From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 04, 1998 9:48 AM
Subject: AOL Bahai Forums - Steve Case, Mark Foster
Dear Mr. Foster:
I and others on AOL would appreciate your
resigning from your position [as Forum Leader] so that something
may begin to improve. We have been discussing
periodically since at least August your disapperance
and now ask you to step down.
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm Talk.religion.bahai voter
ballot is on news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.religion.bahai,
or email the votetaker dave@dogwood.com requesting the trb CFV ballot.
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm Talk.religion.bahai voter
ballot is on news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.religion.bahai,
or email the votetaker dave@dogwood.com requesting the trb CFV ballot.
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Rough Draft to Steve Case:
Dear Mr. Case,
There are serious and long standing problems with the
way the Bahai Forums are run. As members of AOL,
who pay $21.95 a month, we're concerned that AOL is
permitting unknowingly a very high level of censorship
and manipulation to take place by essentially religious
zealots who will not permit others to speak their minds.
As members, former members, or non-members of the
Bahai Faith, we have witnessed censorship practiced by
Bahais in many forums on and off the Internet. We presently
are attempting to create an unmoderated newsgroup,
talk.religion.bahai on Usenet. Frederick Glaysher's web
site documents numerous abuses by Bahais of the human
rights of members and non-Bahais:
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/bahai.htm
We ask you to investigate the situation on the AOL Forums
and appoint someone as Forum Leader who will be a fair and
objective person allowing all opinions to find expression
and not abuse their duties in favor of fanatical views or perhaps
appoint two or three people to counterbalance one another
with veto power so that at least some kind of system of checks
and balances might exists to protect people from the tyranny
of past Bahai Forum Leaders.
At the very least, we feel the resolution must allow the following
changes under the Bahai Forums which some members have
been advocating since the middle of August 1998:
alt.religion.bahai and any new future newsgroups on the Bahai
Faith, such as talk.religion.bahai, should it pass, ought to be
added to the list of available Newsgroups under Bahai
Libraries should finally function and accept all postings to them
of any point of view uncensored by the Forum Leader.
Such web sites as Frederick Glaysher's The Bahai Faith &
Religious Freedom of Conscience should be added to Links
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm and any other
link suggested by an AOL member ought to be automatically
added to the list and not censored for religious reasons.
We know that the Bahai AOL Forums have had a stormy
history. We hope that you will help us find a lasting solution to
these profound problems of religious freedom and conscience.
At the moment, we believe the "frozen" nature of the Bahai
Forums very much plays into the hands of those opposed to
freedom of speech and hope a compromise can be reached
allowing for a new atmosphere of openness and toleration on
AOL's Bahai Forums.
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm Talk.religion.bahai voter
ballot is on news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.religion.bahai,
or email the votetaker dave@dogwood.com requesting the trb CFV ballot.
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From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 8:14 AM
To: Frederick Glaysher
Subject: My Response to AOL Shawna T
Subj: Bahai Forums - Why Susan Maneck should be made Message Board Manager
Date: 12/16/1998 7:12:29 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: Fglaysher
To: ShawnnaT
CC: Fglaysher
Shawnna T
Office of the Chairman
Dear Shawnna,
Thank you for acknowledging my message to Mr. Case.
I appreciate your re-routing it to the appropriate person
as AOL and I look forward to hearing from him or her.
Since my original message to you efforts by some Bahais
to use the AOL forums to undermine the Usenet system
of interest polling on talk.religion.bahai have only increased,
especially by Susan Maneck. It's a very complicated
situation with a long and tulmultous history on AOL.
I trust the person you're referring me to will have the
patience and tenacity to help improve the Bahai Forums.
Respectfully,
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm Talk.religion.bahai voter
ballot is on news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.religion.bahai,
or email the votetaker dave@dogwood.com requesting the "trb CFV."
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Subj: Bahai Forums - Why Susan Maneck should be made Message Board Manager
Date: 12/15/1998 9:43:39 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: Steve Case
To: Fglaysher
Dear fglaysher,
I am responding to your letter on behalf of Steve Case. Thank you for taking
the time to write to us.
We appreciate member feedback because it is the best way for us to know what
we are doing right -- and what we could do better.
I have passed your comments to the appropriate person at America Online.
Please feel free to write us again at any time.
Sincerely,
Shawnna T
Office of the Chairman
-------------------------
Dear Mr. Case:
The continuing serious negelect of the Bahai Forums
would not be solved in the best interest of all AOL members
by appointing Susan Maneck. My experience with her on a
scholar mailing list h-bahai at the University of Michigan and
her recent attacks on the creation of talk.religion.bahai on
Usenet convince me that she would not be a fair arbiter. She
has recently threatened to violate Usenet interest poll custom
by calling for a NO vote against the proposed newsgroup
talk.religion.bahai, which has been defeated in the past by
a massive NO vote campaign mounted by other Bahais in a
similar fashion: http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/Towfiq.htm
I hope you will help find a solution to prevent another such Bahai
from having control over the free speech and conscience of AOL
members.
Specifically she has continued to ignore my and others' concerns
about 3 key areas. I've clipped them out of the REVISED PETITION:
alt.religion.bahai and any new future newsgroups on the Bahai
Faith, such as talk.religion.bahai, should it pass, ought to be
added to the list of available Newsgroups under Bahai
Libraries should finally function and accept all postings to them
of any point of view uncensored by the Forum Leader.
Such web sites as Frederick Glaysher's The Bahai Faith &
Religious Freedom of Conscience should be added to Links
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm and any other
link suggested by an AOL member ought to be automatically
added to the list and not censored for religious reasons.
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm Talk.religion.bahai voter
ballot is on news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.religion.bahai,
or email the votetaker dave@dogwood.com requesting the "trb CFV."
-----Original Message-----
From: Fran Baker <fran@crhc.uiuc.edu>
To: fglaysher@hotmail.com <fglaysher@hotmail.com>; fbaker@ncsa.uiuc.edu
<fbaker@ncsa.uiuc.edu>; house@usq.edu.au <house@usq.edu.au>;
johnwalker@ozemail.com.au <johnwalker@ozemail.com.au>;
fran@amber.crhc.uiuc.edu <fran@amber.crhc.uiuc.edu>; smaneck@stetson.edu
<smaneck@stetson.edu>; rdsteph@ibm.net <rdsteph@ibm.net>
Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 5:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Fwd: talk.religion.bahai]
>Resending this to all due to a typo I made in Susan's email address.
>--Fran
>
>Fran Baker wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, Susan, but sometimes an appeal to courtesy is not appropriate.
>> I have to let my coproponents know what you are planning to do.
>> I can't believe you are letting a personality conflict resulting
>> from a passionate disagreement color your judgment in what is
>> essentially a human rights issue. You have crossed a line here.
>>
>> --Fran
>>
>> PS Who is rdsteph@ibm.net? Hi, whoever you are!
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Subject: talk.religion.bahai
>> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:31:28 -0500
>> From: "Susan Maneck " <smaneck@stetson.edu>
>> To: rdsteph@ibm.net
>> CC: Fran Baker <fran@crhc.uiuc.edu>
>>
>> Dear Ron and Fran,
>>
>> I am seriously contemplating calling for a "no" vote on
>> talk.religion.bahai. I wanted to contact you first and explain to you
>> my rationale because I know this is something you have both
>> worked hard for. In the past I have not participated in the votes at
>> all. I wouldn't vote for it because I wanted nothing to do with a list
>> promoted by Fred and I felt that there ought to be the requisite
>> number of 150 truly interested individuals to form it. On the other
>> hand, I would not vote now because I thought it wrong because I
>> did not think that an unmoderated list should be opposed in
>> principle. Now, however, I find the manner in which Fred is going
>> about seeking to establish this list to be more than I can stomach
>> and publicly calling for a "no" vote appears to be the only way to
>> register the extent of our outrage against this kind of behaviour.
>> What I refer to specifically is the campaign of slander and calumny
>> against not only the Institutions, but against myself and the Bahai
>> Studies list. As you know, he accuses this list and me of
>> censorship, which you yourself know is not true. He is also trying
>> to prevent my managing the Baha'i Message Board of AOL for the
>> same reason. He constantly spams that Board making any
>> genuine discussions virtually impossible.
