in the least by the cadre.
Cheers, Randy
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"Heather Carr-Rowe" <r...@northwestel.net> wrote in message
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> Even though it was conservative individuals within the Baha'i
> Administrative Order who began the process of drawing artificial lines
> between themselves and their liberal coreligionists, liberal Baha'is have
> drawn some artificial lines as well.
This may not be literally true, Larry. Who was it that started the rumor
that mass teaching efforts in South Carolina had been drastically curtailed
because of racism? Isn't that what really started most of the problems of
the last twenty some years?
> It is time to call an armistice within the Baha'i Faith, this can only
> happen though if the Baha'i Administrative Order comes clean and accepts
Its
> full responcibility in the creation of the divide which currently afflicts
> the Baha'i Faith.
Two things are necessary above all else. Clear guidelines for due process
must be established and adhered to in Administrative matters, and the
Appointee branch must receive better training in how to carry out it's
various tasks. You can't just call a truce, and then not clear up any of
the problems, you must start where the problems themselves are created in
the first place. The major source of our problems have been the overzealous
efforts of the Appointed Branch.
Most of the Administrative Order in and of itself consists of ordinary rank
and file Baha'is. Only the Appointed Branch consists almost exclusively of
Cadre Baha'is. Couldn't we train these people a bit better and screen them
better before hand?
We wouldn't want a bunch of bozos and clowns reaching the highest levels of
our AO, after all.
> The biggest problem of all is that the Baha'i Administrative Order sees
> Itself as blameless, as the victim of acts from an " internal opposition",
> from those they have marginalized by typifing them as "enemies". This
breach
> within the Baha'i Faith can be traced directly to this mindset, a mindset
> clearly counselled against by Abdu'l-Baha' and Baha'u'llah, the religious
> mindset which uses the scape goat of 'enemies' to justify division.
It's the Cadre and the Cadre mindset which has this opinion. Most of the AO
consists of "us," ie. rank and file Baha'is, even at the NSA level. These
people are easily controlled by Cadre Baha'is, so basically whatever the
Cadre puts out becomes the more or less official position of the Faith.
The reason why the Cadre adopts this mindset is obvious, since the Cadre
operaties from a position without "authority" in the Faith, yet exercises a
huge amount of power over the rank and file members. Protection of the
power possessed by the Cadre is all important, and the principles of
Baha'u'llah are easily jettisoned in pursuit of such a task.
> Until such time as the Baha'i Administrative Order and specifically The
> Universal House of Justice become willing to admit that it has been their
> own lack of leadership which has led to the widening of the gulf between
> conservative and liberal Baha'is, all liberal Baha'is can do is try to
> inform other Baha'is of the facts; try to inform other Baha'is about the
> suppression and mistreatment of their coreligionists.
It is primarily a lack of leadership which has either compelled or allowed
the usurpation of power by the Cadre, which of course has by now captured
the UHJ itself and is fairly secure against attack from that direction.
> Whenever liberal voices within the community of Baha' have made even the
> slightest attempt to be heard, whenever liberals Baha'is have even touched
> on the need for reform within the Baha'i Faith the iron fist of the
> Administrative Order has been quick to smash the attempt. The historical
> record speaks for itself: The L.A. Study Class, A Modest Proposal, The
> Service of Women paper, The clamp down on talisman1, Dialogue Magazine,
the
> expulsion of Michael McKenny for speaking openly of his personal
> interpretation of Baha'i teachings and of the conclusions of his
> interpretations: that women need to be welcomed into their rightful roles
as
> members of the Universal House of Justice for it to become two-winged and
> fly, the expulsion of Alision Marshall for daring to suggest that there
can
> be faith without the Administrative Order.
Is that why she was expelled? I've often wondered.
> Until the Administrative Order matures to the point of being able to
accept
> and publicly admit its own share of responcibility in creating the current
> polarization within the community of Baha', it is not only the right of
> liberal Baha'is to speak their consciences, it is the duty of liberal
> Baha'is to continue to remind their fellow coreligionists that such
behavior
> on the part of the Administrative Order is not only ignorant and
intolerant,
> it is un-Baha'i like to the nth degree!