>>
>> I'm going to sit on this a couple of days and give myself a cooling
>> off period before taking any action, but I've really had it "up to here"
>> with this jerk.
>>
>> Please do me the courtesy of not forwarding this message to Fred
>> (although you may convey my sentiments and my intentions). I do
>> not care to see it up in his website tomorrow.
>>
>> warmest, Susan
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 1998 10:47 AM
To: Frederick Glaysher
Subject: 3 Issues
Subject: 3 Issues
Date: 12/27/1998 9:28 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: Fglaysher
Message-id: <19981227092856.12903.00001848@ng-fd1.aol.com>
At the end of 1998, the 3 Issues remain here on the Bahai
Forum:
alt.religion.bahai added to newsgroups
Libraries functioning and accepting all postings to them and
uncensored by Bahais.
My web site The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
added to Web Sites and all others freely accepted as well:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
On alt.religion.bahai and AOL, Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
baha'i
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 9:44 AM
To: talisman; bahai-faith @ egroups.com
Subject: Antinomies - Robert Browning, Dostoevsky
From a May 1992 letter:
I've been reading lately a narrative poem by Robert
Browning, "Bishop Blougram's Apology." I've read it a number of
times over the years, and it's one that I continue to think
about. The character of the bishop is partly based on John Henry
Newman and another contemporary figure in the Roman Catholic
Church, the latter of whom was especially noted for his abuse of
power and position. Over dinner, the bishop justifies his
corruption to a young journalist who has noticed his calculation,
insincerity, and hypocrisy. In much of the poem, Browning is
dealing with the nature of religious doubt. While the bishop is
a hypocrite who embraces Catholicism because it gives him "cabin
comforts" and the "estimation" of the masses, the journalist is
charmingly naive in his insistence that religious faith should be
"absolute." In a marvelous passage Browning recognizes the
complex duality of the human soul:
No, when the fight begins within himself,
A man's worth something. God stoops o'er his head,
Satan looks up between his feet--both tug--
He's left, himself, i' the middle: the soul wakes
And grows. Prolong that battle through his life!
Never leave growing till the life to come!
ll. 690
Putting this truth in a sophist's mouth, Browning probes much
deeper into the struggle for faith than the "pious" usually allow
themselves. To my mind, the health of the spirit requires that
freedom--given by God--to doubt and question and probe every
single dogma of religion in its oppressively organized phase. On
the other hand, Browning's point is partly that doubt itself,
like evil and suffering, is a test of one's belief, for mature
belief can only grow out of the struggle with doubt.
There is something deeply, inescapably, eternally
dialectical in the human being and in the very nature of
existence, the way it develops, evolves, progresses.
Dostoevsky, in his chapter "The Grand Inquisitor," In The
Brothers Karamazov, meditates dialectically on the dilemma of
free will and obedience to religious authority. Christ returns
during the Spanish Inquisition and is imprisoned by the Grand
Inquisitor who accuses Christ of leading men into confusion by
giving them freedom of choice and conscience. The Grand
Inquisitor informs Christ that
We have corrected Your work and have now founded it on
miracle, mystery, and authority. And men rejoice at
being led like cattle again, with the terrible gift of
freedom that brought them so much suffering removed
from them.
The Inquisitor goes on to tell Christ that man's "greatest need
on earth" is "to find someone to worship, someone who can relieve
him of the burden of his conscience, thus enabling him finally to
unite into a harmonious ant-hill where there are no dissenting
voices. . . ." In place of individual responsibility to God, the
Inquisitor promises to free mankind from "the frightening torment
they know today when they have to decide for themselves how to
act." Christ listens to this sophist without uttering a word,
and then, at the end, before being allowed to leave, rises and
kisses the Inquisitor. Ivan, a nihilist, who relates this story,
asserts all too accurately that in the modern world "everything
is permitted." The Grand Inquisitor, grasping for power, a
character to whom Nietzsche must have responded deeply, "doesn't
believe in God." Dostoevsky knew these rich tensions were part
of human nature. At times, the Bahá'í administration grossly
fails to understand that Bahá'u'lláh has also blessed humankind
with this burden of freedom and responsibility.
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
On alt.religion.bahai and AOL, Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 9:00 AM
To: Frederick Glaysher
Subject: Antinomies - Frodo, Prospero
Frodo:
"But I have been too deeply hurt, Sam. I tried to save the Shire,
and it has been saved, but not for me. It must often be so, Sam,
when things are in danger; some one has to give them up, lose
them, so that others may keep them. But you are my heir...."
Prospero:
"Now my charms are all o'erthrown,
And what strength I have's mine own,
Which is most faint....
But release me from my bands,
With the help of your good hands.
Gentle breath of yours my sails
Must fill, or else my project fails,
Which was to please. Now I want
Spirits to enforce, art to enchant;
And my ending is despair
Unless I be relieved by prayer,
Which pierces so, that it assaults
Mercy itself, and frees all faults.
As you from crimes would pardoned be,
Let your indulgence set me free."
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm
talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 1999 9:23 AM
To: Frederick Glaysher
Subject: Antinomies - Milosz
"It appears that my oeuvre is Christian and even (practically)
irreproachable according to the criteria of Catholic theology.
I am not so sure, though I like to hear this. Certainly, it stands
out against the background of twentieth century poetry, also
Polish poetry, which is agnostic or atheist. Yet the religious
content of my poems is not the result of design by a believer;
it grew out of my doubts, turmoil, and despair, as they
searched for a form. If not for a strong heretical seasoning,
the religious content would not have been there. Thus, my
resistance to being squeezed into the rubric of "Catholic
poet" was well founded."
Czeslaw Milosz, Road-side Dog
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From: Fglaysher@aol.com[SMTP:Fglaysher@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 7:29 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: fglaysher@hotmail.com; RBCFAdmin@aol.com
Subject: (no subject)
This person is referring to my opinions as "vitriol"
and in other insulting terms, while Mark Foster the
putative Forum Leader permits it employing his
double standard since she's a true blue Bahai
fundamentalist.
Fglaysher@aol.com
Subject: Re: Folder changes being discussed
Date: 2/27/1999 3:14 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:Wrldunity9">Wrldunity9</A>
Message-id: <19990227151411.16109.00000862@ng116.aol.com>
Hi Susan,
Yes, but still ... "two wrongs don't make a right."
My original comment was for Fred also. And as I always tell my daughter, no
matter what anyone or everyone else does, you are responsible for yourself,
and you can't go wrong taking the high road.
I hope that one day Fred will realize that if he indeed had any valid point to
make on his so-called "technique," his continual spamming and spreading of
vitriol only influences people to avoid his message. Obsession is not a
pretty thing, and I hope Fred can find a way to overcome it and be happy
instead.
Most sincerely,
Becky
----------
From: Fglaysher@aol.com[SMTP:Fglaysher@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 9:23 AM
To: RBCFAdmin@aol.com
Cc: fglaysher@hotmail.com
Subject: Fwd: Bahai Forums - False TOSs by Mark Foster, Forum Leader
<<Message: Re: Bahai Forums - False TOSs by Mar...>>
Dear Jerry White:
Referring to me as having "long pink ears" is not insulting
to me? I beg your pardon. It certainly is. If I were say anything
even remotely like this Foster would TOS me. She's obviously
taunting me and getting away with it to the delight of Bahai
fundamentalists.
In my opinion, Maneck also violates the TOS rules by accusing
me of "violating standard netiquette" when she and other
Bahais are secretly emailing me, demonizing me on AOL,
accusing me of being a covenant breaker (a Bahai heretic), and
slander my character in sundry manner. "Unconscionable" is
a loaded word that in my view applies to Maneck and Foster's
tactics. Please read The Bahai Technique under Libraries if
you have not yet a chance to do so.
In the second message below Maneck accuses me of
slander, a charge she has repeatedly made with impunity
on AOL, for expressing my own opinions about how she
and Mark Foster are manipulating the TOS system to
suppress Bahais like myself who do not share her fanatic
views.
Maneck's own slander of me may be read at
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/Maneck1.htm
The tactics she and other Bahais use against AOL
members may be seen at
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/AOL.htm
I also believe she and Foster are taking advantage of AOL's
TOS system since one can email in just about anything to
it and have a TOS lodged against people. That to me consitutes
harassment and it is exactly what she and Foster have been
doing to me and others in the Bahai Forums. Their intent is
clearly to drive us out of the Forums and suppress the availability
of all information that fails to pass their rigid criteria of orthodoxy.
That I referred to Mark Foster as the "putative Forum Leader" is
not vitriol at all. It is a fact as I see it. He is neither interested in
creating a forum, a public space where all citizens may speak
freely, nor in leading but rather dominating and manipulating
discussion by harassing and driving out people of different points
of view. In my view, he does not deserve to be referred to as a
Forum Leader but has betrayed the trust placed in him by AOL.
Please note that I had requested that alt.religion.bahai and
talk.religion.bahai be added to the main menu for Newsgroups
for the Bahai Forums. It has yet to be done. My uploading of
files, which you referred to, has been suppressed by Foster
for spurious reasons seeking to conceal information from Bahais
and non-Bahais. To say that that information is available elsewhere
is to miss the point. It is NOT available on AOL and many members
will not find it on my website. It belongs also for easy convenience,
which the Libraries are intended for too, on AOL. Foster constantly
uses bogus reasons for his decisions to conceal his real intent
of censoring dissident viewpoints. Similarly, he has refused to add
a link to my website, The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of
Conscience on the main menu for Web Sites while allowing many
literal-minded fundamentalists to appear there that I and other AOL
members and Bahais find narrow, dishonest, and restricting.
I continue to believe the only solution to the censorship that Foster
has imposed on AOL is his resignation as Forum Leader or his
removal by AOL, as AOL had to remove the former putative Bahai
Forum Leader, Vahid whose real name was Edmund. Rather,
Shakespearean, really....
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subject: Re: alt.religion.bahai & talk.religion.bahai
Date: 2/25/1999 11:22 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:Smaneck">Smaneck</A>
Message-id: <19990225112245.13529.00000211@ng-ch1.aol.com>
Charlotte writes:
>So.... I will ask Mark to NOT add these newsgroups if you will not agree to
>immediately remove those items placed there without permission and agree to
>stop the practice of putting them there in the future.
Dear Charlotte,
While your annoyance to Fred doing this is well taken and he is certainly
violating standard netiquette and perhaps copyright laws in forwarding other's
posts, I don't think we can oppose the addition of newsgroups because of the
unconscionable behavior of one of its members.
I think it is sufficient reason to refuse to add Mr. Glaysher's own website,
however since he has total control of its contents. Besides, it is not like he
doesn't "provide" us with that website address on a regular basis.
Hey Fred, do you have long pink ears?
warmest,
Susan Maneck
Subj:TOS - personal insult - Maneck
Date:2/26/1999 7:51:56 AM Eastern Standard Time
From:<A HREF="mailto:Fglaysher">Fglaysher</A>
To:<A HREF="mailto:TOSGeneral">TOSGeneral</A>
CC:<A HREF="mailto:TOSBoards1">TOSBoards1</A>,
<A HREF="mailto:fglaysher@hotmail.com">fglaysher@hotmail.com</A>
This person is consistently insulting me on the
Bahai Forums while the Forum Leader permits it,
though charging me with TOSs for all kinds of
innocuous statements.
Fglaysher@aol.com
Subject: Re: alt.religion.bahai & talk.religion.bahai
Date: 2/25/1999 11:22 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:Smaneck">Smaneck</A>
Message-id: <19990225112245.13529.00000211@ng-ch1.aol.com>
Charlotte writes:
>So.... I will ask Mark to NOT add these newsgroups if you will not agree to
>immediately remove those items placed there without permission and agree to
>stop the practice of putting them there in the future.
Dear Charlotte,
While your annoyance to Fred doing this is well taken and he is certainly
violating standard netiquette and perhaps copyright laws in forwarding other's
posts, I don't think we can oppose the addition of newsgroups because of the
unconscionable behavior of one of its members.
I think it is sufficient reason to refuse to add Mr. Glaysher's own website,
however since he has total control of its contents. Besides, it is not like he
doesn't "provide" us with that website address on a regular basis.
Hey Fred, do you have long pink ears?
warmest,
Susan Maneck
Subj:TOS - false allegation of slander - Maneck
Date:2/26/1999 7:57:44 AM Eastern Standard Time
From:<A HREF="mailto:Fglaysher">Fglaysher</A>
To:<A HREF="mailto:TOSGeneral">TOSGeneral</A>
CC:<A HREF="mailto:TOSBoards1">TOSBoards1</A>,
<A HREF="mailto:fglaysher@hotmail.com">fglaysher@hotmail.com</A>
This person is constantly allowed by the Bahai
Forum Leader Mark Foster to accuse me of "slander"
with impunity. I maintain that no such thing is true.
For her references to my opinions as "garbage,"
for which the Forum Leader also looked the other way,
see
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/Maneck1.htm
Subject: Re: Folder changes being discussed
Date: 2/25/1999 11:27 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:Smaneck">Smaneck</A>
Message-id: <19990225232704.15438.00000711@ng-fi1.aol.com>
Becky writes:
>Now, boys, let's be nice!
Dear Becky,
It is hard to be nice to someone who pretends he wants to open up the
consultation when all the time he is slandering our Forum Leader on other
lists for enforcing AOL TOS rules.
warmest,
Susan Maneck
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From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Kathy Pascoe wrote in message <36fc499b.240054124@news.newsguy.com>...
>
>Deana, please don't jump on Robert either. I don't think any threats to
>shun people have come from him.
Like many of the Bahai fundamentalists here on trb,
he has accused or intimated that people were or are
covenant breakers many times during the last few years.
Skim around in www.dejanews.com or my archives for
examples. Try keyword covenant breaker etc....
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
RBCF Mark wrote in message <19990228103054.11960.00004460@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
>>You're a liar and you know it....
>
>Fred,
>
>I would be careful with those accusations. I have many remedies at my
disposal
>(which I may have considered), you know. How much money do you have?
Notice, like Maneck, when caught redhanded, the new technique
seems to be legal threats....
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/technique.htm
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
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From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 4:04 PM
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Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Kathy Pascoe wrote in message <37067c0d.252969591@news.newsguy.com>...
>On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:47:19 GMT, mirele@newsguy.com (Deana Marie
>Holmes) wrote:
>
>> On 28 Feb 1999 15:30:54 GMT, rbcfmark@aol.com (RBCF Mark) wrote:
>>
>> >>You're a liar and you know it....
>> >
>> >I would be careful with those accusations. I have many remedies at my
disposal
>> >(which I may have considered), you know. How much money do you have?
>>
>> <snort>
>>
>> I'd like to see this one played out in court.
>>
>> It would be a black eye for the Baha'i Faith.
>
>No, it might be a black eye for Mark. It might be a black eye for the
>Administrative Order if they supply the attorney.
The AO has lots of hack Iranian "attorneys" who have no
respect for legal and political system. I would find it most
eloquently amusing for the likes of Maneck, Foster, Towfiq,
Hyman, and such other fanatics to attempt to redeem their
"good" names in court. I doubt any jury of 12 would look at
the evidence on www.dejanews.com or my archives and
rule in their favor....
>People in lots of newsgroups make noises about attorneys that they never
>follow though on, so I'm of the opinion that threats about taking legal
>action shouldn't be posted at all.
>
>(In the news.admin.net-abuse.* hierarchy, spammers get mocked about
>their 'cartooneys', since the 'attorneys' they threaten people with are
>invariably non-existent.)
>
>To Mark: stay above the fray. If someone calls you names repeatedly,
>and you don't respond at that level, or with legal threats you've no
>intention of carrying out, that person tars him or herself more than you
>are tarred (my opinion, of course, YMMV, yadda yadda).
Far from tar, he has lied when he claimed he was not
targetting me nor be unfair in his abuse of the AOL TOS
system. Several other AOL members have emailed me.
I'm sure they'd be happy to appear in court on my behalf too....