That and expose the machinations of the Cadre. The Cadre lives in the
shadows and draws strength from the darkness that inhabits the old world
order. Up against the wall rank 'n filers!
Cheers, Randy
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"Swiss Heritage" <geot...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Maybe one reason some Baha'is rally around Baha'i regime change
> demagoguery, is because of the devious, cold-blooded, and contemptuous
> way Baha'i institutions, including the Universal House of Justice,
> seem to treat people sometimes. They see signs of that in the language
> of messages from the institutions, and above all in the words and
> conduct of some people who spend their time in Internet discussions
> arguing with critics of Baha'i administration.
I see no reason to think that Baha'is should or could work for regime change
within the Baha'i Faith. Since the Faith is run by a Cadre system this is
for all intents and purposes an impossibility.
You are right that the attitude of the UHJ and its agents is a cause for
major concern. George Bernanos in speaking of the Catholic Church said "The
Saints were obedient, not subservient." There is a vast difference between
the two. No one obeys the laws of their government because they "love"
their government.
> I see all that too, and I can sympathize very well with the feeling
> that it will never change by working within the boundaries drawn by
> those same institutions, or at least that there are faster and better
> ways to work for change that it would be wrong not to use.
Baha'is need to understand the political nature of the AO and the underlying
basis of control exercised by the Cadre system. Since all religions in the
world today are becoming and slowly transforming themselves into political
entities, the Baha'i Faith also must do this. What confuses Baha'i rank and
filers is the common misbelief that the Institutions of the Faith are meant
to be spiritual in nature. Baha'u'lah set up the Mashriqs to be the
spiritual entities in the Faith and the AO as the political arm.
> I certainly am not impressed by the apologetics I've seen posted in
> Internet discussions by people who argue with critics of Baha'i
> administration. I have reasons of my own for strictly abstaining from
> adversarial strategies, but I've never tried to discuss them with
> anyone. For me, walking and working with abused and marginalized
> people has a much higher priority than trying to persuade raging
> castaways that their methods are wrong.
Actually they are wrong, for the reasons I state above. Their is no point
in asking for reform of the AO, but wider understanding of the underlying
facts is needed.
Cheers, Randy
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"Heather Carr-Rowe" <r...@northwestel.net> wrote in message
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>
> As it was God's Will that these 'inseparable institutions' be separated,
> this critical function that was to be the responsibility of an on going
> hereditary Guardianship remains unfulfilled. Who is to speak up when ' any
> enactments ... conflict with the meaning and to depart from the spirit of
> Baha'u'llah's revealed utterances.'? Who is to give voice to what cries
out
> from their heart of hearts?
Some time ago I suggested right here on TRB that the Institution of the
Guardian needed to be resurrected without an actual Guardian but instead as
an institutional body charged with maintaining the duties of the Guardian in
a noninfallible way. The UHJ certainly has the power to establish such a
body, which could either be constituted as a Court or even a Review Board of
some kind. Personally I think this would be a great help to the faith at
this juncture.
> That I have taken apon myself this task in no way is an assertion or
claim
> on my part that I am a Guardian. I recognise only the 'twin Guardians' of
> Baha'u'llah's, 'justice and equity' as being in this day the true
Guardians
> of the Cause. I claim no special station whatsoever, I am simply one of
the
> one hundred billion people to have graced and disgraced this earth.
Currently the station of the Guardian is being exercised by the Cadre Baha'i
as a group. This group has derogated to itself all the rights and
perquisites of the Guardianship without any duly authorized body (such as
the UHJ) acting to create it or authorize it, therefore it is an illict
group which has no right to exist within the Faith.