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>--
>Kathy Pascoe ~ kathy@scconsult.com (at home)
>Confused about newsgroups? Visit <news:news.newusers.questions>
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From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Kathy Pascoe wrote in message <37067c0d.252969591@news.newsguy.com>...
>On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:47:19 GMT, mirele@newsguy.com (Deana Marie
>Holmes) wrote:
>
>> On 28 Feb 1999 15:30:54 GMT, rbcfmark@aol.com (RBCF Mark) wrote:
>>
>> >>You're a liar and you know it....
>> >
>> >I would be careful with those accusations. I have many remedies at my
disposal
>> >(which I may have considered), you know. How much money do you have?
>>
>> <snort>
>>
>> I'd like to see this one played out in court.
>>
>> It would be a black eye for the Baha'i Faith.
>
>No, it might be a black eye for Mark. It might be a black eye for the
>Administrative Order if they supply the attorney.
The AO has lots of hack Iranian "attorneys" who have no
respect for legal and political system. I would find it most
eloquently amusing for the likes of Maneck, Foster, Towfiq,
Hyman, and such other fanatics to attempt to redeem their
"good" names in court. I doubt any jury of 12 would look at
the evidence on www.dejanews.com or my archives and
rule in their favor....
>People in lots of newsgroups make noises about attorneys that they never
>follow though on, so I'm of the opinion that threats about taking legal
>action shouldn't be posted at all.
>
>(In the news.admin.net-abuse.* hierarchy, spammers get mocked about
>their 'cartooneys', since the 'attorneys' they threaten people with are
>invariably non-existent.)
>
>To Mark: stay above the fray. If someone calls you names repeatedly,
>and you don't respond at that level, or with legal threats you've no
>intention of carrying out, that person tars him or herself more than you
>are tarred (my opinion, of course, YMMV, yadda yadda).
Far from tar, he has lied when he claimed he was not
targetting me nor be unfair in his abuse of the AOL TOS
system. Several other AOL members have emailed me.
I'm sure they'd be happy to appear in court on my behalf too....
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>--
>Kathy Pascoe ~ kathy@scconsult.com (at home)
>Confused about newsgroups? Visit <news:news.newusers.questions>
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From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 4:07 PM
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Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
RBCF Mark wrote in message <19990228171349.13527.00006519@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>Hi, Kathy -
>
>I appreciate the input, and you are probably right about staying out of the
>fray. However, I don't say things that I don't mean.
>
>Of course, considering one's options doesn't *necessarily* mean that one
will
>pursue them. And there is nothing to be gained by rushing into such things.
As
>I see it, time is on my side. ;-)
>
>Cordially, Mark Foster
You're a liar. You claimed you have not targetted me, and you
have.... Others have thought so too on AOL. You don't deserve
to be called a "Forum Moderator." You're obviously censoring
for the Bahai fundamentalists there, as has been done by
others on soc.religion.bahai, bahai-discuss, and so forth.
Your specious excuses twisting the TOS rules only redounds
to your shame....
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
RBCF Mark wrote in message <19990228171349.13527.00006519@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>Hi, Kathy -
>
>I appreciate the input, and you are probably right about staying out of the
>fray. However, I don't say things that I don't mean.
>
>Of course, considering one's options doesn't *necessarily* mean that one
will
>pursue them. And there is nothing to be gained by rushing into such things.
As
>I see it, time is on my side. ;-)
>
>Cordially, Mark Foster
You're a liar. You claimed you have not targetted me, and you
have.... Others have thought so too on AOL. You don't deserve
to be called a "Forum Moderator." You're obviously censoring
for the Bahai fundamentalists there, as has been done by
others on soc.religion.bahai, bahai-discuss, and so forth.
Your specious excuses twisting the TOS rules only redounds
to your shame....
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: Baha'i Schools of Thought
RBCF Mark wrote in message <19990227231928.15440.00001973@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>Hi, Juan -
>
>I agree that the Baha'i community needs to be more tolerant of diversity.
It
>saddens me that we are so far from conforming to the standard that
`Abdu'l-Baha
>taught us.
How about you Mark and your constant hatch jobs on
people on AOL? I find it disgusting that you come in
here and pretend to liberality of motive....
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: Baha'i Schools of Thought
RBCF Mark wrote in message <19990227232123.15440.00001976@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>I think that doctrinal unity means that we accept the essentials (whatever
they
>are <g>). However, I have also observed a tendency of people to simply echo
>each other, which strikes me as a lack of critical thought.
You're obviously regularly exploiting this pronounced pattern
of the fundamentalist lackies on AOL.... You know you can
count on them to chime in when you need them to shore up
your deceitful attacks that pretend to be supporting the TOS
rules.
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: Open plea to Fred
Well, Paul, I know you mean well, and I respect your point
of view. Yes, we have disagreed in the past and yes you
have been candid. You're entitled to your opinions.
While thanking you for your many contributions that helped
create talk.religion.bahai, we'll have to agree to disagree,
as they say....
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
K. Paul Johnson wrote in message <36dac2f3.0@vlinsvr>...
>Dear Fred,
>
>Since I'm being accused of unfairness for criticizing Saman for
>being consistently aggressive in tone (which he's since stopped),
>but allegedly ignoring your level of aggression (although you
>know I've commented negatively on it several times) I want to
>make something perfectly clear. While I think you are on the
>right side of the issues, your demeanor is a serious detriment
>to the message you are trying to convey. You come across as if
>your outrage valve has been stuck in the fully open position for
>a very long time. Communicating in a nonstop tone of tirade,
>personal denunciation, ranting, etc. makes people take you a lot
>less seriously than if you said the same things differently. You
>can see that in the case of others; can't you see it in your own?
>You are hurting the cause you profess to serve.
>
>If being around Baha'is in cyberspace really makes you this stressed out,
>manically aggressive, whatever it is, and you can't change that,
>it would be best to avoid them. Nothing, absolutely nothing, is
>worth spending a large portion of your life in a state of
>hyperarousal like this. Not only is it bad for one's mental
>health, it is very dangerous physically.
>
>Please calm down, for your own sake and for the cause of open
>exploration of the merits and demerits of the Baha'i religion and
>administration. Shouting does no one any good.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Paul
>
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Vinson Jamir wrote in message <36DB5708.437E577E@bellsouth.net>...
>Dear Milissa,
> Seems to me that Fred refers to behaviors of which he disapproves
rather than
>nationalities and races. I have yet to see any critical comments about
Iranian
>culture, language, and history emanating from Fred. He simply
disapproves of
>the behavior of some Iranians within the organization of the Baha'i Faith.
I
>would hope the term "Iranian bashing" would imply something more than such
limited
>criticisms.
Thank you for your more nuanced understanding of
what I'm saying. It is the "behavior of some Iranians"
within the Bahai Faith that I disapprove of and have
always said so. There are exceptions. The general
tendency, though, is not pleasant to watch nor
experience, and quite distructive to the Bahai Faith....
> To be a qualified "basher" of any particular nationality or ethnicity,
it
>should be required that the alleged bashing involve denigration of the
entire
>ethnicity as such, not merely that some of its members exhibit certain
behaviors
>within one particular organized religious movement. Consider, for example,
how
>many times we hear about Italian crime families. Imagine someone being
accused of
>racism and prejudice for merely mentioning the existence of Italian crime
>families! It is behavior we hear about from Fred, repeatedly, but not
>condemnation of entire nationalities as such.
> I'll wager there are certain aspects of Iranian culture and society
Fred
Quite deeply, actually.... I've spent considerable parts of my
adult life studying the Bahai Writings and the classical Iranian
writers. If I had no respect for Iranians per se, I would certainly
not have bothered. The accusation of racism against me is but
merely another form of the Bahai Technique, in my opinion....
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
>really likes.
>
>vinson
>
>
>Milissa Boyer Kafes wrote:
>
>> Hi Frederick--
>>
>> you wrote:
>> (snip)
>>
>> > The AO has lots of hack Iranian "attorneys" who have no
>> > respect for legal and political system. I would find it most
>> > eloquently amusing for the likes of Maneck, Foster, Towfiq,
>> > Hyman, and such other fanatics to attempt to redeem their
>> > "good" names in court. I doubt any jury of 12 would look at
>> > the evidence on www.dejanews.com or my archives and
>> > rule in their favor....
>>
>> PLEASE Frederick, stop with the Iranian bashing! I know so many Iranians
(both
>> Baha'i and non-Baha'i)who are so cool.
>>
>
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: Draper (was: "every planet hath its creatures.")
I would be quite interested in reading Draper's book as
well. I have looked for it in the past but was unable at the
time to find a copy of it. It should be fascinating reading
as a crucial text influencing Abdu-l'Baha's intellectual development.
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
jrcole@umich.edu wrote in message <7bfu6b$145$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>Yeah, we have a copy of the 1873? edition here at U-M. I'm going to get it
>out and have it photocopied (that would be more like $20!) I have a
scanner
>with an Automatic Document Feed, so I can just put it right through.
Anybody
>who does any serious scanning should have an ADF. They aren't expensive
any
>more.
>
>cheers Juan
>
>
>
>Juan Cole, History, U of Michigan
>http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai.htm
>Buy *Modernity and the Millennium: The Genesis of the Baha'i Faith* at:
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0231110812/002-4036721-8058448
>
>-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
>http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
The illustrious Bahai Forum Leader on AOL Mark Foster commenting
on the request for a Folder titled Bahai Censorship:
>>Several people said that they wanted it. So, I thought that we could give
it
>>a try. If problems result because of it, it can always be removed later.
fglaysher writes:
>So is this an example of Bahai love and tolerance? Here we appear to have
the
>real motives of what appears to be the Forum Censor, not Leader....
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
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From: Fglaysher@aol.com[SMTP:Fglaysher@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 7:35 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: fglaysher@hotmail.com
Subject: Insult
This person is insulting me by referring to me and
my ideas and posts as "bizarre" and in a derogatory
fashion.
Subject: Re: Bahai Censorship Folder
Date: 3/2/1999 5:02 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:WScott1995">WScott1995</A>
Message-id: <19990302170211.29244.00002443@ng31.aol.com>
Susan,
Fred said: >>>Do you support the terrorist tactics of Bahai fundamentalism?<<<
You said: >>>Did you see this? <<<
Nope, not until you posted it. I don't read Fred's posts usually, especially
when he posts ten at a time. They are too bizarre and life is too short. :)
>>>Now we know why Fred posts our private correspondence. He's terrorized by
us!<<<<
LOL! Yes, we're pretty terrible, everyone knows that! ;) <g>
_____________________________
Love and peace, Wendy--------<-@
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: Love bombing
Dale Grider wrote in message <36DC7ABF.17E4AAC7@bellsouth.net>...
The problem of sin
>and its eternal consequences is thus swept under the spiritual carpet.
As a Bahai, I couldn't agree more.... Many of my fellow
Bahais live in a dreamy little state of mind that relegates
the dark realities of man's human nature to non-existence.
However, I don't believe the Bahai Writings neglect the
reality of sin and evil....
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
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Gary,
The only method that works is to rename (or mark as hidden, or delete) all
instances of WIN.COM on your hard drives, and then run setup from the DOS
prompt.
Info courtesy of Sean Erwins's Windows 98 FAQ at
http://www.listmaker.net/win98/index.html#upgrade .
Hope this helps!
Tim Klymkow
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary <ggshaw@uq.net.au>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 4:55 AM
Subject: PCWorks: Error SU0168 uprgrade win95 to win98 with oem win98 cd.
>Problem: Win95b installed. Want to
>upgrade to Win98. I only have Win98 OEM
>CD. I get the following message after
>Win98 has copied temp files to begin
>install.
>"Your computer has an operating system
>installed, which cannot be upgraded by
>this version.
>
>"error SUO168"
>
<snip>
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From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 9:28 AM
To: abuse@usa.net
Subject: listserv spam from testcase2@usa.net
Dear abuse@usa.net
Someone has been using an account at testcase2@usa.net
for nearly a month now to bombard my fglaysher@hotmail.com
account with false subscriptions to listservs. Two listserv
adminstrators at Indiana.edu have helped a lot to figure out
where it's coming from and I include their messages below
along with the header and message of one piece of mailing
showing testcase2@usa.net in the FROM.
If you could turn off that account completely it would really help.
I also ask you to identify to me who the person is behind the spam
so that I might be able to do something about it. They've begun
a second wave of attacks just yesterday and today from lists
at www.onelist.com whom I've notified but seem to still be
passing many of the messages, though not all, through the
testcase2@usa.net address. The last message here shows
that address again.
I had 475 messages in my inbox this morning most from
this account testcase2@usa.net
Thanks in advance for anything you can do to stop
this.
Desperately in need of your help,
Frederick Glaysher
fglaysher@hotmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: LISTSERV Administrator <lstadmin@indiana.edu>
To: Frederick Glaysher <fglaysher@hotmail.com>
Cc: List Administrator <list-admin@indiana.edu>; stephenl@indiana.edu
<stephenl@indiana.edu>
Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: false listserv subscription
>Frederick and Larry,
>
>Do you anything about the subscription testcase2@usa.net? If I'm
>reading the headers right it looks like the message sent to Frederick
>came from that address.
>
>Larry -- if you want to test this you could set testcase2 to nomail and
>we could see if that stops the flow of mail to Frederick.
>
>Peg Bassett
>UITS Messaging Team
>
>On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Frederick Glaysher wrote:
>
>> Sorry it's taken me a week or so to reply. I'm still receiving
>> all the messages posted to your listservs. I'm going to try
>> to attach them and insert them in here to give you the
>> complete headers in one way or another.
>>
>> I really appreciate your help. My account is completely
>> overwhelmed by all this junk mail and takes several
>> minutes to download the few legitimate messages.
>>
>> Frederick Glaysher
>> fglaysher@hotmail.com
>>
>>
>> >From testcase2@USA.NET Mon Feb 22 08:25:12 1999
>> Received: from [204.68.24.139] by hotmail.com (1.1) with SMTP id
>> MHotMailB89ACFE724011D101708CCC44188B9B990; Mon Feb 22 08:25:12 1999
>> Received: (qmail 18627 invoked by uid 0); 22 Feb 1999 12:28:53 -0000
>> Received: from listserv.indiana.edu [129.79.5.189] by mx02 via mtad (2.6)
>> with ESMTP id 831DBVmoK0146M02; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:14:36 GMT
>> Received: from piano (129.79.5.189) by listserv.indiana.edu (LSMTP for
>> Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.F38FDCE0@listserv.indiana.edu>; Mon, 22
>> Feb 1999 7:14:14 -0500
>> Received: from LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU by LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
(LISTSERV-TCP/IP
>> release 1.8c) with spool id 17591351 for
>> DEEP-SOUTH-ROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU; Mon, 22 Feb 1999
07:14:12
>> -0500
>> Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by listserv.indiana.edu (LSMTP for
Windows
>> NT
>> v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.F2CC3EC0@listserv.indiana.edu>; Mon, 22
Feb
>> 1999 7:14:12 -0500
>> Received: from BGeoT@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id ODDLa24348
>> for
>> <deep-south-roots-l@listserv.indiana.edu>; Mon, 22 Feb 1999
>> 07:14:08
>> -0500 (EST)
>> Mime-Version: 1.0
>> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>> Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
>> X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205
>> Message-ID: <7f98222.36d14a10@aol.com>
>> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:14:08 EST
>> Reply-To: BGeoT@AOL.COM
>> Sender: "A discussion list for genealogy in AL, GA, FL and MS"
>> <DEEP-SOUTH-ROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
>> From: George Turnipseed <BGeoT@AOL.COM>
>> Subject: [D-S] JOHNSTON&CALDWELL-HancockCoMS-1800s
>> To: DEEP-SOUTH-ROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>>
>> I am searching for info, ancestors of James Johnston born c1810 in NC,
>> married Eleonore ___ c1830 Hancock Co MS. Their son, George W Johnston
>> born 1841 married Victoria V Caldwell.
>> Please contact by e-mail: BGeoT@aol.com
>> George Turnipseed
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------
>> List problems?