> It is my heart felt conclusion, based on the many years that I have been
> Baha'i, the many years that I have studied and contemplated the Writings
> that the enactments of the Universal House of Justice against It's
> coreligionists Alison Marshall and Michael McKenny "conflict with the
> meaning" and " depart from the spirit of Baha'u'llah's revealed
utterances".
Without established due process and without an institution of the
Guardianship there is no current method of appealing such decision save that
of appealing directly to the Cadre--the final arbiter of all decisions
currently made in the Faith. The Cadre's price for appeal is already well
know. There is nothing anyone can do about that save the UHJ itself, the
only Center of the Faith that we currently have that is indisputably genuine
in nature.
> I hereby invite The Universal House of Justice to consult here on this
> matter, in the manner that Baha'u'llah has taught us to consult, so that
the
> truth of these matters may be known to all.
The House can do nothing that the Cadre has not already approved in advance.
>So that we truly may show that
> we regard one another ' as one soul ' and that the very purpose for the
> Cause may be fulfilled :
>
> " so that the seal bearing the words "The Kingdom shall be God's" may be
> stamped on every heart, and the light of Divine bounty, of grace, and
mercy
> may envelop all mankind. "
>
> (Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 260)
>
> There is only us, we are them, as one soul.
Appeal to the House is and will be fruitless until the House acts to create
a legitimate Institution of the Guardianship which can root out the Cadre
organization from the bowels of the Faith.
Good luck in your quest,
Randy
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Subject: Re: Baha'i shunning Compared to Jehovah's Witnesses and Shunning
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"Finnegan's Wake" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
>>
> The separation of powers implicit in the democratic model of government
> developed so as to avoid abuse of power by any one branch of government.
> Hence the legislature makes law, the executive carries it out and the
> judiciary ensures the laws are properly interpreted and consistently
> applied. In the AO all power is vested in one body with neither check nor
> control on it. Bahais are not exempt from the application of Acton's
dictum
> that all power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The fact that all power is vested in one body in the Baha'i Faith is not the
problem. Actually all "authority' is vested in one body, the UHJ, however
power is shared out not only thru the other elected bodies but also thru
both the appointed branch and the cadre Baha'is.
All governments, all institutions, all organizations have types of cadre
groups that seek to wrest power from the legitmate authorities, this is why
such things as due process have been developed to prevent abuses.
Legislatures are supposed to legislate, no one needs protection from them
doing their duty, what we need protection from is the collective Cadre group
of lobbyists, industrialists or wealthy persons, bodies of interest and
various interest groups, etc, that continually seek to influence the
legislative acts.
The mains source of protection in the broader society is the idea of the
open society or the idea of freedom of speech or freedom of association,
etc. This allows for a greater degree of investigation behind the scenes to
reveal what these various cadres are really doing to the public and thus
holds some small part of this activity in check. What we see in the Baha'i
faith is that such investigations and reporting is not allowed, and all
attempts at same are censored and the offenders face sanctions.
> In the Bahai
> system I would have had no chance had I complained against the actions of
an
> administrative institution - I've been through that bahai judicial process
> where the institution, whose actions were complained of, was allowed to
file
> evidence which I was not allowed to see and therefore could not rebut or
> refute.
Of course the real point of the Baha'i process is to protect from prying
eyes the cadre system, mainly for fear that the wider body of Baha'is would
seek to wrest the powers entrusted to the Cadre from them if they knew of
their existence. The cadre seeks to prevent this at all costs. Better that
the faith should die then to see the cadre deprived of its power.
> In the litigation I have just finished, there was complete disclosure by
all
> sides of pertinent documentation and a hearing conducted in a most
civilised
> fashion without acrimony of any sort - indeed I was actually joking with
> some of my opponents during a recess and at the conclusion of the hearing.
> My initial experience of complaint against a Bahai institution was a
> judgement that I was "arrogant," made by the body whose actions were
> complained of and who, quite properly, in the Bahai system took
jurisdiction
> of the matter. Common sense ought to tell you that a body cannot
> objectively judge its own actions - indeed, any assertion that it has
acted
> wrongfully will merely serve to impel it to close ranks against the
accuser
> who cannot be other than a base malefactor engaged in malfeasance of the
> first order.