>> Check
>> your WELCOME message FIRST
>> http://php.indiana.edu/~stephenl/problems.htm SECOND
>> then contact stephenL@indiana.edu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: List Administrator <list-admin@indiana.edu>
>> To: Stephens, Larry V <stephenl@indiana.edu>; 'Frederick Glaysher'
>> <fglaysher@hotmail.com>; 'lstadmin@othello.ucs.indiana.edu'
>> <lstadmin@othello.ucs.indiana.edu>
>> Cc: 'help@hotmail.com' <help@hotmail.com>; 'support@hotmail.com'
>> <support@hotmail.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 12:49 PM
>> Subject: RE: false listserv subscription
>>
>>
>> >I've searched back through all of the LISTSERV log files for February I
did
>> >not find a subscription request from Mr. Glaysher for the
>> Deep-South-Roots-L
>> >list. I also did not find any indication that mail to this list was
>> >distributed to
>> >the address fglaysher@hotmail.com.
>> >
>> >Mr. Glaysher -- are you still receiving list mail from our server? If
yes,
>> >could
>> >you please forward a copy of a recent message, with full headers to me?
>> >
>> >
>> >Peggy Bassett
>> >University Information Technology Services
>> >Indiana University, Bloomington
>> >bassett@indiana.edu
>> >>
>> >> owner-java-com@DISCUSS.MICROSOFT.COM
>> >> Java-COM@DISCUSS.MICROSOFT.COM
>> >>
>> >> LINGUIST@LINGUIST.LDC.UPENN.EDU
>> >> LISTSERV@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>> >> linguist@linguistlist.org
>> >>
>> >> PENNSYLVANIA-ROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>> >> owner-pennsylvania-roots-l@listserv.indiana.edu
>> >> DEEP-SOUTH-ROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>> >>
>> >> MTG-STRATEGY-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM
>> >> PLI-Y2KLAW@PLI.EDU
>> >> owner-pli-y2klaw@pli.edu
>>
>>
>
>
From: "Tim Klymkow" <klymkow@a-znet.com> Save Address Block Sender
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:40:58 -0500
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Gary,
The only method that works is to rename (or mark as hidden, or delete) all
instances of WIN.COM on your hard drives, and then run setup from the DOS
prompt.
Info courtesy of Sean Erwins's Windows 98 FAQ at
http://www.listmaker.net/win98/index.html#upgrade .
Hope this helps!
Tim Klymkow
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary <ggshaw@uq.net.au>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 4:55 AM
Subject: PCWorks: Error SU0168 uprgrade win95 to win98 with oem win98 cd.
>Problem: Win95b installed. Want to
>upgrade to Win98. I only have Win98 OEM
>CD. I get the following message after
>Win98 has copied temp files to begin
>install.
>"Your computer has an operating system
>installed, which cannot be upgraded by
>this version.
>
>"error SUO168"
>
<snip>
============= PCWorks Mailing List ===============
Visit Our Random "Member HomePage of the Week":
Shelley Gaffney's "Shelley's Money Making Opportunities"
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Labyrinth/9790/
PCWorks WebPage http://www.telesouth1.com/~pcworks
==============================================
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: False TOSs on AOL - Bahai Forum Leader Mark Foster
Vinson Jamir wrote in message <36DE126C.100D27E2@bellsouth.net>...
He loves
>Persian literature and maybe even certain Persian dishes,
"Love" is too unqualified of a word. While I respect Rumi and other
classical Iranian poets, they fail, as Yeats once said of an
idealistic poet, to have a Vision of Evil.... I was especially struck
by this once reading the Mathnawi and simply put it aside and
have never had any desire to pick it up again. Much Bahai
"literature" strikes me the same way....
Koreshe bademjan.
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
----------
From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 10:07 AM
To: abuse@mindspring.net
Subject: mindspring spammer
Please help stop the person who is spamming me with
false listserv subscriptions. They may be originating
from mindspring.com or usa.net. My note to usa.net
should explain the situation to you. The last message
here contains reference to mindspring.com:
Thank you.
Frederick Glaysher
fglaysher@hotmail.com
Dear abuse@usa.net
Someone has been using an account at testcase2@usa.net
for nearly a month now to bombard my fglaysher@hotmail.com
account with false subscriptions to listservs. Two listserv
adminstrators at Indiana.edu have helped a lot to figure out
where it's coming from and I include their messages below
along with the header and message of one piece of mailing
showing testcase2@usa.net in the FROM.
If you could turn off that account completely it would really help.
I also ask you to identify to me who the person is behind the spam
so that I might be able to do something about it. They've begun
a second wave of attacks just yesterday and today from lists
at www.onelist.com whom I've notified but seem to still be
passing many of the messages, though not all, through the
testcase2@usa.net address. The last message here shows
that address again.
I had 475 messages in my inbox this morning most from
this account testcase2@usa.net
Thanks in advance for anything you can do to stop
this.
Desperately in need of your help,
Frederick Glaysher
fglaysher@hotmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: LISTSERV Administrator <lstadmin@indiana.edu>
To: Frederick Glaysher <fglaysher@hotmail.com>
Cc: List Administrator <list-admin@indiana.edu>; stephenl@indiana.edu
<stephenl@indiana.edu>
Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: false listserv subscription
>Frederick and Larry,
>
>Do you anything about the subscription testcase2@usa.net? If I'm
>reading the headers right it looks like the message sent to Frederick
>came from that address.
>
>Larry -- if you want to test this you could set testcase2 to nomail and
>we could see if that stops the flow of mail to Frederick.
>
>Peg Bassett
>UITS Messaging Team
>
>On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Frederick Glaysher wrote:
>
>> Sorry it's taken me a week or so to reply. I'm still receiving
>> all the messages posted to your listservs. I'm going to try
>> to attach them and insert them in here to give you the
>> complete headers in one way or another.
>>
>> I really appreciate your help. My account is completely
>> overwhelmed by all this junk mail and takes several
>> minutes to download the few legitimate messages.
>>
>> Frederick Glaysher
>> fglaysher@hotmail.com
>>
>>
>> >From testcase2@USA.NET Mon Feb 22 08:25:12 1999
>> Received: from [204.68.24.139] by hotmail.com (1.1) with SMTP id
>> MHotMailB89ACFE724011D101708CCC44188B9B990; Mon Feb 22 08:25:12 1999
>> Received: (qmail 18627 invoked by uid 0); 22 Feb 1999 12:28:53 -0000
>> Received: from listserv.indiana.edu [129.79.5.189] by mx02 via mtad (2.6)
>> with ESMTP id 831DBVmoK0146M02; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:14:36 GMT
>> Received: from piano (129.79.5.189) by listserv.indiana.edu (LSMTP for
>> Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.F38FDCE0@listserv.indiana.edu>; Mon, 22
>> Feb 1999 7:14:14 -0500
>> Received: from LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU by LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
(LISTSERV-TCP/IP
>> release 1.8c) with spool id 17591351 for
>> DEEP-SOUTH-ROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU; Mon, 22 Feb 1999
07:14:12
>> -0500
>> Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by listserv.indiana.edu (LSMTP for
Windows
>> NT
>> v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.F2CC3EC0@listserv.indiana.edu>; Mon, 22
Feb
>> 1999 7:14:12 -0500
>> Received: from BGeoT@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id ODDLa24348
>> for
>> <deep-south-roots-l@listserv.indiana.edu>; Mon, 22 Feb 1999
>> 07:14:08
>> -0500 (EST)
>> Mime-Version: 1.0
>> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>> Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
>> X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205
>> Message-ID: <7f98222.36d14a10@aol.com>
>> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:14:08 EST
>> Reply-To: BGeoT@AOL.COM
>> Sender: "A discussion list for genealogy in AL, GA, FL and MS"
>> <DEEP-SOUTH-ROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
>> From: George Turnipseed <BGeoT@AOL.COM>
>> Subject: [D-S] JOHNSTON&CALDWELL-HancockCoMS-1800s
>> To: DEEP-SOUTH-ROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>>
>> I am searching for info, ancestors of James Johnston born c1810 in NC,
>> married Eleonore ___ c1830 Hancock Co MS. Their son, George W Johnston
>> born 1841 married Victoria V Caldwell.
>> Please contact by e-mail: BGeoT@aol.com
>> George Turnipseed
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------
>> List problems?
>> Check
>> your WELCOME message FIRST
>> http://php.indiana.edu/~stephenl/problems.htm SECOND
>> then contact stephenL@indiana.edu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: List Administrator <list-admin@indiana.edu>
>> To: Stephens, Larry V <stephenl@indiana.edu>; 'Frederick Glaysher'
>> <fglaysher@hotmail.com>; 'lstadmin@othello.ucs.indiana.edu'
>> <lstadmin@othello.ucs.indiana.edu>
>> Cc: 'help@hotmail.com' <help@hotmail.com>; 'support@hotmail.com'
>> <support@hotmail.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 12:49 PM
>> Subject: RE: false listserv subscription
>>
>>
>> >I've searched back through all of the LISTSERV log files for February I
did
>> >not find a subscription request from Mr. Glaysher for the
>> Deep-South-Roots-L
>> >list. I also did not find any indication that mail to this list was
>> >distributed to
>> >the address fglaysher@hotmail.com.
>> >
>> >Mr. Glaysher -- are you still receiving list mail from our server? If
yes,
>> >could
>> >you please forward a copy of a recent message, with full headers to me?
>> >
>> >
>> >Peggy Bassett
>> >University Information Technology Services
>> >Indiana University, Bloomington
>> >bassett@indiana.edu
>> >>
>> >> owner-java-com@DISCUSS.MICROSOFT.COM
>> >> Java-COM@DISCUSS.MICROSOFT.COM
>> >>
>> >> LINGUIST@LINGUIST.LDC.UPENN.EDU
>> >> LISTSERV@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>> >> linguist@linguistlist.org
>> >>
>> >> PENNSYLVANIA-ROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>> >> owner-pennsylvania-roots-l@listserv.indiana.edu
>> >> DEEP-SOUTH-ROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>> >>
>> >> MTG-STRATEGY-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM
>> >> PLI-Y2KLAW@PLI.EDU
>> >> owner-pli-y2klaw@pli.edu
>>
>>
>
>
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Gary,
The only method that works is to rename (or mark as hidden, or delete) all
instances of WIN.COM on your hard drives, and then run setup from the DOS
prompt.
Info courtesy of Sean Erwins's Windows 98 FAQ at
http://www.listmaker.net/win98/index.html#upgrade .
Hope this helps!
Tim Klymkow
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary <ggshaw@uq.net.au>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 4:55 AM
Subject: PCWorks: Error SU0168 uprgrade win95 to win98 with oem win98 cd.
>Problem: Win95b installed. Want to
>upgrade to Win98. I only have Win98 OEM
>CD. I get the following message after
>Win98 has copied temp files to begin
>install.
>"Your computer has an operating system
>installed, which cannot be upgraded by
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From: Fglaysher@aol.com[SMTP:Fglaysher@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 11:01 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: TOSBoards1@aol.com; fglaysher@hotmail.com
Subject: TOS Bahai Forums/Message Boards/for Non Bahais
This person attacks the sincerity of my religious
convictions:
Subject: Fred on being a Bahá'í
Date: 3/3/1999 11:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:Arhil">Arhil</A>
Message-id: <19990303114024.00290.00002884@ng-fd1.aol.com>
<<As a MEMBER OF THE BAHAI FAITH for over 23 YEARS,>>
Fred -
You make a big point, both in these folders & in your web site, about how
long you've been a Bahá'í & how devoted you are to the Faith. If this is true,
then I have a question for you - Why do you have links on your web site to
Christian & Muslim sites which declare Bahá'u'lláh to be a false prophet & the
Bahá'í Faith to be a corruption of true religion (I'm speaking specifically of
"Bahá'í Christian Fireside Letters" & "Answering Bahá'u'lláh")?
This is not consistent w/ your claims of devotion.
In love and brotherhood,
Roy
----------
From: Fglaysher@aol.com[SMTP:Fglaysher@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 11:06 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: TOSBoards1@aol.com; fglaysher@hotmail.com
Subject: TOS BAhai Forums/Message Boards/For Non-BAhais
This person is threatening me in a manner that only Bahais
can do to other Bahais and which non-Bahais may entirely
fail to perceive: He's intimating I'm disloyal to the Bahai
Faith and its teachings and therefore a "covenant breaker,"
the worst accusation a Bahai can make of another. I request
that you place a TOS on his account for this coercive tactic.
Frederick Glaysher....The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience:
http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/index.htm On talk.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.bahai, and AOL: Keyword Bahai, Message Boards
Subject: PS: Fred on being a Bahá'í
Date: 3/3/1999 2:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:Arhil">Arhil</A>
Message-id: <19990303144610.28354.00002877@ng117.aol.com>
Fred -
As a further note, the "Answering Bahá'u'lláh" web site displays a copy of
Bahá'u'lláh's picture. The Universal House of Justice has given guidance on
this matter:
"Concerning the question of display of the photograph of Baha'u'llah, the
Guardian's instructions were that this should be done only with the utmost
reverence, and then only on special occasions."
(From a letter dated 1 August 17 written by the Universal House of Justice to
an individual believer)
"It would be good to advise the young Persian believer who has this picture
that, while we do not wish to suggest that he should remove the photograph
from his book, it would be inappropriate for him to show it to others in a
casual manner. As you know, the photograph of Baha'u'llah is very precious and
it should be handled with due reverence and respect."
(From a letter dated 7 February 1972 written by the Universal House of Justice
to an individual believer)
"The portraits of the Bab and Baha'u'llah should be shown infrequently and on
very special occasions, such as a special observance connected with an event
intimately associated with the Forerunner or Founder of our Faith.
"We do not think that the regular National Convention is such a special
occasion, and we feel that the privilege of displaying these very precious
portraits should not be abused."
(From a letter dated 12 July 1973 written by the Universal House of Justice to
the National Spiritual Assembly of Panama)
Obviously, the creators of the web site had no such concerns regarding
reverence. That someone professing to be a Bahá'í would create a link to this
site on his own web site doesn't speak well for that person's profession of
devotion to the Cause of Bahá'u'lláh.
In love and brotherhood,
Roy
"Thy Name is my healing, O my God,
and remembrance of Thee is my remedy."
- Bahá'u'lláh
----------
From: Fglaysher@aol.com[SMTP:Fglaysher@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 11:09 AM
To: TOSGeneral@aol.com
Cc: TOSBoards1@aol.com; fglaysher@hotmail.com
Subject: TOS Bahai Forums/Message Boards/For Non-Bahais
This person is also intimating that I'm a covenant breaker
and therefore a heretic. As a Bahai in good standing for
more than 23 years, I find this insulting and request that
you place a TOS on his account.
Subject: Re: PS: Fred on being a Bahá'í
Date: 3/3/1999 3:23 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:Bennachti">Bennachti</A>
Message-id: <19990303152323.15538.00002757@ng96.aol.com>
<< That someone professing to be a Bahá'í would create a link to this site on
his own web site doesn't speak well for that person's profession of devotion
to the Cause of Bahá'u'lláh. >>
Roy,
Of course there is a big difference between being a Baha'i, and being "a
member of the Baha'i Faith". The person who you quoted just said he is "a
member". 'Abdu'l-Baha was clear about what the qualities of a true Baha'i
are.
True Baha'is believe in peace and unity, love, harmony, friendliness and
fellowship with their fellow believers and humankind in general. They also
engage themselves in service to humankind. The absence of those qualities
shows a lack of Baha'i spirit, which is central to our Faith.
No matter how much some people offer their love and friendship, some others
insist on eyeing it with suspicion and hatred. That is not the Baha'i way.
So be it. To them their religion, and to us, our religion.
Zaynab
<A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/rbcfbenna/aolchats.html">AOL Bahá'í Chats
</A>
A website with resources for
learning about the Bahá'í Faith
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/bennachti/bahai.htm">Camphor Fountain</A>
Bahá'í Faith Information
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To: Frederick Glaysher
Subject: Re: false subscriptions to onelist.com
Hi Could you email us a copy of the messages you have been receiving?