All accusations against Baha'i institutions are seen as direct assaults upon
the cadre system itself. The reason for this is fairly obvious, the cadre
runs all the institutions (or all the important ones), thus any attack on an
institution is seen as a direct attack on the cadre itself, and the cadre
(in fear of discovery) seeks to protect itself.
> One of the major differences twixt the Bahai way and that of a civilised
> society is that the Courts not only render judgements but the ratio
> decidendi therefor. They give reasons, cite laws and precedents and
ground
> the judgement on those and the facts of the case. The Bahais make it up
as
> they go along so that the consistency essential to a sound legal system is
> missing.
The cadre system is not based on Baha'i teachings per se, this is why the
institutions often seem out of touch with actual Baha'i teachings. It's the
cadre that seeks to discard or prevent any normal approach to such
activities. It is the cadre that makes it up so as to prevent any form of
due process developing which could be used by its enemies (the Baha'is
themselves) to remove them from their emplacement in the system.
Cheers, Randy
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"kaweah" <djen...@kaweah.com> wrote in message
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> Randy, I wonder what about the following passage indicates that the
> House of Justice ought to play the role of thought police:
>
> "All matters of State should be referred to the House of Justice, but
> acts of worship must be observed according to that which God hath
> revealed in His Book." -- 8th Ishraq
>
> Is a person's status as a Baha'i a matter of State, or is it a
> spiritual matter? Mind you, a person's ability to worship as a member
> of a spiritual community is impacted here. Picture a world that is
> predominantly Baha'i: what would the Baha'i community do with the
> village whacko then? Cast him out and shun him? Should the UHJ be
> separating the wheat from the chaff, or ought they to leave that job
> to God?
I think the problem lies in the development of the Cadre Baha'i (what we
called "The Deepened Baha'i--Loyal in the Covenant"). The whole process of
the Baha'i Faith today, as it is practised, is not to create a community
thru religious practice, but rather to create the Cadre Baha'i or Deepened
Baha'i--Loyal in the Covenant. Thus the praxis of the Baha'i Faith
currently revolves not around religious ritual in the normal sense but
rather around the process of recruiting and transforming ideal types into
the Cadre Baha'i. Part of that process involves and actually requires the
necessity of total excommication of those who are unable to assist in that
process.
According to Frank S. Meyer in his book "The Moulding of Communists : The
Training of the Communist Cadre," people are conceived of , not as those who
make up the association , those for whom the association exists , but rather
as material to be developed, fertilized, watered--and pruned. This is what
the Baha'i Faith has been reduced to as a result of the creation of the
Cadre elite origanization which replaced the Guardianship.
The one thing that the UHJ does not do very much of are those very tasks
which are actually set out for it in the W&T. Perhaps it would be better if
they would actually begin to do those things.
Cheers, Randy
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"Susan Maneck " <sman...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >
>
> Ahh, here we go again. The secret cabal.
Not a secret cabal but rather a cadre. This "cadre is a distinct elite, the
members of which are recognizable by no title; who may or may not be in
positions of organizational leadership."
"The important criterion is acceptance of discipline and directives. The
cadre constitute a distinct body within the Baha'i Faith. It is the cadre
which has assumed the role of the Guardian. It is the vanguard of the New
Race of Man. The cadre is not the formal leadership of the Baha'i Faith.
Most of the formal leaders of the Faith are members of the cadre, but not
necessarily all. "
"The question can be asked: if the cadre has no official existence, how can
it be identified and what is the source of its being? Members of the cadre
are members of the cadre when they are recognized as such by their equals
and superiors in the cadre. They become members of the cadre and achieve
their status within the cadre by the decision of their superiors in the
cadre; and the status of the superiors depends upon their superiors."
Source: The Moulding of Baha'is : The Training of the Baha'i Cadre.
Cheers, Randy