Thanks,
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>
> This morning I found 475 messages in my inbox
> mainly from several onelist.com maling lists. I
> realize you have policies against this and don't
> blame your service. I would appreciate your help
> in unsubscribing my email from all of your lists or
> determining what false email I've been entered as
> or whatever you need to do to stop the bombardment.
> I've included three sample headers and messages.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Frederick Glaysher
> fglaysher@hotmail.com
>
>
>
> Someone has subscribed me to
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> Sarah I love the poems you sent ..here is one you may like...
>
> The troubles outside seem so far away.
> The fighting of wars, making a world decay.
> But here in my private little world,
> I feel safe and secure, like a little girl.
>
> But in my private retreat it's great.
> So different from the world outside, a world full of hate.
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>
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From: Frederick Glaysher[SMTP:fglaysher@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 5:44 PM
To: abuse@usa.net
Subject: testcase2@usa.net spammer
Dear abuse@usa.net
319 more messages this afternoon:
Someone has been using an account at testcase2@usa.net
for nearly a month now to bombard my fglaysher@hotmail.com
account with false subscriptions to listservs. Two listserv
adminstrators at Indiana.edu have helped a lot to figure out
where it's coming from and I include their messages below
along with the header and message of one piece of mailing
showing testcase2@usa.net in the FROM.
If you could turn off that account completely it would really help.
I also ask you to identify to me who the person is behind the spam
so that I might be able to do something about it. They've begun
a second wave of attacks just yesterday and today from lists
at www.onelist.com whom I've notified but seem to still be
passing many of the messages, though not all, through the
testcase2@usa.net address. The last message here shows
that address again.
I had 475 messages in my inbox this morning most from
this account testcase2@usa.net and another 319 this
afternoon!!
Thanks in advance for anything you can do to stop
this.
Desperately in need of your help,
Frederick Glaysher
fglaysher@hotmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: LISTSERV Administrator <lstadmin@indiana.edu>
To: Frederick Glaysher <fglaysher@hotmail.com>
Cc: List Administrator <list-admin@indiana.edu>; stephenl@indiana.edu
<stephenl@indiana.edu>
Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: false listserv subscription
>Frederick and Larry,
>
>Do you anything about the subscription testcase2@usa.net? If I'm
>reading the headers right it looks like the message sent to Frederick
>came from that address.
>
>Larry -- if you want to test this you could set testcase2 to nomail and
>we could see if that stops the flow of mail to Frederick.
>
>Peg Bassett
>UITS Messaging Team
>
>On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Frederick Glaysher wrote:
>
>> Sorry it's taken me a week or so to reply. I'm still receiving
>> all the messages posted to your listservs. I'm going to try
>> to attach them and insert them in here to give you the
>> complete headers in one way or another.
>>
>> I really appreciate your help. My account is completely
>> overwhelmed by all this junk mail and takes several
>> minutes to download the few legitimate messages.
>>
>> Frederick Glaysher
>> fglaysher@hotmail.com
>>
>>
>> >From testcase2@USA.NET Mon Feb 22 08:25:12 1999
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Gary,
The only method that works is to rename (or mark as hidden, or delete) all
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Year 200
Readiness Disclosure Statement
Re: Testing of Biomedical Equipment by Users.
If you are concerned about the voiding a system warranty by doing your
testing, it infers you are talking about a relatively new system, in
which case such testing ought to have been provided for in the contract.
We at Catholic Healthcare West have decided not to rely merely on
statements from the vendor with respect to mission critical systems.
All mission critical systems are being tested, including all interfaces.
For newly installed systems, we include such right to test in the
contract, and to test as per our scripts. For older systems, we obtain
not merely a Y2K compliance statement, but all test scripts and results
thereof. We also seek copies from the vendor of any third party
verification of such testing. And then we test the application
ourselves.
You should note that many public Y2K Statements have the same caption as
I have above, that is, they are given pursuant to the Federal Year 2000
Information and Readiness Disclosure Act that such statement cannot be
used against the issuer in any legal action, with certain exceptions.
Therefore, often the public Y2K Statement by a vendor are no more than a
heads up, leaving you to decide whether you want to act on it or not.
Where there are patient lives at risk, due diligence warrants that you
treat such statements as informational only; nothing more.
I have not heard that the FDA is advising hospitals to the contrary.
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appropriate regulation is passed, their advice is but circumstantial
evidence at best on what the standard for due diligence should be.
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Debra --
I recently gave a speech to a medical society on Y2K issues that
included a
discussion about the status of biomedical devices. Research for the
presentation clearly indicated that there are conflicting opinions about
whether reliance on a vendor's claim of Y2K compliance is adequate, or
whether the equipment should be tested independently by an experienced
engineer. Hospitals have been cautious about relying on vendor
certification, especially when the devices are critical to the welfare
of
patients. A New Zealand hospital reported that it had tested a number
of
pieces of one type of medical equipment and found that half were not Y2K
compliant. This alarmed the hospital since the vendor had certified
that
the equipment was Y2K compliant. Some hopitals maintain that it is not
only
necessary to self test a particular device, but every single sample--a
tedious and expensive process. I can supply the citations for the
above,
which do not represent formal medical studies but rather observations
from
medical practitioners. I would be interested in listserv opinion on
what
constitutes due deligence in this matter.
Regards,
Louise
>I represent a health-care provider which uses sophisticated biomedical
>equipment. The company's inside biomedical administrators would like
to be
>able to rely on the public y2k compliance statements issued by the
>equipment vendors to the FDA, and are hesitant to conduct their own
testing
>because, they say, (i) the FDA recommends (prohibits?) against user
>testing, and (ii) the vendor warranties may be nullified if the user
>"tampers" with the software. Does anyone have any opinions on these
>issues, or any authority in support of or against this position? Is it
>reasonable for an end-user to rely on vendor statments of compliance,
or
>should a user (who, of course, has less technical expertise than the
vendor
>concerning its particular piece of equipment) have to test on its own
the
>equipment supplied by a multitude of vendors? The concerns are
two-fold:
> (i) contractual rights of the company against the vendor if it turns
out
>that the equipment is non-compliant; and (ii) potential liability of
the
>company to patients using any equipment which malfunctions.
>
>Your thoughts and suggestions are appreciated.
>Debra Glazer, Esq.
>Irvine, CA 92612
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Hi,
I was wondering why DLLHOST.EXE remains active after local or remote
instatiation of a Java COM object.
After running Rational Purify on my application, I found two stubborn
interface pointer leaks:
[W] ILK: COM Interface leak from interface pointer 0x77bc9198, allocated in
CoGetMalloc
Leak from IMalloc interface with reference count of 2 (0x77bc9198)
Allocation location
CoGetMalloc+0xc [C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\ole32.dll
ip=0x67b2175c]
VariantTimeToSystemTime+0x147e [C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\oleaut32.dll
ip=0x6534bcaf]
SysAllocStringLen+0x77 [C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\oleaut32.dll
ip=0x653414be]
SysAllocString+0xb [C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\OLEAUT32.dll
ip=0x553418c0]
execute_java_constructorV+0x3d6f [C:\WINNT\System32\msjava.dll
ip=0x7c03b5bd]
execute_java_constructorV+0x37b4 [C:\WINNT\System32\msjava.dll
ip=0x7c03b002]
execute_java_constructorV+0x3a94 [C:\WINNT\System32\msjava.dll
ip=0x7c03b2e2]
JITresolveInterface+0x421f [C:\WINNT\System32\msjava.dll
ip=0x7c010686]
JITresolveInterface+0x40a3 [C:\WINNT\System32\msjava.dll
ip=0x7c01050a]
JITresolveInterface+0x902 [C:\WINNT\System32\msjava.dll
ip=0x7c00cd69]
[W] ILK: COM Interface leak from interface pointer 0x7c0da8f8, allocated in
CoGetClassObject
Leak from IClassFactory interface with reference count of 1
(0x7c0da8f8)
Allocation location
CoGetClassObject+0xc [C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\ole32.dll
ip=0x67b2178f]
???
[C:\Project\MIP\Java\PMSJClient_General\PMSJClient.exe ip=0x00401682]
???
[C:\Project\MIP\Java\PMSJClient_General\PMSJClient.exe ip=0x0040f059]
Coul |